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It's hard to put into words what this album still means to me to this day ... it was my intro to the Stones and I've never turned back! Every song is classic Stones, to me. I always say this is #5, behind the big 4 -- to me all the other albums are well behind the top 5.
Punk? Not punk? What's the difference, the songs are still amazing. But to that topic, to those that say no punk, I think they are missing a big part of what punk is ... first of all, this gets lumped in as 'punk' because it was highly publicized in the press at that time, as the Stones answer to punk. In addition, punk is not only about he fast paced songs (and how could you possibly deny that with Whip, Lies, Respectable) but it is also about the attitude, anti-establishment, deviating from the norm ... if that doesn't describe the Stones to you, then I would say read up more about their history. The Stone were truly punk before that word even had its meaning in terms of music.
Yes, in a sense, they were. And then, for the past four decades are so, they've been the poster children for corporate rock!
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Their last great album. Tattoo You was good, but the first side ain't that much, and the second side was from all over the 70s.
Some Girls was their last great album triumph. The sounds work as a unit, along with that swirly sound that blends it all together. I think that's why the bonus cuts from that time, though good, simply don't fit on this particular work of art. It's the last time we get that fresh off the presses look into the Stones' world, which at this time had reached its scandalous peak with the Toronto bust and tales of debauchery with the Prime Minister's wife. They were the Greatest Pop Band In The World again, with Disco, Punk, a Motown cover, Chucky Berry licks and a bluesy Beast of Burden all over the charts.
This would be the last time a themed tour really dug deep into an album. And it was the peak of the Wood/Richards guitar combo, and damn Bill and Charlie were hot. It was the return of the Stones, their TRUE 'best album since Exile'. They would never again be this tight. They would never again achieve success in establishing an over all theme. Their last great summer album that everybody loved.
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It's hard to put into words what this album still means to me to this day ... it was my intro to the Stones and I've never turned back! Every song is classic Stones, to me. I always say this is #5, behind the big 4 -- to me all the other albums are well behind the top 5.
Punk? Not punk? What's the difference, the songs are still amazing. But to that topic, to those that say no punk, I think they are missing a big part of what punk is ... first of all, this gets lumped in as 'punk' because it was highly publicized in the press at that time, as the Stones answer to punk. In addition, punk is not only about he fast paced songs (and how could you possibly deny that with Whip, Lies, Respectable) but it is also about the attitude, anti-establishment, deviating from the norm ... if that doesn't describe the Stones to you, then I would say read up more about their history. The Stone were truly punk before that word even had its meaning in terms of music.
Yes, in a sense, they were. And then, for the past four decades are so, they've been the poster children for corporate rock!
And compare that to the so-called true punk bands, Sex Pistols, Clash, Ramones. Stones rebellious run lasted much longer then any of them. Clash, Ramones, they turned pop pretty quickly, and Pistols didn't even last for a 2nd album.
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Don't know why this album always gets the conversation onto punk
Nothing from punk comes close to Some Girls
Couple of tracks loosely sound kind of punk, so what
Beast Of Burden, Miss you, Just My imagination, BTMMR, Far Away Eyes, punk my ass
Have you ever actually listened to NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS, HERE'S THE SEX PISTOLS, or the first Clash record, or anything by The Stooges?
This, for example, is better than anything on SOME GIRLS:
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Of course i have
I know it all dude, i even bought the T shirt
Don't get on your high horse with me
The sex pistols are a joke, but that's my opinion and i'm entitled to it
the whole point of the sex pistols was always that it was a joke. but their (only) album is definitely a great document of the punk movement.
i view the clash as the quintessential punk rock band, much more to say and play than what the sex pistols had going on.
Yes, The Clash was the best punk band; NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS the best punk album.
Pleased you have calmed down a bit lol
I have to admit i love all that stuff, i still get exited by the pistols and the clash, i just don't take the pistols seriously as musicians.
You cant really compare them to the Stones
Its like comparing the Stones to the Eagles i guess
We enjoy the Stones more but hell the Eagles are better musicians technically.
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Don't know why this album always gets the conversation onto punk
Nothing from punk comes close to Some Girls
Couple of tracks loosely sound kind of punk, so what
Beast Of Burden, Miss you, Just My imagination, BTMMR, Far Away Eyes, punk my ass
Have you ever actually listened to NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS, HERE'S THE SEX PISTOLS, or the first Clash record, or anything by The Stooges?
This, for example, is better than anything on SOME GIRLS:
[www.youtube.com]
Of course i have
I know it all dude, i even bought the T shirt
Don't get on your high horse with me
The sex pistols are a joke, but that's my opinion and i'm entitled to it
the whole point of the sex pistols was always that it was a joke. but their (only) album is definitely a great document of the punk movement.
i view the clash as the quintessential punk rock band, much more to say and play than what the sex pistols had going on.
Yes, The Clash was the best punk band; NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS the best punk album.
Pleased you have calmed down a bit lol
I have to admit i love all that stuff, i still get exited by the pistols and the clash, i just don't take the pistols seriously as musicians.
