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Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Date: April 1, 2018 16:11

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Doxa

But then again, one cannot expect one to re-invent the whole guitar playing in every note one plays every time... Even if one is Jimi Hendrix or Mick Taylor...

That sort of criticism could be directed also towards Taylor's doings in the 'glory days'. Especially if one listens his solos during European Tour 1973, it is following, no matter how great those generally are, some typical patterns and ideas from gig to gig, which probably wouldn't sound very 'unpredictable' in the long run.

- Doxa

This is of course a valid statement for Stones fans that acknowledge Taylor's significant contribution during the Stones's 'glory days'. However, in the 8-tees and early 9-tees, Taylor improved himself significantly. He played beautiful instrumentals. Me and some others posted several here, proving that Taylor was capable of playing in a different style than he did with the Stones, improvisations leaning towards Jazzrock. On some tracks he sounds almost like Jeff Beck. But apparently, faith or luck, that's everybody's own opinion, most Stonesfans condemned him to be an ex Rolling Stone, and correlate all the playing he did with his "old friends", like Jagger put it. I think that the average listener, and the majority are Stones fans, miss half the point of what Taylor's playing really was all about.

"What has fame got to do with it?" would be my final question.

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Date: April 1, 2018 16:25

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-04-01 16:26 by TheflyingDutchman.

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: April 2, 2018 01:53

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Doxa
Quote
DandelionPowderman

the call and respond-thing became a schtik after a while on MR.

But then again, one cannot expect one to re-invent the whole guitar playing in every note one plays every time... Even if one is Jimi Hendrix or Mick Taylor...

That sort of criticism could be directed also towards Taylor's doings in the 'glory days'. Especially if one listens his solos during European Tour 1973, it is following, no matter how great those generally are, some typical patterns and ideas from gig to gig, which probably wouldn't sound very 'unpredictable' in the long run.

- Doxa

I think Taylor took the three/four chord songs as far as he could. You can’t be extremely unpredictable when the canvas is basic and repetitive. Plus, he was reigned-in by Jagger/Richards anyway. Let’s face it, the Stones were rehashing ideas one album to the next in the mid-70’s. Nobody is going to play experimental atonal solos over Brown Sugar. He expanded his ideas by incorporating an incredible slide tone, what more you want?!?

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: PhillyFAN ()
Date: April 2, 2018 05:12

Quote
TheflyingDutchman
Quote
Doxa

But then again, one cannot expect one to re-invent the whole guitar playing in every note one plays every time... Even if one is Jimi Hendrix or Mick Taylor...

That sort of criticism could be directed also towards Taylor's doings in the 'glory days'. Especially if one listens his solos during European Tour 1973, it is following, no matter how great those generally are, some typical patterns and ideas from gig to gig, which probably wouldn't sound very 'unpredictable' in the long run.

- Doxa

This is of course a valid statement for Stones fans that acknowledge Taylor's significant contribution during the Stones's 'glory days'. However, in the 8-tees and early 9-tees, Taylor improved himself significantly. He played beautiful instrumentals. Me and some others posted several here, proving that Taylor was capable of playing in a different style than he did with the Stones, improvisations leaning towards Jazzrock. On some tracks he sounds almost like Jeff Beck. But apparently, faith or luck, that's everybody's own opinion, most Stonesfans condemned him to be an ex Rolling Stone, and correlate all the playing he did with his "old friends", like Jagger put it. I think that the average listener, and the majority are Stones fans, miss half the point of what Taylor's playing really was all about.

"What has fame got to do with it?" would be my final question.




Flying Dutchman, that was an excellent observation about his playing. His playing had evolved beyond rock and roll. It really is a pity he could never get the recognition his talent deserved after playing rock and roll for 5 years. Unfortunately he will always have the stigma of being a ex Stone.

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: Captainchaos ()
Date: April 2, 2018 22:25

Favs of Midnight Rambler & Can't You Hear Me Knocking live from 2012 onwards w Mick Taylor, Enjoy!

