For information about how to use this forum please check out forum help and policies.
Quote
keefriffhards
At What point do you think Mick Jagger took control over running the band.
From a standpoint of who is boss within the Stones, it would appear that Mick and Keith have equal percentages. Some decisions have been diplomatic in the past, with the band having a one man one vote process on choosing singles for release etc.
But what seems evident for a considerable time now is that Mick decides if they are going to make an album or not, or if they going to tour or not.
Also what songs they will play each night on tour.
Basically why did Keith give up his equal status in the Jagger Richards collaboration.
Was it anything for a quite life on Keith's part, was it a case of i cant make him sing what he don't like. But surely the same could be said about playing guitar on something you don't like. Was it a case of its Mick's way or the high way !!
Quote
stonesrule
Mick did not choose to "take over". No one else in the band even thought about
"being the "go-to guy." They each saw Mick as being the most capable to deal with Allen Klein, for example, and as someone they could trust. Keith, for example, didn't want to get all the phone calls dealing with the "day to day stuff." Jagger had, for a time, attended the London School of
Economics until the Rolling Stones became a band to be reckoned with. His parents had always felt strongly about him having a "good education."
Individual members looked at every contract that dealt with "income" but not
necessarily with studying bills, tour expenses etc. They had personal lawyers when they deemed it necessary but did not want to be bothered with "band stuff" on a weekly basis.
Jagger in effect became a manager but never really referred to himself in this way to the band. And he was not paid a fee or percentage as "real" managers receive.
Quote
stonesrule
Mick did not choose to "take over". No one else in the band even thought about
"being the "go-to guy." They each saw Mick as being the most capable to deal with Allen Klein, for example, and as someone they could trust. Keith, for example, didn't want to get all the phone calls dealing with the "day to day stuff." Jagger had, for a time, attended the London School of
Economics until the Rolling Stones became a band to be reckoned with. His parents had always felt strongly about him having a "good education."
Individual members looked at every contract that dealt with "income" but not
necessarily with studying bills, tour expenses etc. They had personal lawyers when they deemed it necessary but did not want to be bothered with "band stuff" on a weekly basis.
Jagger in effect became a manager but never really referred to himself in this way to the band. And he was not paid a fee or percentage as "real" managers receive.
Quote
Rockman
Have The stones ever been under control ?????????????
Quote
Cristiano RadtkeQuote
Rockman
Have The stones ever been under control ?????????????
I always thought they were Out of Control.
Quote
NaturalustQuote
stonesrule
Mick did not choose to "take over". No one else in the band even thought about
"being the "go-to guy." They each saw Mick as being the most capable to deal with Allen Klein, for example, and as someone they could trust. Keith, for example, didn't want to get all the phone calls dealing with the "day to day stuff." Jagger had, for a time, attended the London School of
Economics until the Rolling Stones became a band to be reckoned with. His parents had always felt strongly about him having a "good education."
Individual members looked at every contract that dealt with "income" but not
necessarily with studying bills, tour expenses etc. They had personal lawyers when they deemed it necessary but did not want to be bothered with "band stuff" on a weekly basis.
Jagger in effect became a manager but never really referred to himself in this way to the band. And he was not paid a fee or percentage as "real" managers receive.
There is some interesting stuff in Stanley Booth's book that indicates Mick was the go to guy in 1969 but also some stuff that indicates he was rather cavalier about it all. Obviously he has grown into the role with promoters like Michael Cohl saying they have never seen an artist who was so interested and involved in the minute detail of the business dealings.
I wonder does Mick even have a personal manager? Keith has Jane Rose but I've never heard of anyone managing Mick at that level, at least since Jane Rose left him for Keith. You get the feeling with a couple good lawyers to keep everything legal that Jagger is a force to be reckoned with and one of the best managers in the business.
Goats head soup before thatQuote
Title5Take1
I love that photo of all the Stones on the cover of TATTOO YO... oh, wait.
