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DandelionPowderman
This is significant no matter how «intentional» it was to turn young people on to the blues by doing this album.
A #1 blues record, with some stuff on it that was pretty unfamiliar, even for many blues fans.
Of course, they couldn't predict the album to top the charts, but they knew it would cause quite a stir in the market, because of their long absence from it with new stuff.
This album is more educational than all the american songbooks and cheap cash in-attemps from other big artists (Aerosmith and Rod Stewart spring to mind).
I know my share of the blues, and there were several songs on B&L that I probably only had heard once, or just a couple of times. I missed the beauty of those songs for different reasons. They are not by the biggest blues artists who the kids superficially know the names of.
Without taking this too far, this was an important release. Probably even more important than the Stones knew it would be.
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DandelionPowderman
This is significant no matter how «intentional» it was to turn young people on to the blues by doing this album.
A #1 blues record, with some stuff on it that was pretty unfamiliar, even for many blues fans.
Of course, they couldn't predict the album to top the charts, but they knew it would cause quite a stir in the market, because of their long absence from it with new stuff.
This album is more educational than all the american songbooks and cheap cash in-attemps from other big artists (Aerosmith and Rod Stewart spring to mind).
I know my share of the blues, and there were several songs on B&L that I probably only had heard once, or just a couple of times. I missed the beauty of those songs for different reasons. They are not by the biggest blues artists who the kids superficially know the names of.
Without taking this too far, this was an important release. Probably even more important than the Stones knew it would be.
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DandelionPowderman
This is significant no matter how «intentional» it was to turn young people on to the blues by doing this album.
A #1 blues record, with some stuff on it that was pretty unfamiliar, even for many blues fans.
Of course, they couldn't predict the album to top the charts, but they knew it would cause quite a stir in the market, because of their long absence from it with new stuff.
This album is more educational than all the american songbooks and cheap cash in-attemps from other big artists (Aerosmith and Rod Stewart spring to mind).
I know my share of the blues, and there were several songs on B&L that I probably only had heard once, or just a couple of times. I missed the beauty of those songs for different reasons. They are not by the biggest blues artists who the kids superficially know the names of.
Without taking this too far, this was an important release. Probably even more important than the Stones knew it would be.
Couldn't agree more, especially with the one in bold, very well put (and I also had similar experiences of certain songs - the album 'educated' me as well). Besides it is a damn good album!
But I go now to listen WANDERING SPIRIT. I've tried to get there for a week I guess...
- Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
Go, go! That's what this thread was all about in the first place - sorry for digressing
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Doxa
Compared generally to the Stones albums at the time, especially STEEL WHEELS and VOODOO LOUNGE, of which is not so distant musicwise, it manages, me thinks, clearly better. As known, WANDERING SPIRIT is pretty close to standard Stones, Mick just using different musicians, but I think that exactly is the strenght and point of this album. I've been thinking how on earth is that possible - Jagger being able to make better sounding Stones music by his own than with the Stones. A theory I came up with is: especially in VOODOO LOUNGE (but that started already in STEEL WHEELS, and has continued ever since), the Stones production policy and sound relies too much on their distinctive trademark sound - Keith needs to be sound so signature Keith as possible, Charlie as Charlie as possible, then Ronnie adding so typical Stones-sounding licks, etc. etc. This emphasis on 'trademark/signature sound' goes beyond the songs themselves, it is more important than the over-all impression of music, or, at worst, is the over-all impression of the whole thing. The effect to critical listeners as me is The Stones caricature-like aping themselves, The Stones making damn sure that it every damn listener noticing damn sure that it is the Stones - Mick, Keith, Charlie, Ronnie - there (as I have subtitled especially VOODOO LOUNGE: "Stones For Dummies"). In WANDERING SPIRIT the band, and their specific features and distinctive, signature sounds, is not more important the songs, the music itself. Everything in musicianhip is done to suit the songs best. I think it would take for the Stones until BLUE & LONESOME to come up with such coherence, the song-goes-first-attitude, again.
- Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
Didn't get to read through it all, Doxa, but will do
PS: Think is a cover as well.
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DandelionPowderman
Didn't get to read through it all, Doxa, but will do
PS: Think is a cover as well.
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DandelionPowderman
Mick on She's The Boss (From 1985):
«I wanted to make a commercial record», Mr. Jagger readily admitted, «but one that I really liked. I wasn't trying to be super-commercial, but some of the songs I wrote turned out to be relatively catchy, didn't they? A lot of the songs are really quite traditional underneath, blues-rooted in fact, but played with a musical approach that reflects the range of what I've been listening to».
[www.nytimes.com]
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DandelionPowderman
This is significant no matter how «intentional» it was to turn young people on to the blues by doing this album.
A #1 blues record, with some stuff on it that was pretty unfamiliar, even for many blues fans.
Of course, they couldn't predict the album to top the charts, but they knew it would cause quite a stir in the market, because of their long absence from it with new stuff.
This album is more educational than all the american songbooks and cheap cash in-attemps from other big artists (Aerosmith and Rod Stewart spring to mind).
I know my share of the blues, and there were several songs on B&L that I probably only had heard once, or just a couple of times. I missed the beauty of those songs for different reasons. They are not by the biggest blues artists who the kids superficially know the names of.
Without taking this too far, this was an important release. Probably even more important than the Stones knew it would be.
