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Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Stoneburst ()
Date: July 25, 2015 12:29

Man, talk about threads jumping the shark...

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: July 25, 2015 13:21

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Olly
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
funniest thing i ever read!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-07-25 13:21 by LeonidP.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: July 25, 2015 13:22

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Stoneburst
Man, talk about threads jumping the shark...
1) no one was talking about threads jumping the shark
2) it didn't until that comment

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: LongBeachArena72 ()
Date: July 25, 2015 18:47

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Some people said the Stones were washed-up without Brian Jones, but they became more successful AFTER Brian Jones. AND the became even more successful AFTER Mick Taylor.

On the recent "Warhorses As of 2015" thread there seemed to be a relative consensus that the following could best be described as current "warhorses," i.e., the songs The Stones play at every gig, presumably to keep the arenas and stadia filled:

Satisfaction
Jumpin'Jack Flash
Sympathy For The Devil

Honky Tonk Women
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Brown Sugar
Tumbling Dice
Happy
It's Only Rock 'N Roll

Miss You
Start Me Up

8 of these 13 songs are Taylor-era, 3 are Brian-era, and 2 are Wood-era. By the measure of being able to produce songs they feel they need to play night in and night out, The Stones have become decidedly less successful since the Taylor era.

Admittedly, Taylor had very little to do with many of those "Taylor-era" warhorses.

It's really funny how people tend to include Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed in the Mick Taylor era. They should not, as you yourself admit as well. So:

Honky Tonk Women
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
You Can't Always Get What You Want

are actually from the only-Keith transition era. Also, I think the first version of IORR was actually with Ron Wood?

It would make more sense, dividing the songs in "Songs made when Mick and Keith still wrote together" and "The era when they came with their private songs to the studio". If you do that, indeed, you will see that their best work was done together.

The post is even worse than you suggest:

Wow. While I frequently disagree with your point of view, Turner, I think it is usually well-argued and interesting. This seems like a good point for me to jump off the board. I've had fun. Good luck and good health, all!

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: July 25, 2015 20:47

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LeonidP
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Olly
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
funniest thing i ever read!


You must be unfamiliar with the work of P.G. Wodehouse.

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Olly.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 26, 2015 14:15

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LeonidP
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Olly
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
funniest thing i ever read!

I agree with Olly . Its not funny, its fact. These were huge tours undertaken in the 90's. Record breaking back breaking tours. Soo many tour dates its just incredible the stamina they showed, and the level of good shows was very high.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: July 26, 2015 18:11

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Olly
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
funniest thing i ever read!

I agree with Olly . Its not funny, its fact. These were huge tours undertaken in the 90's. Record breaking back breaking tours. Soo many tour dates its just incredible the stamina they showed, and the level of good shows was very high.

2nd funniest thing i ever read!

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: July 26, 2015 18:20

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LeonidP
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Olly
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
funniest thing i ever read!

I agree with Olly . Its not funny, its fact. These were huge tours undertaken in the 90's. Record breaking back breaking tours. Soo many tour dates its just incredible the stamina they showed, and the level of good shows was very high.

2nd funniest thing i ever read!


If Wodehouse isn't of interest to you, may I recommend David Sedaris?

.....

Olly.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: July 26, 2015 18:29

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Olly
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Olly
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
funniest thing i ever read!

I agree with Olly . Its not funny, its fact. These were huge tours undertaken in the 90's. Record breaking back breaking tours. Soo many tour dates its just incredible the stamina they showed, and the level of good shows was very high.

2nd funniest thing i ever read!


If Wodehouse isn't of interest to you, may I recommend David Sedaris?

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams isn't bad either.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: July 26, 2015 18:34

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matxil

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams isn't bad either.


Perhaps an 'OT' thread on humorous literature is required, for the benefit of LeonidP.

.....

Olly.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: July 26, 2015 19:42

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matxil

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams isn't bad either.


Perhaps an 'OT' thread on humorous literature is required, for the benefit of LeonidP.


He doesn't need it...he thinks reality is hilarious

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Thrylan ()
Date: July 26, 2015 19:54

So do Harvey the "Pooka" and I.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: GJV ()
Date: July 26, 2015 21:42

The fact that the tours became bigger and bigger, doesn't mean it was the beginning of the band's finest (best) decade as a live act.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: July 26, 2015 21:51

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GJV
The fact that the tours became bigger and bigger, doesn't mean it was the beginning of the band's finest (best) decade as a live act.


True, but the unparalleled power, consistency, coherence, showmanship and overall quality do.

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Olly.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: July 26, 2015 21:53

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Olly
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
funniest thing i ever read!

its true

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Thrylan ()
Date: July 26, 2015 23:58

I'm not a Taylorite, but the band with Brian in any condition would not blaze like they did with Taylor. Ronnie is a mix of the two.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: July 27, 2015 00:04

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I'm not a Taylorite, but the band with Brian in any condition would not blaze like they did with Taylor. Ronnie is a mix of the two.

