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keefriff99I'm certainly not criticizing McCartney. I'm simply saying that his songs are shorter, on average, than Stones songs. The math bears that out.Quote
Kurt
I can't believe that I'm jumping into this thread to defend Paul McCartney...
BUT the guy puts on a THREE HOUR SHOW without a vocal break, ie no other band member sings a song or two or three in the middle of the set.
He plays an instrument on EVERY SINGLE SONG during those three hours - Bass, guitar, piano.
It's absurd for anyone to be critical of his performances.
A McCartney show is EVERYTHING that we all wish a Rolling Stones' show would be.
He clearly provides more bang for the buck, no two ways about it.
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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track
One Hit was a big mess when they tried to play it in 1989, now 27 years later everyone but Ronnie is very far away from their peak in terms of musical ability.
It will probably sound like an even bigger sloppy mess if they play it this year.
Same with many other lesser known songs in their catalogue.
Same with many other more well known songs in their catalogue.
Sympathy for the Devil , Honkey Tonk Women , Miss You , Tumbling Dice , even IORR many times since 2013.
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Moonshine
Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track
One Hit was a big mess when they tried to play it in 1989, now 27 years later everyone but Ronnie is very far away from their peak in terms of musical ability.
It will probably sound like an even bigger sloppy mess if they play it this year.
Same with many other lesser known songs in their catalogue.
Same with many other more well known songs in their catalogue.
Sympathy for the Devil , Honkey Tonk Women , Miss You , Tumbling Dice , even IORR many times since 2013.
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Kurt
I can't believe that I'm jumping into this thread to defend Paul McCartney...
BUT the guy puts on a THREE HOUR SHOW without a vocal break, ie no other band member sings a song or two or three in the middle of the set.
He plays an instrument on EVERY SINGLE SONG during those three hours - Bass, guitar, piano.
It's absurd for anyone to be critical of his performances.
A McCartney show is EVERYTHING that we all wish a Rolling Stones' show would be.
So true and you get value and real bang for your buck/euro/yen/pound and so on.I f anyone has any doughts i am a Stones fan thru and thru !Quote
Kurt
I can't believe that I'm jumping into this thread to defend Paul McCartney...
BUT the guy puts on a THREE HOUR SHOW without a vocal break, ie no other band member sings a song or two or three in the middle of the set.
He plays an instrument on EVERY SINGLE SONG during those three hours - Bass, guitar, piano.
It's absurd for anyone to be critical of his performances.
A McCartney show is EVERYTHING that we all wish a Rolling Stones' show would be.
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Moonshine
Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track
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Kurt
I can't believe that I'm jumping into this thread to defend Paul McCartney...
BUT the guy puts on a THREE HOUR SHOW without a vocal break, ie no other band member sings a song or two or three in the middle of the set.
He plays an instrument on EVERY SINGLE SONG during those three hours - Bass, guitar, piano.
It's absurd for anyone to be critical of his performances.
A McCartney show is EVERYTHING that we all wish a Rolling Stones' show would be.
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rocknola
isn"t this a thread about rehearsals????
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Midnight Toker
Stones need to take an idea from Springsteen's set lists.
Too predictable for years not catering to their die hard fan base.
Only this band can get away playing pretty much the same set list
for plus 20 years.
Please do not play "Miss You" again. Try "Star Star", it may be
a nice alternative.
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Stones need to take an idea from Springsteen's set lists.
Too predictable for years not catering to their die hard fan base.
Only this band can get away playing pretty much the same set list
for plus 20 years.
Please do not play "Miss You" again. Try "Star Star", it may be
a nice alternative.
Nice idea but the thought of 70-something men singing about a "StarF%#&er" is just a little weird - as was Keith attempting to revive T&A in 2006.
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bv is there me thinks
Memory Motel, Sway, Ruby Tuesday....
Rehearsals started sept. 20 it seems.
Good night. Sleep tight.
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bv is there me thinks
Memory Motel, Sway, Ruby Tuesday....
Rehearsals started sept. 20 it seems.
Good night. Sleep tight.
Really? did you hear ?
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Midnight Toker
Stones need to take an idea from Springsteen's set lists.
Too predictable for years not catering to their die hard fan base.
Only this band can get away playing pretty much the same set list
for plus 20 years.
Please do not play "Miss You" again. Try "Star Star", it may be
a nice alternative.
Nice idea but the thought of 70-something men singing about a "StarF%#&er" is just a little weird - as was Keith attempting to revive T&A in 2006.
As is 73 yr. old Mick singing "Start Me Up" ...
"If you start me up I'll never stop
I've been running hot
You got me ticking gonna blow my top..."
Cringworthy...time to put that old warhorse out to pasture.
