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MingSubu
Is that Meredith hunter in the burritos pic?
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jlowe
Altmont was a tragedy of course.
But not unique. Music. Sport. High emotions. Drugs.
The Who concert in Cincinnati. Eleven deaths.
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MingSubu
Is that Meredith hunter in the burritos pic?
Thats definitely NOT Meredith.
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lem motlow
it is all perspective and theres more here than meets the eye-if you read what Rock Scully said about Hunter it tells me the Angels saw something there too.
The "redneck bikers picking on innocent black guy" narrative doesn't cut it,that dude was looking for trouble and he found it.
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lem motlow
the guy in the sunglasses above is just chillin,he's staying back a bit from the stage and no one is bothering him.that's exactly what i would have done,don't climb on the fckng stage,don't knock the monitors over and certainly don't smash up against those Harleys.
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MingSubu
Is that Meredith hunter in the burritos pic?
Thats definitely NOT Meredith.
No not Meredith and also, as I remember, there is a scene in the movie where this
man is dancing.
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MingSubu
Is that Meredith hunter in the burritos pic?
Thats definitely NOT Meredith.
No not Meredith and also, as I remember, there is a scene in the movie where this
man is dancing.
I never really paid attention beyond the lime green suit. Meredith is sporting a big afro too, unlike this dude.
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lem motlow
thanks for the great pictures 2000 LYFH -you are illustrating perfectly my question to Ron and his answer,which was awesome by the way and something i never would have seen or thought of.
you can really tell when someone knows what they are talking about-look at the first picture with the Burritos playing,you can see the boxes in the crowd then the later picture of the Stones with the boxes onstage.
of course the crowd are knocking things over,climbing on the stage and basically acting like idiots.
If you read the 1971 Rolling stone magazine interview with Keith he say's "some of those people were just asking for it man",
oddly enough the qoute is deleted from the rolling stone online archive of the interview.
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BroomWagon
Altamont saw some other deaths though, right? 4 deaths, 2 births but those other deaths were different. Just like Woodstock actually had some deaths. That's up to research.
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stanlove
So if the Angles didn't beat up every black guy then its proof to you that they didn't pick on Hunter?
In the movie as you can see they were beating up other black guys and there were not many there. Hunter didn't climb up o the stage, knock over monitors, or knock over some jerks bike. But its telling that you think that anyone near the stage deserved what they got. Sure you were not an Angle yourself? Thats how they acted also.
Maybe once they saw the crowd was too big and their bikes were getting run into their could have moved their bikes out of the way. Just a thought..If their bike's were the most important thing in their lives ( they need new lives ) then move the freaking things so they don't get damaged.
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So if the Angles didn't beat up every black guy then its proof to you that they didn't pick on Hunter?
In the movie as you can see they were beating up other black guys and there were not many there. Hunter didn't climb up o the stage, knock over monitors, or knock over some jerks bike. But its telling that you think that anyone near the stage deserved what they got. Sure you were not an Angle yourself? Thats how they acted also.
Maybe once they saw the crowd was too big and their bikes were getting run into their could have moved their bikes out of the way. Just a thought..If their bike's were the most important thing in their lives ( they need new lives ) then move the freaking things so they don't get damaged.
Stan,i'm not gonna have this conversation with you if you are gonna start getting emotional again.this is what happened last time,you got upset and said you would fight Hells Angels "one on one".
you should go back and read the thread instead of jumping in on page 3.Had you done that you would have seen my interaction with the Angels,why i think that even though they're dirtbags they still might have been scapegoated to a large extent and you also would've seen Rons answer to my question why the bikes were in front of the stage,all things your post indicates you don't seem to know.
Altamont is one of my favorite Stones topics and i feel lucky to have people like Ron and Swiss to answer questions for me,it's like peeling an onion there are so many layers to it.
i don't expect everyone to agree with me but i'm not buying the peaceful hippie show ruined by attacking bikers story,there were alot of sketchy people at that show.It wasn't the Angels that ran through a campfire and killed two people in a hit and run,it wasn't the Angels who smashed the singer of the band ace of cups in the head with a beer bottle,fracturing her skull.there are many reports of "an angry, stoned and drunken crowd that began fighting amongst themselves as night fell"- there's more here than meets they eye.
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stanlove
I did read your earlier post about your experience with the Angels. It doesn't change anything about Altamonte or what we saw or what was seen by others. It doesn't change the fact that Hunter had no problems with anyone else but the Angels, kind of like everyone else.
Also could you tell me how you know it wasn't an Angel that threw the bottle? I read that it was. And i am not sure why you would even bring up the car accident.
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I did read your earlier post about your experience with the Angels. It doesn't change anything about Altamonte or what we saw or what was seen by others. It doesn't change the fact that Hunter had no problems with anyone else but the Angels, kind of like everyone else.
Also could you tell me how you know it wasn't an Angel that threw the bottle? I read that it was. And i am not sure why you would even bring up the car accident.
for whatever reason you've never understood what i was saying and i'm not sure why-let me take another approach.
1.i brought up the "car accident" because bikers ride bikes no?,so we know at least one concertgoer killed two people with a car and took off.
2.i was told the Angels lived by a sort of code,they are batshit crazy but they generally follow it-if you don't mess with them,they don't mess with you.
this was my real life experience also ,what i heard turned out to be true,sooo
3.i'm thinking this looks a little fishy,why are they going into a crowd and attacking people for no reason,so i start digging.
4.if you read enough accounts you find out this wasn't the peaceful acid-weed crowd of woodstock.there were some nasty people there,fckd up on heroin,meth and downers.we know one of them killed two people and ran off,that's a big deal.
Rock Scully said when you'd walk through the crowd going to the bathroom the crowd sitting down would karate chop your legs for fun,just nasty ass mean people.
photographer Jim Marshall who we all know, said he heard Sam Cutler tell the Angels as the Stones were going on"do whatever you have to do,just keep them away from the Stones" not-don't hurt anybody,or just shove them or escort them-but"do whatever you have to do"
you see what i'm getting at? we were sold the story that the "woodstock dream" died at Altamont.what my research has shown me is the dream was dead long before,only thing left was a bunch of dead-eyed zombies.
were the Hells Angels messed up,yeah of course.but their messed up craziness covered the asses for a multitude of others.
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lem motlow
thanks for the great pictures 2000 LYFH -you are illustrating perfectly my question to Ron and his answer,which was awesome by the way and something i never would have seen or thought of.
you can really tell when someone knows what they are talking about-look at the first picture with the Burritos playing,you can see the boxes in the crowd then the later picture of the Stones with the boxes onstage.
of course the crowd are knocking things over,climbing on the stage and basically acting like idiots.
If you read the 1971 Rolling stone magazine interview with Keith he say's "some of those people were just asking for it man",
oddly enough the qoute is deleted from the rolling stone online archive of the interview.
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Gaetzi
I know it was all thrown together last minute but whenever I see pictures it always shocks me how low the stage was.
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wonderboy
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It's off the Altamont subject, but my favorite bit of this interview is the last bit about the Stones meeting the mayor's daughter in 1966 because she won a prize and hanging out with the mayor and his daughter. It would be a great story to track down that girl and get her memories.