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I don't think they "pretend" to be the Stones at all. They're musicians, not actors.
I'd say you sadly and accidentally hit the nail on the head right there...
They are actors. People pay big money to see them in concert and the expectation is for them to act out their roles on stage.
All FOUR of them.
It's become a gigantic and massive Broadway-type production complete with costumes, cues and a program.
Shit. The thought of these upcoming four over-priced shows, and this thread, are utterly depressing to me.
I know you could be right but I haven't become quite that jaded yet. As I've said before, they live in such a private and insulated world that we may not know the realities of the situation for a very long time, if ever.
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lem motlow
it's called deductive reasoning-
and they don't give academy awards out for smiling,nodding and putting your hand on someones shoulder.
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
richards-"we're brothers,brothers fight"
jagger-"keith says that because he's an only child,i have my own brother who i'm very close to"-ouch
if people read more about jagger they'd see it's not cool and it never was cool with him.he doesn't have "rhino skin" that's keiths fantasy way of pretending what he did was ok.
it's in bill germans book,it's in rich cohens book and it's in a thousand interviews.they are there to get P.A.I.D.with the least amount of time together as possible-no writing together,no spending hours going through different or new songs just run through the obvious ones and collect the check.
it's not something new,the eagles did it,aerosmith does it,alot of bands do.you can't be snarling at someone every minute or you'd never get anything done but i think cohen even says it in his book"they're acting" to think they're old buddies out having a good time..c'mon man,get real.
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lem motlow
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
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lem motlow
it's called deductive reasoning-
and they don't give academy awards out for smiling,nodding and putting your hand on someones shoulder.
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
richards-"we're brothers,brothers fight"
jagger-"keith says that because he's an only child,i have my own brother who i'm very close to"-ouch
if people read more about jagger they'd see it's not cool and it never was cool with him.he doesn't have "rhino skin" that's keiths fantasy way of pretending what he did was ok.
it's in bill germans book,it's in rich cohens book and it's in a thousand interviews.they are there to get P.A.I.D.with the least amount of time together as possible-no writing together,no spending hours going through different or new songs just run through the obvious ones and collect the check.
it's not something new,the eagles did it,aerosmith does it,alot of bands do.you can't be snarling at someone every minute or you'd never get anything done but i think cohen even says it in his book"they're acting" to think they're old buddies out having a good time..c'mon man,get real.
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lem motlow
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
True enough, and it goes both ways. One of the saddest things in Keith's book was him remembering all the times he'd heard, 'Shut up, Keith,' when making suggestions or comments. Partly his fault, him being too out of it to put up a fight, but when he got married/got clean/got therapy (?) around 1980 it probably hit him pretty hard realizing the man he thought was his friend didn't really care about him.
I suspect Jagger tried to replace him in the B&B auditions ... maybe the reason Richards famously wouldn't show up to jam with Jeff Beck and why he engineered things to get Ronnie in the band.
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lem motlow
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
True enough, and it goes both ways. One of the saddest things in Keith's book was him remembering all the times he'd heard, 'Shut up, Keith,' when making suggestions or comments. Partly his fault, him being too out of it to put up a fight, but when he got married/got clean/got therapy (?) around 1980 it probably hit him pretty hard realizing the man he thought was his friend didn't really care about him.
I suspect Jagger tried to replace him in the B&B auditions ... maybe the reason Richards famously wouldn't up to jam with Jeff Beck and why he engineered things to get Ronnie in the band.
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lem motlow
it's called deductive reasoning-
and they don't give academy awards out for smiling,nodding and putting your hand on someones shoulder.
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
richards-"we're brothers,brothers fight"
jagger-"keith says that because he's an only child,i have my own brother who i'm very close to"-ouch
if people read more about jagger they'd see it's not cool and it never was cool with him.he doesn't have "rhino skin" that's keiths fantasy way of pretending what he did was ok.
it's in bill germans book,it's in rich cohens book and it's in a thousand interviews.they are there to get P.A.I.D.with the least amount of time together as possible-no writing together,no spending hours going through different or new songs just run through the obvious ones and collect the check.
it's not something new,the eagles did it,aerosmith does it,alot of bands do.you can't be snarling at someone every minute or you'd never get anything done but i think cohen even says it in his book"they're acting" to think they're old buddies out having a good time..c'mon man,get real.
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lem motlow
it's called deductive reasoning-
and they don't give academy awards out for smiling,nodding and putting your hand on someones shoulder.
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
richards-"we're brothers,brothers fight"
jagger-"keith says that because he's an only child,i have my own brother who i'm very close to"-ouch
if people read more about jagger they'd see it's not cool and it never was cool with him.he doesn't have "rhino skin" that's keiths fantasy way of pretending what he did was ok.
it's in bill germans book,it's in rich cohens book and it's in a thousand interviews.they are there to get P.A.I.D.with the least amount of time together as possible-no writing together,no spending hours going through different or new songs just run through the obvious ones and collect the check.
it's not something new,the eagles did it,aerosmith does it,alot of bands do.you can't be snarling at someone every minute or you'd never get anything done but i think cohen even says it in his book"they're acting" to think they're old buddies out having a good time..c'mon man,get real.
