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The teeth are a bit more defined and there's a shadow on the tongue under the teeth, as opposed to the first design.
And the highlight on the left side of tongue.
In retrospect, the Stones have to thank Craig Braun, diMiceli an Valez for this one. Excellent team work, given the very difficult circumstances at the time (late 1970 to early 1971)
Correction: Craig Braun/Ernie Cefalu. Criag owned the company, Ernie drew it.
WRONG.
Why these ignorant myths keep getting gurgitated is mind boggling.
Ernie had ZERO to do with the original logo. Craig Braun's team edited the original, which was designed by John Pasche, all of which has been documented. Ernie Cefalu had NOTHING to do with the logo.
Ernie did his version later strictly for merchandise.
You are absolutely right GLS! Even the stories about "Ernie's" logo have been uncovered. That logo was also "owned" by Craig Braun's company merchandise wise for three years. He had an agreement with Rolling Stones Records (read: Musidor) for that.
Ernie had a mouth sample (from another record label) to show as reference when he joined Braun's company and it was Braun and Chess who gave him instructions to add (!) a sticking-out tongue to it, which resulted in that "in between" version. So even the term "his version" is out of place here.
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GasLightStreet
The teeth are a bit more defined and there's a shadow on the tongue under the teeth, as opposed to the first design.
And the highlight on the left side of tongue.
In retrospect, the Stones have to thank Craig Braun, diMiceli an Valez for this one. Excellent team work, given the very difficult circumstances at the time (late 1970 to early 1971)
Correction: Craig Braun/Ernie Cefalu. Criag owned the company, Ernie drew it.
WRONG.
Why these ignorant myths keep getting gurgitated is mind boggling.
Ernie had ZERO to do with the original logo. Craig Braun's team edited the original, which was designed by John Pasche, all of which has been documented. Ernie Cefalu had NOTHING to do with the logo.
Ernie did his version later strictly for merchandise.
You are absolutely right GLS! Even the stories about "Ernie's" logo have been uncovered. That logo was also "owned" by Craig Braun's company merchandise wise for three years. He had an agreement with Rolling Stones Records (read: Musidor) for that.
Ernie had a mouth sample (from another record label) to show as reference when he joined Braun's company and it was Braun and Chess who gave him instructions to add (!) a sticking-out tongue to it, which resulted in that "in between" version. So even the term "his version" is out of place here.
Well, "his version" being the one that doesn't exactly look like the Stones logo, it looks cheap. I suppose he had to make it look different - so he made it much uglier.
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GasLightStreet
The teeth are a bit more defined and there's a shadow on the tongue under the teeth, as opposed to the first design.
And the highlight on the left side of tongue.
In retrospect, the Stones have to thank Craig Braun, diMiceli an Valez for this one. Excellent team work, given the very difficult circumstances at the time (late 1970 to early 1971)
Correction: Craig Braun/Ernie Cefalu. Criag owned the company, Ernie drew it.
WRONG.
Why these ignorant myths keep getting gurgitated is mind boggling.
Ernie had ZERO to do with the original logo. Craig Braun's team edited the original, which was designed by John Pasche, all of which has been documented. Ernie Cefalu had NOTHING to do with the logo.
Ernie did his version later strictly for merchandise.
You are absolutely right GLS! Even the stories about "Ernie's" logo have been uncovered. That logo was also "owned" by Craig Braun's company merchandise wise for three years. He had an agreement with Rolling Stones Records (read: Musidor) for that.
Ernie had a mouth sample (from another record label) to show as reference when he joined Braun's company and it was Braun and Chess who gave him instructions to add (!) a sticking-out tongue to it, which resulted in that "in between" version. So even the term "his version" is out of place here.
Well, "his version" being the one that doesn't exactly look like the Stones logo, it looks cheap. I suppose he had to make it look different - so he made it much uglier.
As he said himself in a video taped interview, he didn't know the USA-version of the Lips&Tongue logo at all while he was working for Braun (also confirmed by documented statements from former colleagues). So neither Pasche's original version nor the USA version could ever have "inspired" him.
