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mailexile67
But...Is it so difficult after 13 years making a 12 tunes decent record?!Oh, my God!!
By Stones standards, yes, it is very hard to do it.
ABB was a generic rock album with not more than 2 or 3 GREAT songs, the rest is generic rock stuff, lots of folks here are very happy with that kind of stuff, but the band will not make an album like that again, even Keith was not very happy with it.
Back on the original question, they didn't release 12 great songs on single album, well since Exile actually.
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mailexile67
But...Is it so difficult after 13 years making a 12 tunes decent record?!Oh, my God!!
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mailexile67
But...Is it so difficult after 13 years making a 12 tunes decent record?!Oh, my God!!
By Stones standards, yes, it is very hard to do it.
ABB was a generic rock album with not more than 2 or 3 GREAT songs, the rest is generic rock stuff, lots of folks here are very happy with that kind of stuff, but the band will not make an album like that again, even Keith was not very happy with it.
Back on the original question, they didn't release 12 great songs on single album, well since Exile actually.
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matxil
The best albums of the Stones (with the exception of Tattoo You) were made:
1. With all the Stones working very hard full-time on it
2. Mick and Keith being inspired by the same influences
3. Mick and Keith still growing artistically and emotionally
4. A lot of interesting rock-guitar and/or afro-american based and/or avant-garde music going around at the same time, inspiring them
Tattoo You was made thanks to an extremely talented engineer who knew what to do with the leftovers from those periods.
Right now:
1. The Stones are not working 24/7 on the album
2. Mick and Keith clearly are inspired by different things
3. After your 40's you have seen it all, thought it all, done it all
4. In the past 40 years anything interesting or new has happened in rap, electronic music or occasionally (rarely) post-punk derivatives. Rock-guitar music is dead (I just read today that the Gibson company has gone broke)
Any chances of the Stones coming up with something remotely like their best work is like believing in unicorns.
So, they can do one of the following:
1. Make a Stones album anyway. It's easy to come-up with a few open-G tuned I-IV "feel your tight hot lips" rockers plus 2 country ballads, one reggae cover and a song from Keith in a jazzy night-club after closing time
2. Mick doing something he's truely inspired by and maybe impress some people
3. Keith doing the things he's truely inspired by and very likely make me very happy
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matxil
The best albums of the Stones (with the exception of Tattoo You) were made:
1. With all the Stones working very hard full-time on it
2. Mick and Keith being inspired by the same influences
3. Mick and Keith still growing artistically and emotionally
4. A lot of interesting rock-guitar and/or afro-american based and/or avant-garde music going around at the same time, inspiring them
Tattoo You was made thanks to an extremely talented engineer who knew what to do with the leftovers from those periods.
Right now:
1. The Stones are not working 24/7 on the album
2. Mick and Keith clearly are inspired by different things
3. After your 40's you have seen it all, thought it all, done it all
4. In the past 40 years anything interesting or new has happened in rap, electronic music or occasionally (rarely) post-punk derivatives. Rock-guitar music is dead (I just read today that the Gibson company has gone broke)
Any chances of the Stones coming up with something remotely like their best work is like believing in unicorns.
So, they can do one of the following:
1. Make a Stones album anyway. It's easy to come-up with a few open-G tuned I-IV "feel your tight hot lips" rockers plus 2 country ballads, one reggae cover and a song from Keith in a jazzy night-club after closing time
2. Mick doing something he's truely inspired by and maybe impress some people
3. Keith doing the things he's truely inspired by and very likely make me very happy
Very good points, but Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed might have been exceptions, though - as Brian clearly didn't work «hard, full time». Keith took the lead on those albums. He might not have been capable to do that after those albums because of drugs etc?
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KRiffhard
"We had a great week last week (in the studio). We went in and did about ten or twelve things that didn't exist until that moment..."
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rev20
Perhaps not surprisingly I have thoughts that differ from what has
been presented so far on this thread...
1) We've already gotten a mind-blowingly great latter-day Stones album,
Blue & Lonesome. It is great in two ways. In terms of sales (in this
day and age) and in terms having Mick and Keith believing fully in
every track for the first time since Exile.
