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If you do not want to read through 46 pages of smalltalk about the rumoured Stones tour in Europe this summer then there is a short version of what I think is important to know about here:

IORR list of rumoured European Tour 2017

[iorr.org]

There are even time stamps with references to when info was added. If nothing is added in 4-6 weeks from now then the tour is off. Very simple. If there are additions often then tour is most probably on. Because locals and agents and insiders and venues and government people and press and hundreds of other sources I am in touch with supply info I do qualify as interesting and reliable.

So BV, are we still good, or is it uncertain they will tour. I guess the latest??
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If you do not want to read through 46 pages of smalltalk about the rumoured Stones tour in Europe this summer then there is a short version of what I think is important to know about here:

IORR list of rumoured European Tour 2017

[iorr.org]

There are even time stamps with references to when info was added. If nothing is added in 4-6 weeks from now then the tour is off. Very simple. If there are additions often then tour is most probably on. Because locals and agents and insiders and venues and government people and press and hundreds of other sources I am in touch with supply info I do qualify as interesting and reliable.

Thank you Bjornulf. In the Scottish Highlands they have an expression, "Say little but say it well." 46 pages of smalltalk tells you that many of us are not very good at it

To be honest, I think people are just getting impatient. Those European Stones fans who are unable/unwilling to travel have had no Stones live action since July 2014 and are just waiting hopefully for good news. Me included

The offers are there, the clock is ticking, the band haven't signed yet, they might sign still but at one stage these venues will book other acts or just realize they will not have a sweet summer event with the greatest band in the world. If they tour this summer then go now do not wait until the next tour in 2020 or so. I have said this since 2012. One day they will have been performing their last show. Ever.

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It's basically imperative that our boys finish on a high in Europe, preferably London obviously... But they'll keep on playing until they drop so there will be more shows.... I just hope we can catch 'em this year as well!

They will not play until they drop, that's small talk to give the press headlines.
If one of the band members is not on form to perform, they will not perform anymore, no last show, no farewell tour or anything like that, they will just stop and that's it.

The end of the line is VERY close, closer than we think.

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It's basically imperative that our boys finish on a high in Europe, preferably London obviously... But they'll keep on playing until they drop so there will be more shows.... I just hope we can catch 'em this year as well!

They will not play until they drop, that's small talk to give the press headlines.
If one of the band members is not on form to perform, they will not perform anymore, no last show, no farewell tour or anything like that, they will just stop and that's it.

The end of the line is VERY close, closer than we think.

Once again George is spot on. Be patient boys. There is always Fall or Winter possibilities.

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The offers are there, the clock is ticking, the band haven't signed yet, they might sign still but at one stage these venues will book other acts or just realize they will not have a sweet summer event with the greatest band in the world. If they tour this summer then go now do not wait until the next tour in 2020 or so. I have said this since 2012. One day they will have been performing their last show. Ever.

Yup, the 'end of the line' is in sight, that's for sure. As a live act, the RS are unquestionably now on the home strait, witness the fact that they have played 'something somewhere' every single year since they re-emerged after a very long break in late 2012. As BV says, they're very unlikely to ever set out deliberately announcing that 'this will be the last time', so it really is a question of 'catch them now, because one or other of these show will turn out to have been the last one ever' ! At the actual time that show is being performed, I'm sure there won't be a conscious thought - either in their heads or in ours - that 'this is it', but one horrible day ... they will in fact be playing for the last time ever ever ever ! I can hardly being myself to think about it, but it's a reality.

One of their songs sums it up perfectly ... 'time wait for no-one'. Not even them !

Anyway, back to the subject line of this thread, I for one am just hoping that somewhere or other and sometime in 2017 - the RS hit a stage ! Fingers firmly crossed !

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

It's only 11 years since they were able to play more than 70 shows in a year. And that was the "palm" year. Now it seems they can't even do 15-20 anymore (or they don't want to). The last show has not happened yet probably but it will surely be within the next 3-4 years. Remember they're all in an age where at least 40 % of the rock stars have already died.



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Yeah Georgelicks I agree, my point was that they are a strong bunch of lads and that they will play on until one of 'em, God forbid, gets unwell.

I just don't think (or don't want to think) that the Vegas show was their last ever.

I hope at least something will happen in London in late august... 10 years after the beautiful O2 shows finishing of The BB Tour....

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Yeah Georgelicks I agree, my point was that they are a strong bunch of lads and that they will play on until one of 'em, God forbid, gets unwell.

I just don't think (or don't want to think) that the Vegas show was their last ever.

I hope at least something will happen in London in late august... 10 years after the beautiful O2 shows finishing of The BB Tour....

sadly their last show wouldn't be the Vegas show but a show in front of rich people in a tent in the middle of a big stadium :-(

Hehe yeah I forgot about that one,,, Well at least they played Whip then...

