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Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Maindefender ()
Date: September 21, 2016 21:37

I expect surprises, especially given the event(s). 4 dates, they will pour it out….

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Send It To me ()
Date: September 21, 2016 22:22

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I suspect it takes a lot of effort for them to rehearse things they haven't played in ages, let alone tunes they have never done live. If they were embarking on a major tour, I might expect them to dig something up, but for Vegas and CA, 11 years since the last album, I don't imagine their sets will include any surprises at all. I suspect it will be a standard slog through the hits, unless they pull out some of the blues numbers from the upcoming 2017 release, which I suppose is possible. It will still be fun to witness-- as every Stones show usually is, in my opinion-- but I wouldn't bank on any exciting deep cuts.

McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: September 21, 2016 22:28

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Send It To me ()
Date: September 21, 2016 22:36

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.

True and true. His shows are 2.5 hours though.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Moonshine ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:05

Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: RipThisBone ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:07

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.

True and true. His shows are 2.5 hours though.

Watching/hearing Paul sing these days hurts. Sorry to say.... ooooooooooooooooh (classic Beatle ending on a high vocal).

Paul could join The Rolling Stones for I Wanna Be Your Man!!! Great opener in O2 London 2012. I was there!

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: HonkeyTonkFlash ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:08

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

I was thrilled to hear them do that at Shea Stadium in 1989. I doubt they'll ever do it again as "One Hit" was not a "Big Hit."

"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:08

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.

True and true. His shows are 2.5 hours though.

And he doesn't run around, and his band-mates are younger.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Moonshine ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:13

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

I was thrilled to hear them do that at Shea Stadium in 1989. I doubt they'll ever do it again as "One Hit" was not a "Big Hit."

Lucky you, one it's very few live outings?

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: HonkeyTonkFlash ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:16

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

I was thrilled to hear them do that at Shea Stadium in 1989. I doubt they'll ever do it again as "One Hit" was not a "Big Hit."

Lucky you, one it's very few live outings?

I'd have to check my stats but I think they pretty much alternated between doing One Hit or Harlem Shuffle at various shows. Not sure how many times they did either one. One token nod to Dirty Work on the Steel Wheels Tour. Can't remember if they played anything else from that album; don't think so.

"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:17

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.

True and true. His shows are 2.5 hours though.

Longer than that! He usually does 2hrs 45 minutes and 38/39 songs. His voice is obviously past its best but nowhere near as bad as people say. With careful choice of songs he's fine. He puts on an excellent show and puts smiles on faces. His band are excellent. He also does a festival format show, reducing that to 30/31 songs and 2hrs 15 minutes. I've a feeling that's what he'll do for Desert Trip.

There is no doubt however, that Mick's voice is in far better shape and he's only a year younger than Paul.



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Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Moonshine ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:22

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

I was thrilled to hear them do that at Shea Stadium in 1989. I doubt they'll ever do it again as "One Hit" was not a "Big Hit."

Lucky you, one it's very few live outings?

I'd have to check my stats but I think they pretty much alternated between doing One Hit or Harlem Shuffle at various shows. Not sure how many times they did either one. One token nod to Dirty Work on the Steel Wheels Tour. Can't remember if they played anything else from that album; don't think so.

Think you're right, though surprised Keith hasn't wheeled out Sleep Tonight

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: September 21, 2016 23:22

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As pointed out, it does seem like a long rehersal time for only four shows. Also
they have an entire week between the two desert trip shows - I assume they would
rehearse or maybe work more on the new album during that week. However, I read Chuck is busy with David Gilmore until October 1st or so.

Possibly they would play a club show mid week as additional rehersal for the
last three shows?

Hope they will add a few tunes rarly or never played as mentioned above. Also
somthing from the new Blues album.

Really ? When was the last time they rehearsed without Chuck ? Having had the good fortune of seeing them rehearse in 2012 it's hard to imagine them doing it without Chuck as they were all looking towards him (and his little book) for cues). Maybe it's a (good) sign they'll be jamming more and maybe fleshing out some "new" songs ? One can always hope...

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Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: TheGreek ()
Date: September 22, 2016 13:42

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.
Are you kidding me ? Have you even ever been to a live Paul show recently because i have and his voice is as strong and fine as ever . Paul kicks major butt live on stage and has variety in his setlist with really DEEP cuts and has one of the best bands in the industry .Maybe try doing a little bit of homework first before making less than accurate statements .

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Date: September 22, 2016 13:48

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As pointed out, it does seem like a long rehersal time for only four shows. Also
they have an entire week between the two desert trip shows - I assume they would
rehearse or maybe work more on the new album during that week. However, I read Chuck is busy with David Gilmore until October 1st or so.

Possibly they would play a club show mid week as additional rehersal for the
last three shows?

Hope they will add a few tunes rarly or never played as mentioned above. Also
somthing from the new Blues album.

