I never forgave Dick Taylor for leaving!


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I never forgave Dick Taylor for leaving!

I never forgave Ronnie for staying !!
Only kidding

Or Carlo Little!

Come to think of it i never forgave any of them for not turning up for my 50th birthday bash

There would have been more to forgive had he stayed.

Wyman's time had come and it would have been to the detriment of all concerned had he betrayed his intuition and remained with the band.

There is a telling incident in Live at the Max that foreshadowed Wyman's departure. During 'Street Fighting Man' there is a moment, seen at 0:47 in the video on the band's YouTube Channel, when Wyman is grimacing at playing; exerting himself in a way that suggests he is not enjoying himself as much as he would like to.

Let the man be; there is nothing to forgive. Besides, without his exit, the band may not have reached their decade-long peak as a live act which began the year following his departure. Wyman and Jones are undoubtedly different players, but the latter is the perfect bass player for The Rolling Stones.

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Olly.

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There would have been more to forgive had he stayed.

Wyman's time had come and it would have been to the detriment of all concerned had he betrayed his intuition and remained with the band.

There is a telling incident in Live at the Max that foreshadowed Wyman's departure. During 'Street Fighting Man' there is a moment, seen at 0:47 in the video on the band's YouTube Channel, when Wyman is grimacing at playing; exerting himself in a way that suggests he is not enjoying himself as much as he would like to.

Let the man be; there is nothing to forgive. Besides, without his exit, the band may not have reached their decade-long peak as a live act which began the year following his departure. Wyman and Jones are undoubtedly different players, but the latter is the perfect bass player for The Rolling Stones.

if you are in close touch with people in the wyman camp (naturalist knows what i mean) and are saying he wants us to let him be, i will. i think he secretly enjoys knowing that he is missed however.

During 'Street Fighting Man' there is a moment, seen at 0:47 in the video on the band's YouTube Channel, when Wyman is grimacing at playing; exerting himself in a way that suggests he is not enjoying himself as much as he would like to.

Awwww come on Olly .. ya better not start studying the faces of guitar players when they're working



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There is a telling incident in Live at the Max that foreshadowed Wyman's departure. During 'Street Fighting Man' there is a moment, seen at 0:47 in the video on the band's YouTube Channel, when Wyman is grimacing at playing; exerting himself in a way that suggests he is not enjoying himself as much as he would like to.

Olly if the grimace you are referring to is the one at 0:59 in the video below, I think you may be totally misinterpreting Bills expression. It actually looks to me as it he is actually getting into his own playing there at the start of the phrase in way that is quite characteristic of many rock guitarists (like Joe Walsh or even Ronnie). Not a common sight for Bill, of course, but it seems to me like just the opposite of what you describe.

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yes. bill has always grimaced.

It was probably just indigestion....

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There would have been more to forgive had he stayed.

Wyman's time had come and it would have been to the detriment of all concerned had he betrayed his intuition and remained with the band.

There is a telling incident in Live at the Max that foreshadowed Wyman's departure. During 'Street Fighting Man' there is a moment, seen at 0:47 in the video on the band's YouTube Channel, when Wyman is grimacing at playing; exerting himself in a way that suggests he is not enjoying himself as much as he would like to.

Let the man be; there is nothing to forgive. Besides, without his exit, the band may not have reached their decade-long peak as a live act which began the year following his departure. Wyman and Jones are undoubtedly different players, but the latter is the perfect bass player for The Rolling Stones.

Agreed Olly
BTW i didn't get a chance to return your post on the deleted thread the other night.
Hope you did not think i was ignoring you. Also you never had a chance to say what academic institutions you worked in. Forget who raised the question.
Its just interesting .
Please don't feel obliged to answer if you feel uneasy about it.