Midnight Rambler - 2nd Night Prudential 2012.12.13
Midnight Rambler - Shanghai 2014.03.12
Midnight Rambler - Newark 2012
Midnight Rambler - Roskilde 2014.07.03

Can't You Hear me Knocking - Glastonbury 2013.06.29
Can't You Hear me Knocking - Chicago 2013 May 31
Can't You Hear me Knocking - Philadelphia 2013

If anyone wants to do one of these for Sway, Satisfaction, Slipping Away, Streets of Love I'll be very thankful smiling smiley

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: Captainchaos ()
Date: April 2, 2018 22:46

Sway - Chicago 2013
Sway - Another Chicago
Sway - Boston 2013.06.12
Sway - LA 2013.05.20
Sway - Carla Olson

Not as sure on the best/better versions of this so feel free to add better Taylor live versions smiling smiley

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: April 2, 2018 23:05

Quote
TheflyingDutchman
Quote
Doxa

But then again, one cannot expect one to re-invent the whole guitar playing in every note one plays every time... Even if one is Jimi Hendrix or Mick Taylor...

That sort of criticism could be directed also towards Taylor's doings in the 'glory days'. Especially if one listens his solos during European Tour 1973, it is following, no matter how great those generally are, some typical patterns and ideas from gig to gig, which probably wouldn't sound very 'unpredictable' in the long run.

- Doxa

This is of course a valid statement for Stones fans that acknowledge Taylor's significant contribution during the Stones's 'glory days'. However, in the 8-tees and early 9-tees, Taylor improved himself significantly. He played beautiful instrumentals. Me and some others posted several here, proving that Taylor was capable of playing in a different style than he did with the Stones, improvisations leaning towards Jazzrock. On some tracks he sounds almost like Jeff Beck. But apparently, faith or luck, that's everybody's own opinion, most Stonesfans condemned him to be an ex Rolling Stone, and correlate all the playing he did with his "old friends", like Jagger put it. I think that the average listener, and the majority are Stones fans, miss half the point of what Taylor's playing really was all about.

"What has fame got to do with it?" would be my final question.

That was a very educational post, thank you! And you make me feel I need to do some studying...

- Doxa

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Date: April 2, 2018 23:40

Quote
Doxa
Quote
TheflyingDutchman
Quote
Doxa

But then again, one cannot expect one to re-invent the whole guitar playing in every note one plays every time... Even if one is Jimi Hendrix or Mick Taylor...

That sort of criticism could be directed also towards Taylor's doings in the 'glory days'. Especially if one listens his solos during European Tour 1973, it is following, no matter how great those generally are, some typical patterns and ideas from gig to gig, which probably wouldn't sound very 'unpredictable' in the long run.

- Doxa

This is of course a valid statement for Stones fans that acknowledge Taylor's significant contribution during the Stones's 'glory days'. However, in the 8-tees and early 9-tees, Taylor improved himself significantly. He played beautiful instrumentals. Me and some others posted several here, proving that Taylor was capable of playing in a different style than he did with the Stones, improvisations leaning towards Jazzrock. On some tracks he sounds almost like Jeff Beck. But apparently, faith or luck, that's everybody's own opinion, most Stonesfans condemned him to be an ex Rolling Stone, and correlate all the playing he did with his "old friends", like Jagger put it. I think that the average listener, and the majority are Stones fans, miss half the point of what Taylor's playing really was all about.

"What has fame got to do with it?" would be my final question.

That was a very educational post, thank you! And you make me feel I need to do some studying...

- Doxa

Damn, I almost start feeling guilty grinning smiley Don't listen to his post Stones work Doxa, it would prob bore the hell out of you.

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Date: April 9, 2018 15:28

Thanks to Kleermaker.

Mick Taylor& the Roots CYHMN

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: April 9, 2018 17:29

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Rocky Dijon
To me, it's not anything to do with Keith and Ronnie's abilities or limitations. They have the their parts down pat. Taylor added the extra element that wasn't part of the arrangements Jagger put down with Jimmy Rip in 1988 that have been used as the blueprint for live Stones ever since. Taylor's solos are spontaneous and don't fit the show they've created and shaped over the last three decades. I realize that means having Taylor join in for the whole show would be impossible under those strictures, but it made for some exciting moments when he was given freedom to play. I'm sure it was a challenge for lighting and video and put extra pressure on Chuck in particular and, to an extent, every other musician on stage since the length of Taylor's solos could not be predicted. He simply played freely. Only Keith can get away with that and even then often elicits dirty looks from Mick. As it was, Mick, Keith, and Ronnie seemed to frequently exchange amused glances when Taylor took flight.

I don't think that Taylor could not fit in the arrangements. Wood's solo spot on Knocking during the lix tour - to name one example - was just as spontaneous and adventurous

On the other hand Taylor doesn't need a 10 minutes long solo to make his statement. In his hey-day his ability to say everything in few notes was a great part of his effectiveness (I am thinking of solos like Sway #1, Do do do studio, Love In Vain #1 on ya yas, Casino Boogie, Angie live etc.)