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The offers are there, the clock is ticking, the band haven't signed yet, they might sign still but at one stage these venues will book other acts or just realize they will not have a sweet summer event with the greatest band in the world. If they tour this summer then go now do not wait until the next tour in 2020 or so. I have said this since 2012. One day they will have been performing their last show. Ever.

If there are offers on the table and they're not signing then that concerns me. Either they're trying to negotiate even better deals or there are logistical/personal/health issues or possibly even disputes within the camp.
Apart from Ronnie, these guys are now well into their 70s and not one but 2 of them have recently fathered children!

In past Summer tours, dates have usually been confirmed by late March/early April. Hopefully they're just deciding between themselves how many shows they're going to do and which venue offers to accept. The existence of other touring acts competing for the same venue time slots will hopefully help them make their minds up soon.

Whatever happens I'll definitely show up to see them somewhere in Europe if this happens. I thought 2014 was going to be their last Euro Tour but they looked like they'd plenty of gas left in the tank on that tour.

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The offers are there, the clock is ticking, the band haven't signed yet, they might sign still but at one stage these venues will book other acts or just realize they will not have a sweet summer event with the greatest band in the world. If they tour this summer then go now do not wait until the next tour in 2020 or so. I have said this since 2012. One day they will have been performing their last show. Ever.

If there are offers on the table and they're not signing then that concerns me. Either they're trying to negotiate even better deals or there are logistical/personal/health issues or possibly even disputes within the camp.
Apart from Ronnie, these guys are now well into their 70s and not one but 2 of them have recently fathered children!

In past Summer tours, dates have usually been confirmed by late March/early April. Hopefully they're just deciding between themselves how many shows they're going to do and which venue offers to accept. The existence of other touring acts competing for the same venue time slots will hopefully help them make their minds up soon.

Whatever happens I'll definitely show up to see them somewhere in Europe if this happens. I thought 2014 was going to be their last Euro Tour but they looked like they'd plenty of gas left in the tank on that tour.

Before the tour (if there will be any) starts even Ronnie has turned 70.

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If there are offers on the table and they're not signing then that concerns me. Either they're trying to negotiate even better deals or there are logistical/personal/health issues or possibly even disputes within the camp.

Or they still calculate effort & benefit at the moment for the "handful of dates" ....

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If there are offers on the table and they're not signing then that concerns me. Either they're trying to negotiate even better deals or there are logistical/personal/health issues or possibly even disputes within the camp.

Or they still calculate effort & benefit at the moment for the "handful of dates" ....

Yeah, I believe you can't really make the very big money with 6 shows. They seem to think about if it's worth it. Seven weeks work for 1, 2 or 3 million per member is much work. That two of the members have new babies will certainly matter as well.



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If there are offers on the table and they're not signing then that concerns me. Either they're trying to negotiate even better deals or there are logistical/personal/health issues or possibly even disputes within the camp.

Or they still calculate effort & benefit at the moment for the "handful of dates" ....

Yeah, I believe you can't really make the very big money with 6 shows. They seem to think about if it's worth it. Seven weeks work for 1, 2 or 3 million per member is much work. That two of the members have new babies will certainly matter as well.

I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.



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The offers are there, the clock is ticking, the band haven't signed yet, they might sign still but at one stage these venues will book other acts or just realize they will not have a sweet summer event with the greatest band in the world. If they tour this summer then go now do not wait until the next tour in 2020 or so. I have said this since 2012. One day they will have been performing their last show. Ever.

GOOD PREDICTION! Hahaha

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sadly their last show wouldn't be the Vegas show but a show in front of rich people in a tent in the middle of a big stadium :-(

Disagree.
Private gigs don't qualify as official or "last show"..
Vegas is currently their last show in the states, and I loved every second of it.

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I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.

With 6 Shows, which would be 30 Million US-$ in total, from that Production costs (Rent of Stage-Equipment, Tour-Logistics, Insurances, etc) of 20 Million US-$:

It would be 250,000 US-$ for each Core-member + (simply calculated) 100,000 US-$ per Touring-Band-member (Darryl J., Chuck L., Bernard F., Sasha A., Matt C., Tim R., Karl D.) -- per Show -- and: before Tax.

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I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.

With 6 Shows, which would be 30 Million US-$ in total, from that Production costs (Rent of Stage-Equipment, Tour-Logistics, Insurances, etc) of 20 Million US-$:

It would be 250,000 US-$ for each Core-member + (simply calculated) 100,000 US-$ per Touring-Band-member (Darryl J., Chuck L., Bernard F., Sasha A., Matt C., Tim R., Karl D.) -- per Show -- and: before Tax.

I have no idea, but 250.000 per show and member seems more likely than 1m. Net profit. That would still be a few 1.000 $ per song ;-)



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I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.