Different era, different band - but pretty blazing to me:>grinning smiley<

[www.youtube.com]

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: July 27, 2015 00:08

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Thrylan
I'm not a Taylorite, but the band with Brian in any condition would not blaze like they did with Taylor. Ronnie is a mix of the two.

Different era, different band - but pretty blazing to me:>grinning smiley<

[www.youtube.com]


That's the last thing I want to see when I open a video.

.....

Olly.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Thrylan ()
Date: July 27, 2015 00:13

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rootsman
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Thrylan
I'm not a Taylorite, but the band with Brian in any condition would not blaze like they did with Taylor. Ronnie is a mix of the two.

Different era, different band - but pretty blazing to me:>grinning smiley<

[www.youtube.com]


That is good stuff.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Turner68 ()
Date: July 27, 2015 00:23

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Thrylan
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rootsman
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Thrylan
I'm not a Taylorite, but the band with Brian in any condition would not blaze like they did with Taylor. Ronnie is a mix of the two.

Different era, different band - but pretty blazing to me:>grinning smiley<

[www.youtube.com]


That is good stuff.

one of their best tours.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 27, 2015 00:25

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Turner68
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Thrylan
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rootsman
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Thrylan
I'm not a Taylorite, but the band with Brian in any condition would not blaze like they did with Taylor. Ronnie is a mix of the two.

Different era, different band - but pretty blazing to me:>grinning smiley<

[www.youtube.com]


That is good stuff.

one of their best tours.

Wow Brian was brilliant then. What a shame what happened to him.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: July 29, 2015 20:18

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Olly
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matxil

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams isn't bad either.


Perhaps an 'OT' thread on humorous literature is required, for the benefit of LeonidP.

Your posts are enough, still laughing from before!

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: shattered ()
Date: July 29, 2015 20:39

Don't laugh, where can I get Stone Alone?

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: fuzzbox ()
Date: July 29, 2015 21:58

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shattered
Don't laugh, where can I get Stone Alone?

Ebay or amazon.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-07-29 21:58 by fuzzbox.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: CaptainCorella ()
Date: July 30, 2015 02:37

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shattered
Don't laugh, where can I get Stone Alone?

The absolute best way to get hold of a book that's out of print is..

[www.abebooks.com]

(there are also .co.uk and probably others, but it's fully worldwide anyway)

Think of it as almost every second hand bookstore in the world putting information about their best books online in a searchable format.

Over the years I've found many many books using that site.

--
Captain Corella
60 Years a Fan

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: shattered ()
Date: July 30, 2015 04:56

Nice, 13 sources from AbeBooks. Thank you.



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Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: July 30, 2015 06:47

I'm willing to admit that Bill's absence did not matter much on stage in the 90s, after his departure. The din of the stadium rarely highlighted Bill's talents. It's the actual listening later, and of course, the studio, where Bill matters. I can't even think of a Rolling Stones song where Darryl Jones shines. (I'm talking about the three albums he did participate in.) He's good on Love Is Strong and You Got Me Rocking, but he's basically playing Bill's style. Once he began to get away from that, Darryl has never left an emotional imprint on a Stones song. And his stage presence in the last decade, hell, they could get any touring pro to play those parts.

Bill could play one note and add to the mood. Darryl could just noodle all night and never arrive anywhere. Bobby Keys knew. Dylan knows. Just once I'd like to hear Mick say, "That's really nice what Bill did there."

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: jonnylamar ()
Date: July 30, 2015 09:16

Great comments about bill 24FPS. I totally agree

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: July 30, 2015 09:40

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24FPS
I'm willing to admit that Bill's absence did not matter much on stage in the 90s, after his departure. The din of the stadium rarely highlighted Bill's talents. It's the actual listening later, and of course, the studio, where Bill matters. I can't even think of a Rolling Stones song where Darryl Jones shines. (I'm talking about the three albums he did participate in.) He's good on Love Is Strong and You Got Me Rocking, but he's basically playing Bill's style. Once he began to get away from that, Darryl has never left an emotional imprint on a Stones song. And his stage presence in the last decade, hell, they could get any touring pro to play those parts.

Bill could play one note and add to the mood. Darryl could just noodle all night and never arrive anywhere. Bobby Keys knew. Dylan knows. Just once I'd like to hear Mick say, "That's really nice what Bill did there."

A tough pill to swallow, and tough thing to admit...he certainly wasn't accorded the respect he deserved during his tenure.

Re: Bill Wyman: The Stones Never Forgave Me For Leaving
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: July 30, 2015 22:31

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24FPS
...I can't even think of a Rolling Stones song where Darryl Jones shines. (I'm talking about the three albums he did participate in.) He's good on Love Is Strong and You Got Me Rocking, but he's basically playing Bill's style. Once he began to get away from that, Darryl has never left an emotional imprint on a Stones song. And his stage presence in the last decade, hell, they could get any touring pro to play those parts.


That's exactly what he is.


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24FPS


...Bill could play one note and add to the mood. Darryl could just noodle all night and never arrive anywhere...


Are you sure you're referring to Darryl Jones here?

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Olly.

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