In fact, Taylor's post stones music explains more than 1,000 words why he left the band, and why - even if he had been asked - his music just doesn't fit in the STones' any more.

C



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Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: PhillyFAN ()
Date: April 9, 2018 19:54

He probably could fit it in but with some adjustments to the arrangements of the songs. He did play on some of the originals like "All down the line", Tumbling Dice, Shine a light When he joined in on Keith's songs he blended in as a member of the band and added little flourishes. As much as some of us would like to see him back it will never happen. I don't think he wants to. It's a miracle we saw him back at all. I'm grateful for that.

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Posted by: OpenG ()
Date: April 9, 2018 20:37

Vintage Guitar Way Back On Mick Taylor

[www.vintageguitar.com]

Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
Date: April 9, 2018 23:53

Here a short mix of Taylor's playing and a short interview.

Mick T on the Stones and Jack Bruce.

Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: babyblue ()
Date: April 18, 2018 05:43

Will Mick ask Taylor to play a few dates in UK? Would be nice or is it wishful thinking?

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: April 18, 2018 05:46

I think Taylor is gone for good. Which would make sense. As much as I want him back and think they are better for it, they are fine without him and they didn't NEED to bring him back. It just has to be accepted they did it out the "goodness" of their hearts, but I don't think it'll become a routine thing. For some bands, they could make it not send a weird message, but for the Stones I think it would. Maybe I'm way off. He should have played at the Fonda show, but again, the Stones and Taylor had their happy ending and reunion. To assume more just seems like too much from them. I'm shocked they did as much as they did.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: April 18, 2018 06:00

.... he got enough for some shoes then left ...



ROCKMAN

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: doitywoik ()
Date: April 18, 2018 06:32

... shoes will be worn out, eventually ... and maybe some butter would go nicely with the bread ... them boys shouldn't be starving in their old age ... maybe when 60 comes around, a few more subsistance gigs?

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: April 18, 2018 06:56

There's always hope! thumbs up

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: mighty stork ()
Date: April 18, 2018 07:54

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Rockman
.... he got enough for some shoes then left ...
And a Leather Jacket.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: nick ()
Date: April 18, 2018 08:11

He certainly is needed.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: Monsoon Ragoon ()
Date: April 18, 2018 09:41

He is retired. Look at nzentgraf.de. In 2017 he did NOTHING.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: nick ()
Date: April 18, 2018 10:39

The "Brand" needs him the whole show.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: April 18, 2018 10:47

Quote
babyblue
Will Mick ask Taylor to play a few dates in UK? Would be nice or is it wishful thinking?

Come on, of course not.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: April 18, 2018 11:15

yep. they're geting Brian back too. !!

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: April 18, 2018 11:55

Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
He is retired. Look at nzentgraf.de. In 2017 he did NOTHING.

Must be living off his publishing royalties, then.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: ouroux58 ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:10

Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
He is retired. Look at nzentgraf.de. In 2017 he did NOTHING.

...and only 2 or 3 things in 2016.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:21

Can't see it myself, Keith clearly loves Mick Taylor being on-board but i don't get that vibe from Mick and Ron.

Jagger seemed annoyed at waiting for Taylor to finish his solo's when he guested before, i mean its ridiculous, being impatient with an amazing solo so that Mick can sing more . Like we don't get enough of Mick singing.confused smiley

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:26

Yeah they should switch Mick J to guitar and put Mick T on vocals ...
Just so they can both see whats a goin' on out there on the boards ....



ROCKMAN

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:31

Quote
jlowe
Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
He is retired. Look at nzentgraf.de. In 2017 he did NOTHING.

Must be living off his publishing royalties, then.

Or off the "Stones gig" of 2012-2014? if the band gave him 20K per night (a pure speculation... could be more) that's enough to live a decent life as a pensioner in UK for the rest of his life.

Re: Mick Taylor...is he in
Date: April 18, 2018 12:34

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keithsman
Can't see it myself, Keith clearly loves Mick Taylor being on-board but i don't get that vibe from Mick and Ron.

Jagger seemed annoyed at waiting for Taylor to finish his solo's when he guested before, i mean its ridiculous, being impatient with an amazing solo so that Mick can sing more . Like we don't get enough of Mick singing.confused smiley

Why not from Ron?

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