Braun's company was experimenting with several different logo versions at the time and the "ugly one" was just one of them. The final choice (without the Stones knowing, but Chess, being in the USA at the time, had a "heavy voice" as president of Rolling Stones Records) was made by Braun and his two co-workers. Perfect choice!
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Wow, it's funny how you guys say so much, but know so little. How exactly is it that you're connected with anyone in the story?
Hey this is nuffin' …
You should checkout ---- New Stones album for 2019?
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roller99
Wow, it's funny how you guys say so much, but know so little. How exactly is it that you're connected with anyone in the story? Please tell me again, I'm interested in where you get your knowledge. I mean, anything you've read in print must be the truth, right? I suppose you've spoken with John Pasche, The Rolling Stones management, Shep Gordon, the board over at NARAS, and a bunch of other recording industry insiders, right?
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wait that’s a tongue?
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Wow, it's funny how you guys say so much, but know so little. How exactly is it that you're connected with anyone in the story? Please tell me again, I'm interested in where you get your knowledge. I mean, anything you've read in print must be the truth, right? I suppose you've spoken with John Pasche, The Rolling Stones management, Shep Gordon, the board over at NARAS, and a bunch of other recording industry insiders, right?
When there is documentation, copyrights, trademarks and purchased art that is all findable online and in books of John Pasche and Mick Jagger and Marshall Chess and Craig Braun and the London Museum with the original logo, believing a kook would seem a little silly.
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Wow, it's funny how you guys say so much, but know so little. How exactly is it that you're connected with anyone in the story? Please tell me again, I'm interested in where you get your knowledge. I mean, anything you've read in print must be the truth, right? I suppose you've spoken with John Pasche, The Rolling Stones management, Shep Gordon, the board over at NARAS, and a bunch of other recording industry insiders, right?
When there is documentation, copyrights, trademarks and purchased art that is all findable online and in books of John Pasche and Mick Jagger and Marshall Chess and Craig Braun and the London Museum with the original logo, believing a kook would seem a little silly.
Well, I guess you've read into some erroneous writing. Ernie's tongue is ON The Rolling Stones website, so it is recognized as official. He worked for Braun at the time, so that's easily proven. Still, you've just read something and taken it as the gospel. I've spoken with people directly connected with this topic, but you just keep going with your opinion, you're entitled to it. The court of public opinion....
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Irix
The Beatles Songbook by Alan Aldridge - these are the pages 110-111 of the First Edition from 1969:
It's a question of the perspective, whether the similarity of the Stones' Tongue&Lips logo is a coincidence or not ....
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Irix
Direct comparison:
Left: Alan Aldridge Illustration 1969 - Right: Tongue&Lips logo, Sticky Fingers 1st US-Edition 1971
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I recall the previous thread regarding the origins the tongue with all debates and heated exchanges, and found it here: First designer of Stones Tongue & Lips logo???
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The Beatles Songbook by Alan Aldridge - these are the pages 110-111 of the First Edition from 1969:
It's a question of the perspective, whether the similarity of the Stones' Tongue&Lips logo is a coincidence or not ....Quote
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Direct comparison:
Left: Alan Aldridge Illustration 1969 - Right: Tongue&Lips logo, Sticky Fingers 1st US-Edition 1971
Surely this can't be a coincidence as the similarities are clear as day, and looks to me like the Beatles were first again.
As I stated in that earlier thread: "After seeing the above it seems obvious the tongue design originated with Alan Aldridge".
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And what I remember most from that thread though are these two posts from Irix:
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And what I remember most from that thread though are these two posts from Irix:
For the sake of correctness: the hint to Alan Aldridge came actually from the post by bmuseed on 26-Nov-2014 - [iorr.org] . I did only the graphical comparison and the re-check with the Book-Edition from 1969 ....
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georgie48
Braun may have talked to "bmuseed" at some point (so he "came up" with that Beatles idea), because Braun is the "emotional" link.
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Braun may have talked to "bmuseed" at some point (so he "came up" with that Beatles idea), because Braun is the "emotional" link.
Possible if bmuseed is really this person ....