With 6 Shows, which would be 30 Million US-$ in total, from that Production costs (Rent of Stage-Equipment, Tour-Logistics, Insurances, etc) of 20 Million US-$:

It would be 250,000 US-$ for each Core-member + (simply calculated) 100,000 US-$ per Touring-Band-member (Darryl J., Chuck L., Bernard F., Sasha A., Matt C., Tim R., Karl D.) -- per Show -- and: before Tax.

I did say $5m per show PLUS Tour logistics costs.

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I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.

With 6 Shows, which would be 30 Million US-$ in total, from that Production costs (Rent of Stage-Equipment, Tour-Logistics, Insurances, etc) of 20 Million US-$:

It would be 250,000 US-$ for each Core-member + (simply calculated) 100,000 US-$ per Touring-Band-member (Darryl J., Chuck L., Bernard F., Sasha A., Matt C., Tim R., Karl D.) -- per Show -- and: before Tax.

I have no idea, but 250.000 per show and member seems more likely than 1m. Net profit.

In 1990 the whole band made average 1 million per show.
Unlikely that they do it for the same amount nowadays.

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I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.

With 6 Shows, which would be 30 Million US-$ in total, from that Production costs (Rent of Stage-Equipment, Tour-Logistics, Insurances, etc) of 20 Million US-$:

It would be 250,000 US-$ for each Core-member + (simply calculated) 100,000 US-$ per Touring-Band-member (Darryl J., Chuck L., Bernard F., Sasha A., Matt C., Tim R., Karl D.) -- per Show -- and: before Tax.

I have no idea, but 250.000 per show and member seems more likely than 1m. Net profit.

In 1990 the whole band made average 1 million per show.
Unlikely that they do it for the same amount nowadays.

Well, I doubt it. Tickets were very cheap in those days. Where do you know this from?



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Yeah Georgelicks I agree, my point was that they are a strong bunch of lads and that they will play on until one of 'em, God forbid, gets unwell.

I just don't think (or don't want to think) that the Vegas show was their last ever.

I hope at least something will happen in London in late august... 10 years after the beautiful O2 shows finishing of The BB Tour....

sadly their last show wouldn't be the Vegas show but a show in front of rich people in a tent in the middle of a big stadium :-(

True, but either way not a great way to say 'goodbye'. Private show vs. the Sick Mick show...if it's the last US show so be it,
but really hoping they play somewhere in Europe as the true last time - London would be the perfect ending to a great story.

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I did say $5m per show PLUS Tour logistics costs.

I guess that would be costs of 90 Million US-$ in total for 6 Shows ....

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I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.

With 6 Shows, which would be 30 Million US-$ in total, from that Production costs (Rent of Stage-Equipment, Tour-Logistics, Insurances, etc) of 20 Million US-$:

It would be 250,000 US-$ for each Core-member + (simply calculated) 100,000 US-$ per Touring-Band-member (Darryl J., Chuck L., Bernard F., Sasha A., Matt C., Tim R., Karl D.) -- per Show -- and: before Tax.

I have no idea, but 250.000 per show and member seems more likely than 1m. Net profit.

In 1990 the whole band made average 1 million per show.
Unlikely that they do it for the same amount nowadays.

Well, I doubt it. Tickets were very cheap in those days. Where do you know this from?

They charged 60 D-Marks - a very high price for those times.
The figure was reported in a TV special about the Cologne shows.

They may not want to sign contracts until the last moment, as bv has pointed out.



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I thought I read somewhere that they charged something along the lines of $5m per show minimum / $1m per core band member with the rest split amongst the backing band with the Promoter picking up the cost of the tour logistics.

With 6 Shows, which would be 30 Million US-$ in total, from that Production costs (Rent of Stage-Equipment, Tour-Logistics, Insurances, etc) of 20 Million US-$:

It would be 250,000 US-$ for each Core-member + (simply calculated) 100,000 US-$ per Touring-Band-member (Darryl J., Chuck L., Bernard F., Sasha A., Matt C., Tim R., Karl D.) -- per Show -- and: before Tax.

I have no idea, but 250.000 per show and member seems more likely than 1m. Net profit.

In 1990 the whole band made average 1 million per show.
Unlikely that they do it for the same amount nowadays.

Well, I doubt it. Tickets were very cheap in those days. Where do you know this from?

They charged 60 D-Marks - a very high price for those times.
The figure was reported in a TV special about the Cologne shows.

On the Urban Jungle Tour it was £23GBP+Fees to see them at Wembley. Even by the BtB Tour in 1999 that had only risen to £30GBP+Fees.

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They charged 60 D-Marks - a very high price for those times.

Yes, my Ticket from 17-Aug-1995, Berlin Olympic Stadium, states 65 D-Marks, then 26-Aug-1998 Berlin Olympic Stadium 144 D-Marks and my Ticket from 13-Aug-2007, Düsseldorf LTU-Arena, states 189 EUR. The seats were comparable and 1 EUR is approx. 2 D-Marks ....



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