You cant really compare them to the Stones
Its like comparing the Stones to the Eagles i guess
We enjoy the Stones more but hell the Eagles are better musicians technically.
Thankfully, as a non-musician, all I have to worry about is what engages my head and what touches my heart! Besides, if The Eagles are better technically than The Stones but we like The Stones better, doesn't it follow that if The Stones are better technically than the Pistols, we should like The Pistols better?
I have found over the years that not only in pop music, but also even in jazz and classical, technique is not everything. It's very, very important, and there's nothing wrong with being technically great. But music, like any art form, has to first of all COMMUNICATE. It has to resonate, touch, move. Sometimes having "technique" can help in that process; and sometimes it can get in the way, I think.
As fans of The Stones, I'm pretty sure we all know how much more important groove and soul and heart is than anything else! You can't fake those things.
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Punk? Not punk? What's the difference, the songs are still amazing. But to that topic, to those that say no punk, I think they are missing a big part of what punk is ... first of all, this gets lumped in as 'punk' because it was highly publicized in the press at that time, as the Stones answer to punk. In addition, punk is not only about he fast paced songs (and how could you possibly deny that with Whip, Lies, Respectable) but it is also about the attitude, anti-establishment, deviating from the norm ... if that doesn't describe the Stones to you, then I would say read up more about their history. The Stone were truly punk before that word even had its meaning in terms of music.
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Punk? Not punk? What's the difference, the songs are still amazing. But to that topic, to those that say no punk, I think they are missing a big part of what punk is ... first of all, this gets lumped in as 'punk' because it was highly publicized in the press at that time, as the Stones answer to punk. In addition, punk is not only about he fast paced songs (and how could you possibly deny that with Whip, Lies, Respectable) but it is also about the attitude, anti-establishment, deviating from the norm ... if that doesn't describe the Stones to you, then I would say read up more about their history. The Stone were truly punk before that word even had its meaning in terms of music.
These attributes are not the sole property of punk. They are coming from a different place.
I am very aware of history, The Rolling Stones were not punk, just as Robert Johnson, john Coltrane, Jerry lee lewis, jimi hendrix etc were not punk.
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A great album. It's actually still growing on me.
The only song I cannot stand on it is Faraway Eyes: People trying to be funny are never funny.
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LeonidP
Yes, you've said. But just saying it over and over doesn't make it so.
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Neil didn't follow his own advice, and thankfully so.
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LeonidP
Yes, you've said. But just saying it over and over doesn't make it so.
Same goes for you and reviews saying they are punk. ><
The Some Girls supposed attempts at punk essentially just ended up being pop/rock songs.
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LeonidP
Yes, you've said. But just saying it over and over doesn't make it so.
Same goes for you and reviews saying they are punk. ><
The Some Girls supposed attempts at punk essentially just ended up being pop/rock songs.
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LeonidP
I'm not saying they were punk. Certainly they weren't.
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And that going by the definition of what punk is (or what it was about), the Stones fell into that category for their first 12-15 years or so, before that ever had a definition.
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From a musical point of view "She Said Yeah" is as "punkie" as can be.
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From a musical point of view "She Said Yeah" is as "punkie" as can be.
Far from it.
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LeonidP
I'm not saying they were punk. Certainly they weren't.
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And that going by the definition of what punk is (or what it was about), the Stones fell into that category for their first 12-15 years or so, before that ever had a definition.
Make yer mind up.
Loads of musicians have been rebellious etc before and after them and like The Rolling Stones they were not punk...
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LeonidP
Punk is not only about he fast paced songs but it is also about the attitude, anti-establishment, deviating from the norm ... if that doesn't describe the Stones to you, then I would say read up more about their history...
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HMS
Well, please explain your opinion a little further...
What is the difference between some punk song and the way the played "She Said Yeah"?
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I've posted the story of the first time I heard this album a few times, I think.
I was living in a farfetched place where the media were heavily censored. Once a month one late-night radio program
would play an album in its entirety. So we were lying in bed in the dark and this album came on
like a huge brilliantly-hued gloriously exotic wild & muscular bird soaring and swooping around the room
in stunning magnificence. Breathtaking!
No one had expected that! Especially given all that the band had been going through.
Just absolutely glorious. Pile it up - pile it high on the platter - speechless.
I love the Rolling Stones
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Well, please explain your opinion a little further...
What is the difference between some punk song and the way the played "She Said Yeah"?
I would certainly include songs like She Said Yeah in the proto-punk category. Musically the similarities are obvious. Philosophically the anti-establishment values of punk can also be seen in mid-sixties Stones. People can be pretty narrow in their personal definitions of music genres but when you explore the roots of most genres the cross pollination is more obvious.
I mean what was the first punk song ever played? Did it just not exist one day and some kids in a garage somewhere decide to speed up and shorten some rock song, scream anti-establishment lyrics and walla, a new genre was born? I think their process was probably closer to what the Stones were thinking when they played She Said Yeah and they just decided to stick with it and create whole sets of it.
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Again, you're fixated on a term that wasn't defined in their era, and not comprehending what I'm saying.