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Yes, it would have been awesome to have both Steven and Izzy there but they aren't what is putting bodies in the seats for $100+.
Either are Axl and Slash though are they? Some venues have been half empty.....
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strat72
This tour was always about the cash......Anyone who thought that Izzy and Adler chose not to be on this tour is a moron. Axl/Slash/Duff wanted to split the cash three ways, not five. What a joke of a band.......
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This tour was always about the cash......Anyone who thought that Izzy and Adler chose not to be on this tour is a moron. Axl/Slash/Duff wanted to split the cash three ways, not five. What a joke of a band.......
You think Slash and Duff are getting an equal cut?
Slash is going broke and needs this more than anyone. Izzy took care of his money so he doesn't have to be forced to take a bad deal.
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strat72
This tour was always about the cash......Anyone who thought that Izzy and Adler chose not to be on this tour is a moron. Axl/Slash/Duff wanted to split the cash three ways, not five. What a joke of a band.......
You think Slash and Duff are getting an equal cut?
Slash is going broke and needs this more than anyone. Izzy took care of his money so he doesn't have to be forced to take a bad deal.
Define "going broke"
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Kurt
Izzy deserves way better than this.
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keefriffhard4life
don't post facts here
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This tour was always about the cash......Anyone who thought that Izzy and Adler chose not to be on this tour is a moron. Axl/Slash/Duff wanted to split the cash three ways, not five. What a joke of a band.......
You think Slash and Duff are getting an equal cut?
Slash is going broke and needs this more than anyone. Izzy took care of his money so he doesn't have to be forced to take a bad deal.
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keefriffhard4life
don't post facts here
The fact is that some concerts have been far from sold out. That's not my opinion, it's the plain simple truth. The second Chicago show had the whole upper tier empty. A bit of a flop considering how long they have been away. They still made $ because of the rip off prices though.
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LieB
Cool picture. Interesting to think about all the things that happened around Guns 'n' Roses at that time, in such a short period. No one knew that soon Steven and Izzy would be out of the group and in another four years Slash as well.
Mick and Keith look so young in that picture, yet they were considered very old and experienced by rock 'n' roll standards at that time.
Funny, they were actually younger then (47 years old) compared to the Guns guys today (who are all over 50).
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keefriff99
It reduces drama to just split the money evenly, but it is that REALLY fair in situations where you've got one or two guys who write all the music, do the interviews, provide the "big" personalities for a band, and do the heavy lifting for onstage performance (as opposed to standing by a drum riser all night holding down a beat)?
Thoughts?
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keefriff99
It reduces drama to just split the money evenly, but it is that REALLY fair in situations where you've got one or two guys who write all the music, do the interviews, provide the "big" personalities for a band, and do the heavy lifting for onstage performance (as opposed to standing by a drum riser all night holding down a beat)?
Thoughts?
I've dealt with a lot of mouthbreathers on that issue in regards to the Eagles. A lot of them take Don Felder's side, demonize Henley and Frey for terminating him, and call the History of the Eagles documentary as a hatchet job to take vengeance on Felder.
I've constantly told them the truth: Felder is a whiny, manipulative scumbag who couldn't deal with change after the Hell Freezes Over tour, and kept trying to weasel his way into money he didn't deserve. Joe Walsh and Timothy B. Schmit have confirmed this, and have had no problem with the financial arrangement, since they just wanted to play together and knew they were still making a great deal of money, and resented Felder's self-serving explanation of "I'm doing this for all of us: us three, Randy and Bernie," knowing it made no sense. It is a shame, though, that Frey died with resentment still at full bore.
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It reduces drama to just split the money evenly, but it is that REALLY fair in situations where you've got one or two guys who write all the music, do the interviews, provide the "big" personalities for a band, and do the heavy lifting for onstage performance (as opposed to standing by a drum riser all night holding down a beat)?
Thoughts?
I've dealt with a lot of mouthbreathers on that issue in regards to the Eagles. A lot of them take Don Felder's side, demonize Henley and Frey for terminating him, and call the History of the Eagles documentary as a hatchet job to take vengeance on Felder.