This is one of the most poignant observations ever on iorr.
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I dont think there is a feud on Micks part at all. He doesnt bother. Keith on the other hand blows his top every now and then and follows up with "were brothers, I miss him, i just want to go back to the studio, when we work together".
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<The Stones are masters at PR, and the Mick/Keith-feud has been what kept them in the news for decades - even when they didn't bother to write or release anything.>
I have often wondered myself, if the whole feud thing was a complete fabrication, whipped up to keep people interested and make everyone salivate all the more at the thought of buying tickets to see them when they came back from a long break in 1989. They are indeed masters of PR, so perhaps this is plausible. Same thing with Keith's book. The tales of calling Mick Brenda and disparaging the size of Mick's manhood - all made up to make people even more amazed and enthralled when the Stones regrouped in 2012 to sell even more high-priced tickets. I almost could buy this theory easier than I can buy the one that the Stones are great actors onstage. The moments of smiling, laughing and affection look genuine. I wish I could find it, but back at the height of WWIII, I saw a picture in the newspaper of Mick and Keith coming out of a club after Ian Stewart had died, with their arms around each other and big smiles on their faces. I thought to myself, these don't look like two guys who hate each other. Granted, they no longer hang out like best friends but maybe all that rage and bad blood was a brilliant PR ploy. I suppose we may never really know...
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HonkeyTonkFlash
<The Stones are masters at PR, and the Mick/Keith-feud has been what kept them in the news for decades - even when they didn't bother to write or release anything.>
I have often wondered myself, if the whole feud thing was a complete fabrication, whipped up to keep people interested and make everyone salivate all the more at the thought of buying tickets to see them when they came back from a long break in 1989. They are indeed masters of PR, so perhaps this is plausible. Same thing with Keith's book. The tales of calling Mick Brenda and disparaging the size of Mick's manhood - all made up to make people even more amazed and enthralled when the Stones regrouped in 2012 to sell even more high-priced tickets. I almost could buy this theory easier than I can buy the one that the Stones are great actors onstage. The moments of smiling, laughing and affection look genuine. I wish I could find it, but back at the height of WWIII, I saw a picture in the newspaper of Mick and Keith coming out of a club after Ian Stewart had died, with their arms around each other and big smiles on their faces. I thought to myself, these don't look like two guys who hate each other. Granted, they no longer hang out like best friends but maybe all that rage and bad blood was a brilliant PR ploy. I suppose we may never really know...
Like I said, it's never as black and white as lem is advocating for here.
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<The Stones are masters at PR, and the Mick/Keith-feud has been what kept them in the news for decades - even when they didn't bother to write or release anything.>
I have often wondered myself, if the whole feud thing was a complete fabrication, whipped up to keep people interested and make everyone salivate all the more at the thought of buying tickets to see them when they came back from a long break in 1989. They are indeed masters of PR, so perhaps this is plausible. Same thing with Keith's book. The tales of calling Mick Brenda and disparaging the size of Mick's manhood - all made up to make people even more amazed and enthralled when the Stones regrouped in 2012 to sell even more high-priced tickets. I almost could buy this theory easier than I can buy the one that the Stones are great actors onstage. The moments of smiling, laughing and affection look genuine. I wish I could find it, but back at the height of WWIII, I saw a picture in the newspaper of Mick and Keith coming out of a club after Ian Stewart had died, with their arms around each other and big smiles on their faces. I thought to myself, these don't look like two guys who hate each other. Granted, they no longer hang out like best friends but maybe all that rage and bad blood was a brilliant PR ploy. I suppose we may never really know...
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HonkeyTonkFlash
<The Stones are masters at PR, and the Mick/Keith-feud has been what kept them in the news for decades - even when they didn't bother to write or release anything.>
I have often wondered myself, if the whole feud thing was a complete fabrication, whipped up to keep people interested and make everyone salivate all the more at the thought of buying tickets to see them when they came back from a long break in 1989. They are indeed masters of PR, so perhaps this is plausible. Same thing with Keith's book. The tales of calling Mick Brenda and disparaging the size of Mick's manhood - all made up to make people even more amazed and enthralled when the Stones regrouped in 2012 to sell even more high-priced tickets. I almost could buy this theory easier than I can buy the one that the Stones are great actors onstage. The moments of smiling, laughing and affection look genuine. I wish I could find it, but back at the height of WWIII, I saw a picture in the newspaper of Mick and Keith coming out of a club after Ian Stewart had died, with their arms around each other and big smiles on their faces. I thought to myself, these don't look like two guys who hate each other. Granted, they no longer hang out like best friends but maybe all that rage and bad blood was a brilliant PR ploy. I suppose we may never really know...