Really ? When was the last time they rehearsed without Chuck ? Having had the good fortune of seeing them rehearse in 2012 it's hard to imagine them doing it without Chuck as they were all looking towards him (and his little book) for cues). Maybe it's a (good) sign they'll be jamming more and maybe fleshing out some "new" songs ? One can always hope...

November 2011?

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: September 22, 2016 14:57

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As pointed out, it does seem like a long rehersal time for only four shows. Also
they have an entire week between the two desert trip shows - I assume they would
rehearse or maybe work more on the new album during that week. However, I read Chuck is busy with David Gilmore until October 1st or so.

Possibly they would play a club show mid week as additional rehersal for the
last three shows?

Hope they will add a few tunes rarly or never played as mentioned above. Also
somthing from the new Blues album.

Really ? When was the last time they rehearsed without Chuck ? Having had the good fortune of seeing them rehearse in 2012 it's hard to imagine them doing it without Chuck as they were all looking towards him (and his little book) for cues). Maybe it's a (good) sign they'll be jamming more and maybe fleshing out some "new" songs ? One can always hope...

November December 2011?

[www.theguardian.com] : "We're just going to play a little together," Richards told Rolling Stone magazine. "You don't necessarily want to rehearse or write anything"

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Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: TheBlockbuster ()
Date: September 22, 2016 16:08

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

One Hit was a big mess when they tried to play it in 1989, now 27 years later everyone but Ronnie is very far away from their peak in terms of musical ability.

It will probably sound like an even bigger sloppy mess if they play it this year.

Same with many other lesser known songs in their catalogue.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: RoughJusticeOnYa ()
Date: September 22, 2016 16:10

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.
Are you kidding me ? Have you even ever been to a live Paul show recently because i have and his voice is as strong and fine as ever . Paul kicks major butt live on stage and has variety in his setlist with really DEEP cuts and has one of the best bands in the industry .Maybe try doing a little bit of homework first before making less than accurate statements .

...The part about the length of the show was a question, not a statement -
the part about the voice, though, was.
Now I've heard Macca sing recently, and I tend to agree with HMS: his voice has not much to rave about, anymore.
Still, it 's always possible that I caught him on the odd 'off-day'...

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: TheGreek ()
Date: September 22, 2016 16:27

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.
Are you kidding me ? Have you even ever been to a live Paul show recently because i have and his voice is as strong and fine as ever . Paul kicks major butt live on stage and has variety in his setlist with really DEEP cuts and has one of the best bands in the industry .Maybe try doing a little bit of homework first before making less than accurate statements .

...The part about the length of the show was a question, not a statement -
the part about the voice, though, was.
Now I've heard Macca sing recently, and I tend to agree with HMS: his voice has not much to rave about, anymore.
Still, it 's always possible that I caught him on the odd 'off-day'...
Just to be clear are you speaking for HMS?

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Date: September 22, 2016 17:18

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As pointed out, it does seem like a long rehersal time for only four shows. Also
they have an entire week between the two desert trip shows - I assume they would
rehearse or maybe work more on the new album during that week. However, I read Chuck is busy with David Gilmore until October 1st or so.

Possibly they would play a club show mid week as additional rehersal for the
last three shows?

Hope they will add a few tunes rarly or never played as mentioned above. Also
somthing from the new Blues album.

Really ? When was the last time they rehearsed without Chuck ? Having had the good fortune of seeing them rehearse in 2012 it's hard to imagine them doing it without Chuck as they were all looking towards him (and his little book) for cues). Maybe it's a (good) sign they'll be jamming more and maybe fleshing out some "new" songs ? One can always hope...

November December 2011?

[www.theguardian.com] : "We're just going to play a little together," Richards told Rolling Stone magazine. "You don't necessarily want to rehearse or write anything"

I bet they rehearsed a bit, too, while they were at it smiling smiley

«According to a source close to the band, when the Rolling Stones convened in London in December 2011, it wasn't merely for rehearsals but, as far as Jagger was concerned, to see if Richards could still get the job done».

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: September 22, 2016 17:24

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.

He's 74. His voice is still around. What difference does it make if the song is long or short? NONE. As the same as it is with you as usual. 38 songs is 38 songs.

[www.setlist.fm]

[www.youtube.com]

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: September 22, 2016 17:32

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

I was thrilled to hear them do that at Shea Stadium in 1989. I doubt they'll ever do it again as "One Hit" was not a "Big Hit."

Lucky you, one it's very few live outings?

I'd have to check my stats but I think they pretty much alternated between doing One Hit or Harlem Shuffle at various shows. Not sure how many times they did either one. One token nod to Dirty Work on the Steel Wheels Tour. Can't remember if they played anything else from that album; don't think so.

They played One Hit the first 13 shows of the STEEL WHEELS tour and then started to drop it. It took them 12 shows to understand just how bad it was. But then they did it again around show 25 or so in Los Angeles for some reason and then the second and fourth shows at Shea Stadium. Then one more time in Oakland. They kept Harlem Shuffle in for every show of the 1989-90 shows since they were actually able to play that one and it's a good song.