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Olly if the grimace you are referring to is the one at 0:59 in the video below, I think you may be totally misinterpreting Bills expression. It actually looks to me as it he is actually getting into his own playing there at the start of the phrase in way that is quite characteristic of many rock guitarists (like Joe Walsh or even Ronnie). Not a common sight for Bill, of course, but it seems to me like just the opposite of what you describe.

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Yes, that's the one Naturalust. You may be right and the moment's singular nature may be the reason it stands out to me.

Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?

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Olly.



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Olly if the grimace you are referring to is the one at 0:59 in the video below, I think you may be totally misinterpreting Bills expression. It actually looks to me as it he is actually getting into his own playing there at the start of the phrase in way that is quite characteristic of many rock guitarists (like Joe Walsh or even Ronnie). Not a common sight for Bill, of course, but it seems to me like just the opposite of what you describe.

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Yes, that's the one Naturalust. You may be right and the monent's singular nature may be the reason it stands out to me.

Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?

it's possible he left the band because they kept doing weird stuff like instead of cutting the clips of him grimacing, they put the grimace clips in IMAX movies in theaters around the world....

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Olly if the grimace you are referring to is the one at 0:59 in the video below, I think you may be totally misinterpreting Bills expression. It actually looks to me as it he is actually getting into his own playing there at the start of the phrase in way that is quite characteristic of many rock guitarists (like Joe Walsh or even Ronnie). Not a common sight for Bill, of course, but it seems to me like just the opposite of what you describe.

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Yes, that's the one Naturalust. You may be right and the monent's singular nature may be the reason it stands out to me.

Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?

Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.

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Olly if the grimace you are referring to is the one at 0:59 in the video below, I think you may be totally misinterpreting Bills expression. It actually looks to me as it he is actually getting into his own playing there at the start of the phrase in way that is quite characteristic of many rock guitarists (like Joe Walsh or even Ronnie). Not a common sight for Bill, of course, but it seems to me like just the opposite of what you describe.

Yes, that's the one Naturalust. You may be right and the monent's singular nature may be the reason it stands out to me.

Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?

Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.

that's a very keith thing for keith to say... you know what i mean?

yes i know what you mean lol

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yes i know what you mean lol

if you look back at the old, old stones interviews (early and mid 60s) you can see keith just sitting there, saying nothing, and you can tell he's thinking "these are the dumbest questions i've ever heard, i can't believe this is what the press corps wants to ask us"

then he starts to say funny things, almost beatles style, making everyone laugh but also making fun of the stupid question.

my point is i think that when keith says stuff like that, and i include the latest quote about sgt pepper, it's kind of with a wink at the world of music fans and a knowing glance that says " ha ha these idiots will print anything i say, aren't they silly?". there's no doubt in my mind that the snorting his dad's ashes was a similar deal - he probably just wanted to see if someone would be crazy enough to print something like that.

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Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?

Probably not Olly. I sure wish he had stayed from a purely selfish musical perspective. I think he could have hung in there and gained considerable financial reward as well. They have really developed the business since he left, I can't imagine playing bass for the Rolling Stones would be so difficult to endure considering the benefits. I also think if he would have stuck it out he would really enjoy the current more sober band.

But the real question is did he think he made a wise decision. He says so but I also get the feeling he misses the adoration and excitement of touring with the Stones and is a bit too proud to ever discuss it with brutal honesty.

he misses the adoration and excitement of touring with the Stones and is a bit too proud to ever discuss it with brutal honesty.

YEP!!! ...



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Agreed Olly
BTW i didn't get a chance to return your post on the deleted thread the other night.
Hope you did not think i was ignoring you. Also you never had a chance to say what academic institutions you worked in. Forget who raised the question.
Its just interesting .
Please don't feel obliged to answer if you feel uneasy about it.

No problem, keefriffhards.

That post probably came across in the wrong light. For some reason I was slightly annoyed by some of the content of the discussion pertaining to 'the other place' and one comment in particular made over at 'the other place'. I only meant to say that of course nobody knows anybody on a site like this, and that anonymity can be both refreshing and infuriating.