I've constantly told them the truth: Felder is a whiny, manipulative scumbag who couldn't deal with change after the Hell Freezes Over tour, and kept trying to weasel his way into money he didn't deserve. Joe Walsh and Timothy B. Schmit have confirmed this, and have had no problem with the financial arrangement, since they just wanted to play together and knew they were still making a great deal of money, and resented Felder's self-serving explanation of "I'm doing this for all of us: us three, Randy and Bernie," knowing it made no sense. It is a shame, though, that Frey died with resentment still at full bore.
i thought felders complaint was that henley/frey tried to change a contract felder had signed.
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keefriffhard4life
what does don and glenn having successful solo careers have to do with the eagles? felder is right. thats like stevie nicks saying she deserves more money from fleetwood mac because she was the biggest solo star. n top of that freys solo sales in the usa are less than 4 million total and thats 5 studio albums 1 live album and a hits collection. imo not very successful
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As has been pointed out, the Felder issue is not so cut and dry. Yes, as you say, he didn't write the songs and he wasn't the face of the band. But the stuff in Felder's corner is not nothing. He was arguing because he WAS part of the original split when they created their company. So to take him out, whether rightly or wrongly, makes sense that he'd fight over that. Plus, Frey has a lot of luck that he wrote the Eagles songs and was one of the frontman, because his solo career was atrocious. To say "I deserve more money" based off that is laughable because his solo career is downright embarrassing. So Felder has more than enough points. Just cause Joe and Timothy don't have the balls to argue it doesn't mean Felder is wrong. So calling people mouthbreathers is frankly stupid. You obviously have your opinion but it isn't the law and its not cut and dry.
The Stevie Nicks comparison is a good one. She may be the biggest star in the band, but she's not automatically right to ask for more money. She didn't start the band. She may be 10 times the star of Mick Fleetwood, but there'd be no band for her to join if not for him and John. When you're in Fleetwood Mac, you all get paid the same. If you think you're a big enough star, go tour on your own and fill venues that way and rake in the dough, which is exactly what Stevie Nicks is doing right now. As I've mentioned, Steven Tyler always says he deserves more than the rest of Aerosmith. Steven, you may 100% right but Aerosmith is all original members and they all do their work. If you think you deserve more, tour on your own and make money that way. But you alone are not the Aerosmith name, or it would be called Steven Tyler's Aerosmith, and even though you have fair points, its an even split because its a band.
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Felder has more than enough points. Just cause Joe and Timothy don't have the balls to argue it doesn't mean Felder is wrong.Quote
Joe and Timothy have said they were happy with the new arrangement and blasted Felder for his actions, calling him greedy and self-aggrandizing. Far from not having the balls, they eagerly defended the new arrangement and pointed out that they were still receiving a lot of money regardless and could still live very comfortable lives. It's basically like the South Park episode of Faith+1 and MOOP, where the cop tells Stan, Kyle and Kenny that lack of CD sales mean that celebrities can't get private islands or the most recent private jet.
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Felder has more than enough points. Just cause Joe and Timothy don't have the balls to argue it doesn't mean Felder is wrong.I get it, but Joe and Tim were never part of the original company Felder was. Felder is NOT an original member, but he was a full member of their corporation that they created in 1975, along with Bernie and Randy, before Joe and Tim joined the band. So yes, I get that Felder would have made more than enough money, like Joe and Tim are now, but his thing was more a matter of principle. Was it stupid? Perhaps, and maybe outright yes. But I get what he's arguing. He's arguing for something Joe and Tim weren't even apart of, so their say doesn't actually mean much.Quote
Joe and Timothy have said they were happy with the new arrangement and blasted Felder for his actions, calling him greedy and self-aggrandizing. Far from not having the balls, they eagerly defended the new arrangement and pointed out that they were still receiving a lot of money regardless and could still live very comfortable lives. It's basically like the South Park episode of Faith+1 and MOOP, where the cop tells Stan, Kyle and Kenny that lack of CD sales mean that celebrities can't get private islands or the most recent private jet.
Tim is just happy to be there and would probably pay for pennies if its what they offered him. Joe seems like a pretty easy going guy and does fine with and without the Eagles. He'll make enough money cause they need him, but I think he also knows his place as a non-original member and the third "face" of the band. Felder should probably feel the same way, but I get what he's arguing which is why its not so cut and dry. Felder has a point even if its not the smartest to argue. I personally think its less about greed and more about holding Don and Glenn to what they all originally agreed upon, even though greed is certainly part of it too, and I like that he holds them to that even if he lost. Especially when there argument was then that Frey and Henley kept the name alive, which pointed out the laughable career Frey had till coming back to the Eagles.