They did not do anything else from their worst LP.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Date: September 22, 2016 17:38

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

One Hit was a big mess when they tried to play it in 1989, now 27 years later everyone but Ronnie is very far away from their peak in terms of musical ability.

It will probably sound like an even bigger sloppy mess if they play it this year.

Same with many other lesser known songs in their catalogue.


Same with many other more well known songs in their catalogue.

Sympathy for the Devil , Honkey Tonk Women , Miss You , Tumbling Dice , even IORR many times since 2013.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: September 22, 2016 17:43

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McCartney has been playing lots of deep cuts, but he also has a significantly longer show than the Stones

Are McCartney-shows really that long? He´s doing lots of songs but most of them are rather short... anyway what´s the use of a long McCartney-show, his voice is gone. Mick´s is still there.

He's 74. His voice is still around. What difference does it make if the song is long or short? NONE. As the same as it is with you as usual. 38 songs is 38 songs.

[www.setlist.fm]

[www.youtube.com]
But of course it makes a difference. If most Stones songs are 6-7 minutes long (with some 10-12 minute songs thrown in), and most McCartney songs are 2 1/2-5 minutes long, then he can clearly cram more content into the same timespan.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Date: September 22, 2016 17:44

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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track

I was thrilled to hear them do that at Shea Stadium in 1989. I doubt they'll ever do it again as "One Hit" was not a "Big Hit."

Lucky you, one it's very few live outings?

I'd have to check my stats but I think they pretty much alternated between doing One Hit or Harlem Shuffle at various shows. Not sure how many times they did either one. One token nod to Dirty Work on the Steel Wheels Tour. Can't remember if they played anything else from that album; don't think so.

They played One Hit the first 13 shows of the STEEL WHEELS tour and then started to drop it. It took them 12 shows to understand just how bad it was. But then they did it again around show 25 or so in Los Angeles for some reason and then the second and fourth shows at Shea Stadium. Then one more time in Oakland. They kept Harlem Shuffle in for every show of the 1989-90 shows since they were actually able to play that one and it's a good song.

They did not do anything else from their worst LP.

The last "One Hit" was performed at the Orange Bowl in Miami.

"Harlem Shuffle" was not played at every '89/'90 concert.

They started the tour performing both songs. When "One Hit" returned for a stretch after first being dropped,it was alternated with "Harlem Shuffle". (Shea Stadium shows, Oakland , Miami shows etc.)

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: September 22, 2016 17:46

Most of Mccartney's songs are not 2 1/2 minutes long. A few are. However, many are much longer. Hey Jude is around 8. Helter Skelter, Let Me Roll It. Lots of longer songs. He just plays a much longer. Most Stones songs are not 6 to 7 minutes long as well. A few, but not most.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: September 22, 2016 17:51

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Most of Mccartney's songs are not 2 1/2 minutes long. A few are. However, many are much longer. Hey Jude is around 8. Helter Skelter, Let Me Roll It. Lots of longer songs. He just plays a much longer. Most Stones songs are not 6 to 7 minutes long as well. A few, but not most.
Take the Cuba gig...

134 minutes. 18 songs. That averages out to 7.44 minutes per song...of course, you've got band intros, the encore dead time, in between song banter...so reduce it to 6 minutes per song.

I know McCartney plays longer than the Stones, but his songs are shorter. If each of McCartney's songs were as long as the Stones average, he'd need to play for 7.44*38 = 4.712 hours.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: September 22, 2016 17:53

I can't believe that I'm jumping into this thread to defend Paul McCartney...

BUT the guy puts on a THREE HOUR SHOW without a vocal break, ie no other band member sings a song or two or three in the middle of the set.

He plays an instrument on EVERY SINGLE SONG during those three hours - Bass, guitar, piano.

It's absurd for anyone to be critical of his performances.

A McCartney show is EVERYTHING that we all wish a Rolling Stones' show would be.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: September 22, 2016 17:56

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I can't believe that I'm jumping into this thread to defend Paul McCartney...

BUT the guy puts on a THREE HOUR SHOW without a vocal break, ie no other band member sings a song or two or three in the middle of the set.

He plays an instrument on EVERY SINGLE SONG during those three hours - Bass, guitar, piano.

It's absurd for anyone to be critical of his performances.

A McCartney show is EVERYTHING that we all wish a Rolling Stones' show would be.
I'm certainly not criticizing McCartney. I'm simply saying that his songs are shorter, on average, than Stones songs. The math bears that out.

He clearly provides more bang for the buck, no two ways about it.

Re: Rolling Stones LA Rehearsals - September 2016
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: September 22, 2016 18:00

I would be worried more about Desert Throat, for all the singers. It's especially dry this time of year in California and the dust and sand could be whipped about. Let's hope they all take precautions.

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