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Excellent idea!
Woody's fans, it seems, are not able to get over the fact that he had his best moments with the Stones already between 1975 to 1982. Since then, he just played the second fiddle to Keith and his solos usually just suck. Good enough to fill out the sound, but usually desastrous when a song requires a decent guitar solo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-09 22:16 by retired_dog.
Somebody from the band is missing on this cover. Hmmmm. Anybody know if that one/fifth of the band was in the original photo?
No he wasn't, that's handy, eh?
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
He was standing way too far to the right ...
Same situation with the cover for the L>RS dvd. Although they did make up for it on that with the inside cover photo where Bill is in the fore front. Let's see if they do the same with this release.
This. I'm not paying the big bucks to Japan, sorry.
I just watched the video again and it is not the standard pickup. Modified perhaps? Go to 1:39 and it shows a white pickup. OK is this a trick of the light (doesn't look that way) or a modded pickup or something else? It also looks like it has pole pieces instead of the standard line of the da rock pickup.
Couldn't agree more
I usually like the guitar work of taylor, particularly on Exile and Sticky, but on that Dead Flowers Version it's really just pointless noddling without
much excitement, and it doesn't match very well to Jaggers singing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-09 23:54 by StonedRambler.
Really like his melodic guitar playing on DF
ME TOO!
It's a prototype Sustain Treble pickup with the white rasin that crumbled to fast. Infromation is very scarce, but it seems Richards got a prototype Dan Armstrong with a very fat neck that he liked very much. I am not certain wich pickup came along with that guitar -there's pictures of the 69 tour with both the ST pickup, but also with the standard Rock Treble single coil pickup.
From 1970 on he used two Dan Armstrongs -one with the white prototype humbucker, and one with the RT pickup.
Mathijs
Splendid, Taylor throws in all the licks this song deserves.
To quote one of your earlier posts (on a similar song): "A wedding band-rhythm" deserves that much soloing?
Ha ha! Maybe the name does, but not the heart
To nuance this a bit, Taylor plays brilliantly, of course, but it is too much for me - for a song like this anyway
Nothing is free in life, only the sun and the moon.
If you want something, you have to pay for it. If you don't want to do that, than you don't have it. Simple as it is.
Now you don't have to buy that rediculous expensive Brussels Affair box anymore, to own Brussel and you still complain.
I bought the super expensive Ward Hampton and L.A. boxsets, both cost me 250 euro, but I don't regret it, because it are among the most beautifull Stones items I own.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-10 14:55 by GJV.
So lets just wait another 10-20 years.
With the new stereo mix, one can turn the volume of the left speaker down a bit, and
focus on the lovely harmony vocals by Keith and Bill's great bass playing, that make
this song really enjoyable.
Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away
One could even turn it off.
Were they both stolen in the great Nellcote heist?
Agreed. This is exactly my take on my favorite era of my favorite band.
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Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
retired_dog
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Date: April 9, 2015 18:32
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DoxaQuote
EasterMan
Maybe they can add an audio track to this release without Taylors guitar in the mix for more pleasant listening?
Yeah, call it a SENSITIVE WOODIST EDIT.
Or even better, they could add to any Rollng Stones product from 1969 to 1974 a warning: Be aware: this might contain guitar work that doesn't fit to the educated (post -75) Rolling Stones guitar fan boy taste, and it might be found annoying....
- Doxa
Excellent idea!
Woody's fans, it seems, are not able to get over the fact that he had his best moments with the Stones already between 1975 to 1982. Since then, he just played the second fiddle to Keith and his solos usually just suck. Good enough to fill out the sound, but usually desastrous when a song requires a decent guitar solo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-09 22:16 by retired_dog.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
stewedandkeefed
()
Date: April 9, 2015 18:38
In the immortal words of Chet Flippo "I would rather see the Rolling Stones on a bad night than Bruce Springsteen on a good night" in reply to someone who suggested the Stones were not comparing well to Bruce in 1978 when they were touring in support of Some Girls. In fairness to Bruce, 1978 was one of his best years as a touring act and he did five FM simulcasts on that tour and most of them (Passaic in particular IMHO) showed why he attracted so much attention. However, Mr. Flippo summed up what many on this board probably feel and with the Marquee gig, many of us might think that this was the Rolling Stones on a bad night. However, the audio on the Dead Flowers clip is a considerable upgrade and I think it might rehabilitate some of those perceptions we have. That certainly happened with me when they used the stereo Mobile Truck audio for the L.A. 1975 DVD. That show sounds so much better to me than it ever did as a bootleg and perhaps, for some, the same thing will happen with the Marquee DVD.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: April 9, 2015 19:11
Compared to the studio version the latter sounds flat and lazy, missing the punch this live version surely has. Not missing the rather dominant piano for a second. Besides, on the studio version Bill has been done short.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: April 9, 2015 19:24
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claudine
front DVD artwork
Somebody from the band is missing on this cover. Hmmmm. Anybody know if that one/fifth of the band was in the original photo?