Quote
Naturalust
I wonder does Mick even have a personal manager? Keith has Jane Rose but I've never heard of anyone managing Mick at that level, at least since Jane Rose left him for Keith. You get the feeling with a couple good lawyers to keep everything legal that Jagger is a force to be reckoned with and one of the best managers in the business.
Quote
OllyQuote
Naturalust
I wonder does Mick even have a personal manager? Keith has Jane Rose but I've never heard of anyone managing Mick at that level, at least since Jane Rose left him for Keith. You get the feeling with a couple good lawyers to keep everything legal that Jagger is a force to be reckoned with and one of the best managers in the business.
Depends on your exact definition, but he will have someone; it's possible that someone at Marathon Music takes on the role.
Although I've been a student of Law in the past, I've no idea exactly what a Lawyer employed by someone like Jagger would have responsibility for. It's possible they could fulfil part of the role, but that would still leave a lot of administrative and other work for Jagger: who books the cars and planes and arranges where and what time to meet for his various projects and engagements? Not a Lawyer...
Quote
NaturalustQuote
OllyQuote
Naturalust
I wonder does Mick even have a personal manager? Keith has Jane Rose but I've never heard of anyone managing Mick at that level, at least since Jane Rose left him for Keith. You get the feeling with a couple good lawyers to keep everything legal that Jagger is a force to be reckoned with and one of the best managers in the business.
Depends on your exact definition, but he will have someone; it's possible that someone at Marathon Music takes on the role.
Although I've been a student of Law in the past, I've no idea exactly what a Lawyer employed by someone like Jagger would have responsibility for. It's possible they could fulfil part of the role, but that would still leave a lot of administrative and other work for Jagger: who books the cars and planes and arranges where and what time to meet for his various projects and engagements? Not a Lawyer...
I would consider what you describe as a personal assistant, which I'm sure Mick has at times. Managers are the ones who usually line up new work, projects and business deals and take a significant percentage of all earnings to do so. The lines probably get a bit blurred with someone like Jane Rose who probably employs personal assistants of her own and provides services above and beyond that of a typical Manager.
Obviously Mick uses lawyers to do unpleasant work like call Taylor and tell him he's not guesting on the Zip Code Tour.
Quote
keefriffhards
Mick decides if they are going to make an album or not, or if they going to tour or not.
Also what songs they will play each night on tour.
Basically why did Keith give up his equal status in the Jagger Richards collaboration.
Quote
gotdablouse
...and that would be the Stones' Director of Business Affairs whose name escapes me now but she's credited son SSS (and Live at the Marquee) as a co-executive producer. She's also the one who set the prices for the O2 shows and got a choir involved according to an article in the Times (Guardian?)...oh and designed TShirts for these shows too apparently!
Quote
duke richardson
especially decisions about recording or touring. if Charlie wasn't into it, they wouldn't do it, generally..
so he kind of de facto runs the band..
Quote
duke richardson
it still has always been about the band, and Jagger knows it.
he might have been more interested than anyone else in the band in business matters, but don't forget-
Bill Wyman was quite likely the more astute businessman in the Rolling Stones, yet his input was marginalized.
And no decisions regarding what they undertook as a band were ever unilateral,
especially decisions about recording or touring. if Charlie wasn't into it, they wouldn't do it, generally..
so he kind of de facto runs the band..
Quote
NaturalustQuote
duke richardson
it still has always been about the band, and Jagger knows it.
he might have been more interested than anyone else in the band in business matters, but don't forget-
Bill Wyman was quite likely the more astute businessman in the Rolling Stones, yet his input was marginalized.
And no decisions regarding what they undertook as a band were ever unilateral,
especially decisions about recording or touring. if Charlie wasn't into it, they wouldn't do it, generally..
so he kind of de facto runs the band..
In that respect though, if any of them aren't into recording or touring it's not going to happen. I get the feeling decisions are made as a group in those infamous band meetings, with the 4 key members each getting a vote. What would be interesting to know is how they resolve tie votes. Perhaps Jagger as CEO has the power to do so, who knows.