It will be off topic, but to answer your question: I'm in my twenties so haven't worked at a huge number of Universities. I have been fortunate enough to work at the University of Cambridge in the past and to have been affiliated with several other Russell Group Universities, either as student or employee.

Apologies for posting off topic; I enjoyed the thread you started that encouraged members to get to know one-another more and this belongs there if anywhere at all.

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Olly.

That's cool Olly. Thanks

Olly, it's a shame that you haven't appreciated Bill's bass playing throughout the recordings. I highlight the Hampton 1981 concert as one example. I hope one day you give him his dues, I know he's not as exciting as Darryl Jones or technically as able but that isn't the be all and end all, it's about understanding the music and the mood, and Bill did that just fine.

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Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?

Probably not Olly. I sure wish he had stayed from a purely selfish musical perspective. I think he could have hung in there and gained considerable financial reward as well. They have really developed the business since he left, I can't imagine playing bass for the Rolling Stones would be so difficult to endure considering the benefits. I also think if he would have stuck it out he would really enjoy the current more sober band.

But the real question is did he think he made a wise decision. He says so but I also get the feeling he misses the adoration and excitement of touring with the Stones and is a bit too proud to ever discuss it with brutal honesty.

Yes, it's hard for me to imagine Wyman on the more recent Stones tours; perhaps because of his relatively advanced years and his general stage presence.

Regardless of Wyman's playing style or whether he was right to depart, I have to smile at the image of Wyman playing, stony-faced and sincere, with Jagger, downstage left, viciously attacking that grotesque inflatable beast's genitals during 'Street Fighting Man'... I suppose this image summarises one of the many polarities that characterise the band.

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Olly.

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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.

Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.

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Olly.

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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.

Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.

I can see why that other site peed you off a bit.
I just has a look and they think i am a moron.
well their right about something lol

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Olly, it's a shame that you haven't appreciated Bill's bass playing throughout the recordings. I highlight the Hampton 1981 concert as one example. I hope one day you give him his dues, I know he's not as exciting as Darryl Jones or technically as able but that isn't the be all and end all, it's about understanding the music and the mood, and Bill did that just fine.

Rollin92, I absolutely appreciate Wyman's bass playing, both on record and in concert.

I don't think Wyman has anything to be forgiven for in leaving, and in my opinion the Stones underwent something of a revival as a live act following his departure.

I've no criticism of Wyman's performance whilst he was in the band, but I feel Jones is probably a better fit for the band as it currently exists.

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Olly.

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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.

Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.

I imagine that Bill's alternate travel plans are greatly exaggerated by Keith.

And how would it have an impact on band dynamics anyway? Keith and Bill barely spoke to each other for decades, and I don't think The Glimmers were spending any time together really... unless you believe they're "thick as thieves" ...surely another gross exaggeration.

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Olly, it's a shame that you haven't appreciated Bill's bass playing throughout the recordings. I highlight the Hampton 1981 concert as one example. I hope one day you give him his dues, I know he's not as exciting as Darryl Jones or technically as able but that isn't the be all and end all, it's about understanding the music and the mood, and Bill did that just fine.

I'm pretty sure Olly was referring to the Vegas Stones...that's the one for which Darryl is perfect.

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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.

Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.

I can see why that other site peed you off a bit.
I just has a look and they think i am a moron.
well their right about something lol

And I was referred to as 'dense', so that makes two of us!

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Olly.

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I imagine that Bill's alternate travel plans are greatly exaggerated by Keith.

And how would it have an impact on band dynamics anyway? Keith and Bill barely spoke to each other for decades, and I don't think The Glimmers were spending any time together really... unless you believe they're "thick as thieves" ...surely another gross exaggeration.

Only in as much as I guess it will have ruffled a few feathers. I can only imagine the look on Richards' face when Wyman announced he was no longer keen on flying.

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Olly.