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
Deltics
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Date: April 9, 2015 19:39
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24FPSQuote
claudine
front DVD artwork
Somebody from the band is missing on this cover. Hmmmm. Anybody know if that one/fifth of the band was in the original photo?
No he wasn't, that's handy, eh?
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: April 9, 2015 19:51
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DelticsQuote
24FPS
Somebody from the band is missing on this cover. Hmmmm. Anybody know if that one/fifth of the band was in the original photo?
No he wasn't, that's handy, eh?
He was standing way too far to the right ...
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
achilles77
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Date: April 9, 2015 20:28
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kleermakerQuote
DelticsQuote
24FPS
Somebody from the band is missing on this cover. Hmmmm. Anybody know if that one/fifth of the band was in the original photo?
No he wasn't, that's handy, eh?
He was standing way too far to the right ...
Same situation with the cover for the L>RS dvd. Although they did make up for it on that with the inside cover photo where Bill is in the fore front. Let's see if they do the same with this release.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
tomcasagranda
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Date: April 9, 2015 20:49
I always think the worst night, or day, that the Stones performed on was the 1969 Hyde Park gig. The Marquee must be some improvement on that.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
hypnohighball
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Date: April 9, 2015 21:59
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barbabang
I see no reason that Brussel will not be released in the big markets Europe and USA. Question of time.
This. I'm not paying the big bucks to Japan, sorry.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
nankerphlege
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Date: April 9, 2015 23:34
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MingSubuQuote
nankerphlege
This looks great! Not to side track too much but what pickup was in Keef's DA? It didn't look like one of the stock ones.
Isn't is just the stock, slide-in humbucker?
I just watched the video again and it is not the standard pickup. Modified perhaps? Go to 1:39 and it shows a white pickup. OK is this a trick of the light (doesn't look that way) or a modded pickup or something else? It also looks like it has pole pieces instead of the standard line of the da rock pickup.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
StonedRambler
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Date: April 9, 2015 23:51
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Mathijs
Than my biggest gripe: somebody should have slapped Mick Taylor in the face: stop that bloody, useless and pointless noodling!!! It's goddamn awful! Take Dead Flowers: how many times can you play that same pentatonic lick with those dreadful hammer-ons over and over? The double stop country bend is great, but not 34 times in the same song!
Mathijs
Couldn't agree more
I usually like the guitar work of taylor, particularly on Exile and Sticky, but on that Dead Flowers Version it's really just pointless noddling without
much excitement, and it doesn't match very well to Jaggers singing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-09 23:54 by StonedRambler.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
kevinkamphuis
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Date: April 10, 2015 00:16
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StonedRamblerQuote
Mathijs
Than my biggest gripe: somebody should have slapped Mick Taylor in the face: stop that bloody, useless and pointless noodling!!! It's goddamn awful! Take Dead Flowers: how many times can you play that same pentatonic lick with those dreadful hammer-ons over and over? The double stop country bend is great, but not 34 times in the same song!
Mathijs
Couldn't agree more
I usually like the guitar work of taylor, particularly on Exile and Sticky, but on that Dead Flowers Version it's really just pointless noddling without
much excitement, and it doesn't match very well to Jaggers singing.
Really like his melodic guitar playing on DF
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: April 10, 2015 00:20
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kevinkamphuisQuote
StonedRamblerQuote
Mathijs
Than my biggest gripe: somebody should have slapped Mick Taylor in the face: stop that bloody, useless and pointless noodling!!! It's goddamn awful! Take Dead Flowers: how many times can you play that same pentatonic lick with those dreadful hammer-ons over and over? The double stop country bend is great, but not 34 times in the same song!
