Tell Me :
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A coin flip of dimensions!
And they were right
That, I agree with
All those albums are poorer than SG
But they are indeed great. Dire Straits so so...
Mick and the stones didn't have punk attitude. More to the music than just three chords.
I could hear, feel and see the attitude within and without the music, you can't. Let's leave it at that
Then, you really misunderstand The Rolling Stones AND the punk rock movement.
What you hear, feel and see is Mick trying to be punk, to bring the punk attitude in to the music, but he never got beyond humourous imitation.
Comedy stuff.
If punk rock was a JCB, giMick's attempts at it was a Tonka toy.
Hmm...
How convincing Mick was is surely not up to you to decide
Oh dear.
Anyone that has a clue knows his attempts at punk were just comical. It's obvious why he had a hard time with Keith about it.
It's not the point whether it was comical or not. You're now admitting that there indeed was an attempt of punk. Thank you - finally...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-31 12:12 by DandelionPowderman.
Um, I never said there wasn't. Mick tried, but failed, ended up just rockier with ridiculous vocals. Thus, even when he tried he still couldn't be punk.
I never said it was pure punk. They were influenced by it, and you think so, too - no matter if they succeeded or not. I'm happy
Mick was influenced by it, but the influence didn't result in Mick being punk though, just ridiculous.
Good that you are happy that there was nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-31 12:26 by His Majesty.
I'm happy that you are finally also acknowledging that they were influenced by it, and that it was evident in their music, like I said
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-31 12:28 by DandelionPowderman.
Finally? Are you drunk? There was never a debate about whether it influenced Mick circa Some Girls.
No one has disputed that Mick tried... but, there's nothing really punk about the reults. Thus, nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
...except She Said Yeah.
No, that isn't punk.
Go and play a recorder lick, or something... You wouldn't spot a punk vibe if it hit you in the face
Only because punk wasn´t invented yet by the time the Stones recorded She Said Yeah.
No, not only because of that.
Is this humour or are you actually delusional?
You know me. A bit of both, probably..
Nope, but as Close as Stones can come...
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Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 10:37
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Nobody claimed they were pure punk.
The original debate I think was naturalist saying some girls had a heavy punk influence and dandelion and me saying that it was just stonesy rock n roll and that to an extent their rock had always sounded a bit like punk.
A coin flip of dimensions!
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 10:37
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No, you're not, at all, but nothing more to say here.
They simply weren't punk, they were a different kind of rebellion etc.
For you..
They just wanted to play the blues and do their own thing. That's not the same as punks of the 70's. So no, not just for me.
They wanted to play faster and louder, not just to play the blues, according to Mick. That's obvious when we listen to the music. Add that to their history of utilising musical trends, which they also did here - both musically and visually.
That's why many of us feel the punk influence on SG, and that's for us to decide.
No safety pins, mohawks or hair dye. But a clear influence, different than previous ones.
Well, we did get a DESTROY t-shirt and a swastika:
"And so at this concert, we witness the unseemly spectacle of Mick Jagger parading around in a t-shirt with the word DESTROY atop a swastika. (Back then, even provincial squares would have picked up on the shirt's punk rock style; today, Jagger would be accused of being a Nazi sympathizer.) The thing is, Michael Philip Jagger was born during World War II; the swastika had a much different significance to his generation than to the punks, precisely why the latter used it to twit their elders, thereby setting themselves apart from them. It's one thing for Sid Vicious to sport a swastika, but when Mick Jagger does it, it's a calculating and somewhat desperate pose. For the Rolling Stones, the writing wasn't just on the wall, it was on Mick Jagger's chest."
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Did people interpret the message on that t-shirt as a nazi supporting shirt at the time?
I find that hard to believe since the swastika was crossed out and the word "destroy" was over it.
Obviously, it was some kind of fashion at the time..
No, I don't think people saw it as pro-Nazi. Some people did see it as wanna-be punk posing by a 35-year-old multimillionaire!
And they were right
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 10:38
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They wanted to play faster and louder, not just to play the blues, according to Mick. That's obvious when we listen to the music. Add that to their history of utilising musical trends, which they also did here - both musically and visually.
That's why many of us feel the punk influence on SG, and that's for us to decide.
No safety pins, mohawks or hair dye. But a clear influence, different than previous ones.
I was on about the early years onbviously.
No one is denying there was influence on Some Girls, but it was mostly on gimMick. It's just that the influence didn't make as much a mark as the "stones going punk" waffle auggests.
It's very telling, given the broad time scale this convo has covered, that Mick had trouble with Keith regarding the bringing in of the punk influences. So it proceeds as Mick's stones trying to be more punk, but essentially they end up just rocking things up a bit more and Mick ending up doing pantomine versions of punk vocals.
That, I agree with
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: August 31, 2015 11:16
You guys are funny talking so much about this pretty pale album that had a half shitty disco-hit as highlight ...
In addition to all the brilliant punk and reggae album from 1978, so also, debut album by Dire Staits, Kate Bush, Devo to name a few high points Bowie made Heroes and Costello This Years Model ... But as I said, Faraway Eyes and Just my imagination is really good ...
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In addition to all the brilliant punk and reggae album from 1978, so also, debut album by Dire Staits, Kate Bush, Devo to name a few high points Bowie made Heroes and Costello This Years Model ... But as I said, Faraway Eyes and Just my imagination is really good ...
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Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 11:20
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Come On
You guys are funny talking so much about this pretty pale album that had a half shitty disco-hit as highlight ...
In addition to all the brilliant punk and reggae album from 1978, so also, debut album by Dire Staits, Kate Bush, Devo to name a few high points Bowie made Heroes and Costello This Years Model ... But as I said, Faraway Eyes and Just my imagination is really good ...