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matxil
I agree with HMS here. Whether you personally like Blue & Lonesome or not, as an album it will never have that legendary status as BB, LIB, SF and EOMS.
In 15 years or 25 years or 50 years, if people will still talk about the Stones, they will mention the Big Four, and hits like Satisfaction and Start Me Up. They will not mention B&L in that same way. The only way it might get mentioned is as "their last album".
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HMS
Blue & Lonesome isn´t as important as masterpieces like LIB, EOMS.
It´s a very enjoyable cover album by musicians playing the music they love, nothing more, nothing less.
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matxil
I agree with HMS here. Whether you personally like Blue & Lonesome or not, as an album it will never have that legendary status as BB, LIB, SF and EOMS.
In 15 years or 25 years or 50 years, if people will still talk about the Stones, they will mention the Big Four, and hits like Satisfaction and Start Me Up. They will not mention B&L in that same way. The only way it might get mentioned is as "their last album".
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Doxa
Compared generally to the Stones albums at the time, especially STEEL WHEELS and VOODOO LOUNGE, of which is not so distant musicwise, it manages, me thinks, clearly better. As known, WANDERING SPIRIT is pretty close to standard Stones, Mick just using different musicians, but I think that exactly is the strenght and point of this album. I've been thinking how on earth is that possible - Jagger being able to make better sounding Stones music by his own than with the Stones. A theory I came up with is: especially in VOODOO LOUNGE (but that started already in STEEL WHEELS, and has continued ever since), the Stones production policy and sound relies too much on their distinctive trademark sound - Keith needs to be sound so signature Keith as possible, Charlie as Charlie as possible, then Ronnie adding so typical Stones-sounding licks, etc. etc. This emphasis on 'trademark/signature sound' goes beyond the songs themselves, it is more important than the over-all impression of music, or, at worst, is the over-all impression of the whole thing. The effect to critical listeners as me is The Stones caricature-like aping themselves, The Stones making damn sure that it every damn listener noticing damn sure that it is the Stones - Mick, Keith, Charlie, Ronnie - there (as I have subtitled especially VOODOO LOUNGE: "Stones For Dummies"). In WANDERING SPIRIT the band, and their specific features and distinctive, signature sounds, is not more important the songs, the music itself. Everything in musicianhip is done to suit the songs best. I think it would take for the Stones until BLUE & LONESOME to come up with such coherence, the song-goes-first-attitude, again.
- Doxa
i don't think it's so much keith and ronnie "aping themselves in a caricature -like way " as it is them being really limited players. i don't mean that as a putdown -keith himself has said"i've tried being a great guitar player and like chuck berry,i failed"-it's just the signature sound is pretty much all they've got for better or worse.
that's why everyone loves keith's records because they sound like the stones and that's what we want,you pay for keith you want a stones sound,you by jaggers stuff and who the hell knows what you'll get,i think that frustrates people.
i'm glad mick never unleashed a stones-like album because it would've hurt the band.you get some great rock/blues players with that voice over it and suddenly you've mopped the floor with the last five stones albums-not good.even that red devils album would've been a problem.
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HMS
Blue & Lonesome isn´t as important as masterpieces like BB, LIB, EOMS.
It´s a very enjoyable cover album by musicians playing the music they love, nothing more, nothing less.
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matxil
I agree with HMS here. Whether you personally like Blue & Lonesome or not, as an album it will never have that legendary status as BB, LIB, SF and EOMS.
In 15 years or 25 years or 50 years, if people will still talk about the Stones, they will mention the Big Four, and hits like Satisfaction and Start Me Up. They will not mention B&L in that same way. The only way it might get mentioned is as "their last album".
Agreed. And I was going to write the same thing regarding 'last album', and really hope that's not the case, though I have mixed feelings about that.
On one hand it might be a nice ending to come full circle and finish on a high note (sales wise), but on the other hand an average covers album as their last statement and contribution to the world?
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matxil
I agree with HMS here. Whether you personally like Blue & Lonesome or not, as an album it will never have that legendary status as BB, LIB, SF and EOMS.
In 15 years or 25 years or 50 years, if people will still talk about the Stones, they will mention the Big Four, and hits like Satisfaction and Start Me Up. They will not mention B&L in that same way. The only way it might get mentioned is as "their last album".
I meant the impact the album could have on young people today, not that B&L should have the same legendary status as Exile.
We already know that they soon will hit the 2 million mark in album sales, and they just won an award for it. It might be that young people wanna discover the blues via this album and go back to its roots. Will they succeed with that with the other albums you mentioned?
Hence it could be a very important album.
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HMS
Blue & Lonesome isn´t as important as masterpieces like BB, LIB, EOMS.
It´s a very enjoyable cover album by musicians playing the music they love, nothing more, nothing less.
Deaf ears, as usual. Way to go, pisser.
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HMS
Blue & Lonesome isn´t as important as masterpieces like BB, LIB, EOMS.
It´s a very enjoyable cover album by musicians playing the music they love, nothing more, nothing less.
Deaf ears, as usual. Way to go, pisser.
As much as you seem to enjoy slagging off HMS, I really don't see why what he says here is so crazy.
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DandelionPowderman
Anyone with ears can tell that they did more than merely copying. The Stones were never good at copying anything anyway
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DandelionPowderman
Anyone with ears can tell that they did more than merely copying. The Stones were never good at copying anything anyway
No doubt, however this one is very close:
** Little Walter - Just Your Fool **
** Rolling Stones - Just Your Fool **