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HonkeyTonkFlash
I personally felt a bit embarrassed for Keith, croaking about "tits and ass" in 2006; especially with my 10 & 8 year old sons in attendance.
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Moonshine
Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track
One Hit was a big mess when they tried to play it in 1989, now 27 years later everyone but Ronnie is very far away from their peak in terms of musical ability.
It will probably sound like an even bigger sloppy mess if they play it this year.
Same with many other lesser known songs in their catalogue.
Same with many other more well known songs in their catalogue.
Sympathy for the Devil , Honkey Tonk Women , Miss You , Tumbling Dice , even IORR many times since 2013.
Sadly, you are right. There are some examples of trainwreck warhorses the last few years. For instance Honky Tonk Women in Milwaukee 2015 became a disaster when Keith played the intro out of time with Chuck's cowbell. These kind of incidents will probably become more usual for every new tour.
The only way for them to prevent trainwrecks is to properly rehearse for a long time before hitting the stage. Which is what I hope they're doing right now.
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HonkeyTonkFlash
I personally felt a bit embarrassed for Keith, croaking about "tits and ass" in 2006; especially with my 10 & 8 year old sons in attendance.
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I personally felt a bit embarrassed for Keith, croaking about "tits and ass" in 2006; especially with my 10 & 8 year old sons in attendance.
Low labido?
My point - and I know it's just my personal opinion - is that it seemed perfectly natural for the Stones to do very sexual songs as young men in their prime. Doing those same songs in their old age just seems forced and awkward, not to mention that musically, Little T&A was pathetic in 2006....Keith hardly playing his guitar, the horns....Just my opinion...kind if like how the inflatable phallus was funny in 1975 but it would seem out of place with a bunch of 70 year olds on stage.
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
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that it seemed perfectly natural for the Stones to do very sexual songs as young men in their prime. Doing those same songs in their old age just seems forced and awkward
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that it seemed perfectly natural for the Stones to do very sexual songs as young men in their prime. Doing those same songs in their old age just seems forced and awkward
Hmm... dont know. After all Ronnie became Dad of twins not so long ago and Mick is going to be a Dad again... so they aren´t like usual 70+ year old. It seems that their candles are still burning... Okay, Ron isn´t 70 yet.
But I know what you mean. It´s only that Mick never stopped behaving like a 25-years old womanizer. So why shouldn´t he sing those songs anymore.
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that it seemed perfectly natural for the Stones to do very sexual songs as young men in their prime. Doing those same songs in their old age just seems forced and awkward
Hmm... dont know. After all Ronnie became Dad of twins not so long ago and Mick is going to be a Dad again... so they aren´t like usual 70+ year old. It seems that their candles are still burning... Okay, Ron isn´t 70 yet.
But I know what you mean. It´s only that Mick never stopped behaving like a 25-years old womanizer. So why shouldn´t he sing those songs anymore.
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Would love to hear them do One Hit, always loved that track
I was thrilled to hear them do that at Shea Stadium in 1989. I doubt they'll ever do it again as "One Hit" was not a "Big Hit."
Lucky you, one it's very few live outings?
I'd have to check my stats but I think they pretty much alternated between doing One Hit or Harlem Shuffle at various shows. Not sure how many times they did either one. One token nod to Dirty Work on the Steel Wheels Tour. Can't remember if they played anything else from that album; don't think so.
They played One Hit the first 13 shows of the STEEL WHEELS tour and then started to drop it. It took them 12 shows to understand just how bad it was. But then they did it again around show 25 or so in Los Angeles for some reason and then the second and fourth shows at Shea Stadium. Then one more time in Oakland. They kept Harlem Shuffle in for every show of the 1989-90 shows since they were actually able to play that one and it's a good song.
They did not do anything else from their worst LP.
The last "One Hit" was performed at the Orange Bowl in Miami.
"Harlem Shuffle" was not played at every '89/'90 concert.
They started the tour performing both songs. When "One Hit" returned for a stretch after first being dropped,it was alternated with "Harlem Shuffle". (Shea Stadium shows, Oakland , Miami shows etc.)
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whitem8
Most of Mccartney's songs are not 2 1/2 minutes long. A few are. However, many are much longer. Hey Jude is around 8. Helter Skelter, Let Me Roll It. Lots of longer songs. He just plays a much longer. Most Stones songs are not 6 to 7 minutes long as well. A few, but not most.
134 minutes. 18 songs. That averages out to 7.44 minutes per song...of course, you've got band intros, the encore dead time, in between song banter...so reduce it to 6 minutes per song.
I know McCartney plays longer than the Stones, but his songs are shorter. If each of McCartney's songs were as long as the Stones average, he'd need to play for 7.44*38 = 4.712 hours.