2) The fact that their hardcore fans do not have the same love for
Blue & Lonesome that Mick and Keith do speaks volumes as to why
they have not released the album-plus of new material they already have
in the can. And I'm talking new material that Mick and Keith both
believe in fully. Not the decades-old formula of "one-half of the
tracks both love and one-half either one or neither do, but too bad
because its time to put out a new album". (the only evidence I have
for their secret success in the studio is how happy Keith seems generally
and how willing Mick is to spend so much of his precious time there)
3) So why haven't they released it? Have you watched U2 get slaughtered
and diminish themselves by trying to put out all-new albums? What I
mean is, no matter how good the stuff that they have in the can is,
because of the tenor of the times, it will not get a fair hearing.
Not by the critics, not by the market, and not by even their hardcore
fans. It is literally impossible for a new rock album to significantly
impact the culture at this point in time. As a heritage rock band,
the only thing you are allowed to do currently is to shoot yourself
in the foot.
4) So here are the possibilities: a) The tenor of the times changes and
suddenly a lot of people actually realize they need a new Stones album
(Good luck on that happening). b) They wait to release their great new stuff
until the Rolling Stones are over, when everybody's ears will magically
attune to what they didn't realize they would miss so much. In other
words, when the Stones end, their new record(s) will absolutely smash.
Sad but true. c) In the meantime, if we're very lucky we will get
Lonesome & Blue or some other searingly brilliant sequel comprised
once again of old rootsy relatively unknown cover songs that the Stones
have magically transformed into a powerful contemporary statement.
Choose your poison.
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rev20
I agree with Ian and Wupperstein, that Bigger Bang is a really good
album.* And the Stones could have literally put out an album that good
or better every three years since. But it would have as I said hurt their
career to do so. So they didn't. And won't. Until the culture changes
and the release of new Jagger/Richards material is a plus for their
career. Or their legacy. They're not dopes.
*If you want maybe the best example of the cultural dissonance that the
Stones have to deal with, just look at the Streets of Love video
6.3 million views, 21 thousand thumbs up and only 480 thumbs down,
with not a few commenters saying it is their favorite Stones song of all
it is this video that converted me into a big fan of the song. its quite touching
video: [www.youtube.com]
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DandelionPowderman
Is that true, Revvy?
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rev20
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It is literally impossible for a new rock album to significantly
impact the culture at this point in time.
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Hairball
ABB is their worst album imo.
I can listen to Rain Fall Down occasionally (because my wife really likes it), and maybe Laugh I Nearly Died maybe once every other year, but that's about it.
The one pretty darn good song from those sessions didn't even make it to the album - Under the Radar...what were they thinking by leaving it off?
Instead we get Streets of Love? Or Keith's Infamy which is his lamest song ever? Pshh....
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DandelionPowderman
Is that true, Revvy?
it is my best judgement yes, based on everything they've said, and the looks
in their eyes, that both Mick and Keith are very happy with everything
about Blue & Lonesome, including its reception by the public
It is also my distinct impression that hardcore internet fans vastly underrate
this achievement. And I include myself in that category, it was a whole year
before my ears opened up to its brilliance
i had given it a strong positive review upon its release but i kinda got
caught up in the group-think, that is, "how good could it be? its only
a covers album. it only took three days (which i highly doubt now)"
I was so overwhelmed by the album once my ears opened fully to it, that
I wrote on Shidoobee "the Blue & Lonesome manifesto: 5th best stones album
ever." one of my essays.
and i still believe that, in terms of quality. in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
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DandelionPowderman
Is that true, Revvy?
it is my best judgement yes, based on everything they've said, and the looks
in their eyes, that both Mick and Keith are very happy with everything
about Blue & Lonesome, including its reception by the public
It is also my distinct impression that hardcore internet fans vastly underrate
this achievement. And I include myself in that category, it was a whole year
before my ears opened up to its brilliance
i had given it a strong positive review upon its release but i kinda got
caught up in the group-think, that is, "how good could it be? its only
a covers album. it only took three days (which i highly doubt now)"
I was so overwhelmed by the album once my ears opened fully to it, that
I wrote on Shidoobee "the Blue & Lonesome manifesto: 5th best stones album
ever." one of my essays.
and i still believe that, in terms of quality. in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
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rev20
in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
If B&L lead your thoughts away from R, be it just for a moment, I'd say «mission accomplished»
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rev20
in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
If B&L lead your thoughts away from R, be it just for a moment, I'd say «mission accomplished»
Can you believe this? I just mention her name and she immediately tweets
her new interview where it says that her upcoming album will be all roots.
All reggae and dancehall.
Bitch does that and she'll have me in a headlock again...
C'mon Stones, hurry up with that next record. Save me!