All those albums are poorer than SG
But they are indeed great. Dire Straits so so...
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 11:29
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Funny guy that Mick.
So punk isn't about 99,99999% attitude?
The music is three chord rock
Mick and the stones didn't have punk attitude. More to the music than just three chords.
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Date: August 31, 2015 11:40
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Funny guy that Mick.
So punk isn't about 99,99999% attitude?
The music is three chord rock
Mick and the stones didn't have punk attitude. More to the music than just three chords.
I could hear, feel and see the attitude within and without the music, you can't. Let's leave it at that
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 11:49
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You guys are funny talking so much about this pretty pale album that had a half shitty disco-hit as highlight ...
In addition to all the brilliant punk and reggae album from 1978, so also, debut album by Dire Staits, Kate Bush, Devo to name a few high points Bowie made Heroes and Costello This Years Model ... But as I said, Faraway Eyes and Just my imagination is really good ...
All those albums are poorer than SG
But they are indeed great. Dire Straits so so...
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 31, 2015 11:57
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I could hear, feel and see the attitude within and without the music, you can't. Let's leave it at that
Then, you really misunderstand The Rolling Stones AND the punk rock movement.
What you hear, feel and see is Mick trying to be punk, to bring the punk attitude in to the music, but he never got beyond humourous imitation.
Comedy stuff.
If punk rock was a JCB, giMick's attempts at it was a Tonka toy.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:01
Closest to Punk from Stones must be 'She Said Yeah' or 'Rip this Joint'...two covers as you can see...
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Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:04
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Closest to Punk from Stones must be 'She Said Yeah' or 'Rip this Joint'...two covers as you can see...
Hmm...
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:05
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I could hear, feel and see the attitude within and without the music, you can't. Let's leave it at that
Then, you really misunderstand The Rolling Stones AND the punk rock movement.
What you hear, feel and see is Mick trying to be punk, to bring the punk attitude in to the music, but he never got beyond humourous imitation.
Comedy stuff.
If punk rock was a JCB, giMick's attempts at it was a Tonka toy.
How convincing Mick was is surely not up to you to decide
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:06
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Come On
Closest to Punk from Stones must be 'She Said Yeah' or 'Rip this Joint'...two covers as you can see...
Oh dear.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:08
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How convincing Mick was is surely not up to you to decide
Anyone that has a clue knows his attempts at punk were just comical. It's obvious why he had a hard time with Keith about it.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:11
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How convincing Mick was is surely not up to you to decide
Anyone that has a clue knows his attempts at punk were just comical. It's obvious why he had a hard time with Keith about it.
It's not the point whether it was comical or not. You're now admitting that there indeed was an attempt of punk. Thank you - finally...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-31 12:12 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:15
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It's not the point whether it was comical or not. You're now admitting that there indeed was an attempt of punk. Thank you - finally...
Um, I never said there wasn't. Mick tried, but failed, ended up just rockier with ridiculous vocals. Thus, even when he tried he still couldn't be punk.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:17
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It's not the point whether it was comical or not. You're now admitting that there indeed was an attempt of punk. Thank you - finally...
Um, I never said there wasn't. Mick tried, but failed, ended up just rockier with ridiculous vocals. Thus, even when he tried he still couldn't be punk.
I never said it was pure punk. They were influenced by it, and you think so, too - no matter if they succeeded or not. I'm happy
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:25
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I never said it was pure punk. They were influenced by it, and you think so, too - no matter if they succeeded or not. I'm happy
Mick was influenced by it, but the influence didn't result in Mick being punk though, just ridiculous.
Good that you are happy that there was nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
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Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:28
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I never said it was pure punk. They were influenced by it, and you think so, too - no matter if they succeeded or not. I'm happy
Mick was influenced by it, but the influence didn't result in Mick being punk though, just ridiculous.
Good that you are happy that there was nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
I'm happy that you are finally also acknowledging that they were influenced by it, and that it was evident in their music, like I said
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-31 12:28 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:36
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I'm happy that you are finally also acknowledging that they were influenced by it
Finally? Are you drunk? There was never a debate about whether it influenced Mick circa Some Girls.
No one has disputed that Mick tried... but, there's nothing really punk about the reults. Thus, nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:46
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Thus, nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
...except She Said Yeah.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:48
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Thus, nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
...except She Said Yeah.
No, that isn't punk.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:51
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I'm happy that you are finally also acknowledging that they were influenced by it
Finally? Are you drunk? There was never a debate about whether it influenced Mick circa Some Girls.
No one has disputed that Mick tried... but, there's nothing really punk about the reults. Thus, nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
Go and play a recorder lick, or something... You wouldn't spot a punk vibe if it hit you in the face
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
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Date: August 31, 2015 12:57
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Thus, nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
...except She Said Yeah.
No, that isn't punk.
Only because punk wasn´t invented yet by the time the Stones recorded She Said Yeah.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 13:03
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Only because punk wasn´t invented yet by the time the Stones recorded She Said Yeah.
No, not only because of that.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 31, 2015 13:07
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Go and play a recorder lick, or something... You wouldn't spot a punk vibe if it hit you in the face
Is this humour or are you actually delusional?
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
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Date: August 31, 2015 13:11
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Go and play a recorder lick, or something... You wouldn't spot a punk vibe if it hit you in the face
Is this humour or are you actually delusional?
You know me. A bit of both, probably..
Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
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Date: August 31, 2015 13:40
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Thus, nothing punk about The Rolling Stones.
...except She Said Yeah.
No, that isn't punk.
Nope, but as Close as Stones can come...
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Re: ALBUM TALK: Some Girls
Posted by:
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Date: August 31, 2015 15:11
I am starting to think His Majesty and HMS are the same person, just arguing amongst himself to get a rise out of the rest of us ;-))
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