Mathijs
Couldn't agree more
I usually like the guitar work of taylor, particularly on Exile and Sticky, but on that Dead Flowers Version it's really just pointless noddling without
much excitement, and it doesn't match very well to Jaggers singing.
Really like his melodic guitar playing on DF
ME TOO!
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 10, 2015 11:52
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nankerphlegeQuote
MingSubuQuote
nankerphlege
This looks great! Not to side track too much but what pickup was in Keef's DA? It didn't look like one of the stock ones.
Isn't is just the stock, slide-in humbucker?
I just watched the video again and it is not the standard pickup. Modified perhaps? Go to 1:39 and it shows a white pickup. OK is this a trick of the light (doesn't look that way) or a modded pickup or something else? It also looks like it has pole pieces instead of the standard line of the da rock pickup.
It's a prototype Sustain Treble pickup with the white rasin that crumbled to fast. Infromation is very scarce, but it seems Richards got a prototype Dan Armstrong with a very fat neck that he liked very much. I am not certain wich pickup came along with that guitar -there's pictures of the 69 tour with both the ST pickup, but also with the standard Rock Treble single coil pickup.
From 1970 on he used two Dan Armstrongs -one with the white prototype humbucker, and one with the RT pickup.
Mathijs
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
LuxuryStones
()
Date: April 10, 2015 12:01
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Lien
Splendid, Taylor throws in all the licks this song deserves.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 10, 2015 12:03
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LuxuryStonesQuote
Lien
Splendid, Taylor throws in all the licks this song deserves.
To quote one of your earlier posts (on a similar song): "A wedding band-rhythm" deserves that much soloing?
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
LuxuryStones
()
Date: April 10, 2015 13:22
Don't follow my posts, I might change like the weather
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 10, 2015 14:50
Quote
LuxuryStones
Don't follow my posts, I might change like the weather
Ha ha! Maybe the name does, but not the heart
To nuance this a bit, Taylor plays brilliantly, of course, but it is too much for me - for a song like this anyway
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
GJV
()
Date: April 10, 2015 14:52
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hypnohighballQuote
barbabang
I see no reason that Brussel will not be released in the big markets Europe and USA. Question of time.
This. I'm not paying the big bucks to Japan, sorry.
Nothing is free in life, only the sun and the moon.
If you want something, you have to pay for it. If you don't want to do that, than you don't have it. Simple as it is.
Now you don't have to buy that rediculous expensive Brussels Affair box anymore, to own Brussel and you still complain.
I bought the super expensive Ward Hampton and L.A. boxsets, both cost me 250 euro, but I don't regret it, because it are among the most beautifull Stones items I own.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-10 14:55 by GJV.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
muenke
()
Date: April 10, 2015 15:17
It looks like those japanese editions (with Brussels) are very limited. Two days ago I ordered this:
[www.cdjapan.co.jp] (Marquee-DVD, CD Marquee und 2 CDs Brussels)
and today it says "out of print". So, if you see other editions with Brussels, hurry up! They might sell out very fast ...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-10 16:21 by muenke.
[www.cdjapan.co.jp] (Marquee-DVD, CD Marquee und 2 CDs Brussels)
and today it says "out of print". So, if you see other editions with Brussels, hurry up! They might sell out very fast ...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-10 16:21 by muenke.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: April 10, 2015 15:39
Right. But there is always a hope that they will give the same box to the ROW. And it will be a bit different in terms of price than those Japanese editions.Quote
muenke
It looks like those japanese editions (with Brussels) are very limitid. Two days ago I ordered this:
[www.cdjapan.co.jp] (Marquee-DVD, CD Marquee und 2 CDs Brussels)
and today it says "out of print". So, if you see other editions with Brussels, hurry up! They might sell out very fast ...
So lets just wait another 10-20 years.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
marcovandereijk
()
Date: April 10, 2015 15:48
Quote
DandelionPowderman
To nuance this a bit, Taylor plays brilliantly, of course, but it is too much for me - for a song like this anyway
With the new stereo mix, one can turn the volume of the left speaker down a bit, and
focus on the lovely harmony vocals by Keith and Bill's great bass playing, that make
this song really enjoyable.
Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 10, 2015 15:49
Quote
marcovandereijkQuote
DandelionPowderman
To nuance this a bit, Taylor plays brilliantly, of course, but it is too much for me - for a song like this anyway
With the new stereo mix, one can turn the volume of the left speaker down a bit, and
focus on the lovely harmony vocals by Keith and Bill's great bass playing, that make
this song really enjoyable.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: April 10, 2015 17:06
Quote
marcovandereijkQuote
DandelionPowderman
To nuance this a bit, Taylor plays brilliantly, of course, but it is too much for me - for a song like this anyway
With the new stereo mix, one can turn the volume of the left speaker down a bit, and
focus on the lovely harmony vocals by Keith and Bill's great bass playing, that make
this song really enjoyable.
One could even turn it off.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
fuzzbox
()
Date: April 10, 2015 17:15
Great, can't wait for this! 
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: April 10, 2015 17:17
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Mathijs
From 1970 on he used two Dan Armstrongs -one with the white prototype humbucker, and one with the RT pickup.
Mathijs
Were they both stolen in the great Nellcote heist?
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
Tate
()
Date: April 10, 2015 17:30
Regarding the "too much noodling" vs "really like his melodic playing.." debate, I have to say agree with both. It really is over-noodling on MT's part, but that said, I like it in this version. I like the over-noodling! And I am not a fan of endless Grateful Dead/ Phish noodlefests... I just love the sound of MT's guitar, and I love how different it makes the '71 live versions, and I love his over-noodling on all the '72/ '73 live stuff too. I enjoy the Stones playing out-of-tune, over-noodling, too fast/ too slow live performances from '69 to '75. I always have. Laziness is part of the Stones live sound, and I like it. Or at least I like how it manifested itself back in the early 70's.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
muenke
()
Date: April 10, 2015 17:41
Quote
Tate
Regarding the "too much noodling" vs "really like his melodic playing.." debate, I have to say agree with both. It really is over-noodling on MT's part, but that said, I like it in this version. I like the over-noodling! And I am not a fan of endless Grateful Dead/ Phish noodlefests... I just love the sound of MT's guitar, and I love how different it makes the '71 live versions, and I love his over-noodling on all the '72/ '73 live stuff too. I enjoy the Stones playing out-of-tune, over-noodling, too fast/ too slow live performances from '69 to '75. I always have. Laziness is part of the Stones live sound, and I like it. Or at least I like how it manifested itself back in the early 70's.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
blivet
()
Date: April 10, 2015 20:56
Quote
muenkeQuote
Tate
Regarding the "too much noodling" vs "really like his melodic playing.." debate, I have to say agree with both. It really is over-noodling on MT's part, but that said, I like it in this version. I like the over-noodling! And I am not a fan of endless Grateful Dead/ Phish noodlefests... I just love the sound of MT's guitar, and I love how different it makes the '71 live versions, and I love his over-noodling on all the '72/ '73 live stuff too. I enjoy the Stones playing out-of-tune, over-noodling, too fast/ too slow live performances from '69 to '75. I always have. Laziness is part of the Stones live sound, and I like it. Or at least I like how it manifested itself back in the early 70's.
Agreed. This is exactly my take on my favorite era of my favorite band.
Re: The Rolling Stones - The Marquee - Live In 1971 new release !
Posted by:
Sacke
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Date: April 10, 2015 22:06
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blivetQuote
muenkeQuote
Tate
Regarding the "too much noodling" vs "really like his melodic playing.." debate, I have to say agree with both. It really is over-noodling on MT's part, but that said, I like it in this version. I like the over-noodling! And I am not a fan of endless Grateful Dead/ Phish noodlefests... I just love the sound of MT's guitar, and I love how different it makes the '71 live versions, and I love his over-noodling on all the '72/ '73 live stuff too. I enjoy the Stones playing out-of-tune, over-noodling, too fast/ too slow live performances from '69 to '75. I always have. Laziness is part of the Stones live sound, and I like it. Or at least I like how it manifested itself back in the early 70's.
Agreed. This is exactly my take on my favorite era of my favorite band.
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