I was keeping close tabs at that time and that was actually BEFORE so called WWIII, the Ian Stewart concert was on February 23rd 1986 and the Grammy prize a couple of days later on the 25th : [www.youtube.com]
I think WW III officially started when Mick faxed the Stones' office sometime in the spring to say he wouldn't be touring with the band in 1986 or in the foreseeable future. Sure there was tension during the DW sessions but by all accounts the band were often seen together and had dinner together each evening at the Val d'Isère across from the Warwick off the Champs-Elysees before heading off to the studio. The next time they spent significant time in Paris was in 2012 and there were no reports of them having dinner together ;-)
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HonkeyTonkFlash
<The Stones are masters at PR, and the Mick/Keith-feud has been what kept them in the news for decades - even when they didn't bother to write or release anything.>
I have often wondered myself, if the whole feud thing was a complete fabrication, whipped up to keep people interested and make everyone salivate all the more at the thought of buying tickets to see them when they came back from a long break in 1989. They are indeed masters of PR, so perhaps this is plausible. Same thing with Keith's book. The tales of calling Mick Brenda and disparaging the size of Mick's manhood - all made up to make people even more amazed and enthralled when the Stones regrouped in 2012 to sell even more high-priced tickets. I almost could buy this theory easier than I can buy the one that the Stones are great actors onstage. The moments of smiling, laughing and affection look genuine. I wish I could find it, but back at the height of WWIII, I saw a picture in the newspaper of Mick and Keith coming out of a club after Ian Stewart had died, with their arms around each other and big smiles on their faces. I thought to myself, these don't look like two guys who hate each other. Granted, they no longer hang out like best friends but maybe all that rage and bad blood was a brilliant PR ploy. I suppose we may never really know...
I was keeping close tabs at that time and that was actually BEFORE so called WWIII, the Ian Stewart concert was on February 23rd 1986 and the Grammy prize a couple of days later on the 25th : [www.youtube.com]
I think WW III officially started when Mick faxed the Stones' office sometime in the spring to say he wouldn't be touring with the band in 1986 or in the foreseeable future. Sure there was tension during the DW sessions but by all accounts the band were often seen together and had dinner together each evening at the Val d'Isère across from the Warwick off the Champs-Elysees before heading off to the studio. The next time they spent significant time in Paris was in 2012 and there were no reports of them having dinner together ;-)
Just watched the video and i agree with you that this is standard on stage personas for the Glimmers . Reading thru this thread i had this thought that we will be forever guessing about all of this because there relationship is so COMPLEX .All we really can do is guess because there are probably so many layers to the many dynamics .We do know all about the stuff that has been reported in the media but really that is just one side of it , i bet Charlie, Bill and Ronnie could shed some light but they wont and that would only be there perspective from there view.I could go on and on.Quote
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Take a look at the video for Neighbors. Keith's hate for Mick is so obvious. Thanks to this cheaply made video (no retakes-keep the camera rolling) you can see Keith's public contempt started in 1981. Mick became a person Keith can't accept. Telling video - Mick wants to play the part of room-mates and friends and Keith is like f off I don't act.
This is what i really think is REAL and TRUE .They are there to get P.A.I.D. nothing wrong with that because i would do the same thing it is called life and is not exclusive to the music industry it happens in real life even between married couples .You have a wife that is unhappy and is not paid attention to and she stays with the husband because he provides her a certain comfortable lifestyle that she enjoys the perks from but is it really true love ?Quote
lem motlow
it's called deductive reasoning-
and they don't give academy awards out for smiling,nodding and putting your hand on someones shoulder.
try this-take one of your friends and start calling him brenda or her majesty behind his back.then tell everyone how unbearable they are,call their work dogshit and after that run around and tell anyone who will listen that your friend has a small dick.and make sure you tell enough people that you're sure it will get back to him.
do this for a few years-at the end see how your friend feels about you.
if you work together your friend probably won't quit his job because of it and might even say hi and share a laugh with you but he's not your friend anymore.if you think he is you're delusional.
richards-"we're brothers,brothers fight"
jagger-"keith says that because he's an only child,i have my own brother who i'm very close to"-ouch
if people read more about jagger they'd see it's not cool and it never was cool with him.he doesn't have "rhino skin" that's keiths fantasy way of pretending what he did was ok.
it's in bill germans book,it's in rich cohens book and it's in a thousand interviews.they are there to get P.A.I.D.with the least amount of time together as possible-no writing together,no spending hours going through different or new songs just run through the obvious ones and collect the check.
it's not something new,the eagles did it,aerosmith does it,alot of bands do.you can't be snarling at someone every minute or you'd never get anything done but i think cohen even says it in his book"they're acting" to think they're old buddies out having a good time..c'mon man,get real.
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You have a wife that is unhappy and is not paid attention to and she stays with the husband because he provides her a certain comfortable lifestyle that she enjoys the perks from but is it really true love ?