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Can we pour some gasoline on the ashes of this dying thread?

I'll try : I never liked MT cause he used super-light gauge strings. A real guitarist uses a .010-046 or even better a .011-052 set of strings.

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MT's agent should call every major insurance company and let them know his client is available to play in the event any of unforeseen circumstances like a lead guitarist falling off of a stage.

MT's agent?

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Can we pour some gasoline on the ashes of this dying thread?

I'll try : I never liked MT cause he used super-light gauge strings. A real guitarist uses a .010-046 or even better a .011-052 set of strings.

i actually liked him better before i started reading this thread and seeing how his fans all think he makes or breaks the rolling stones.

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Can we pour some gasoline on the ashes of this dying thread?

I'll try : I never liked MT cause he used super-light gauge strings. A real guitarist uses a .010-046 or even better a .011-052 set of strings.

i actually liked him better before i started reading this thread and seeing how his fans all think he makes or breaks the rolling stones.

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i actually liked him better before i started reading this thread and seeing how his fans all think he makes or breaks the rolling stones.

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MT's agent should call every major insurance company and let them know his client is available to play in the event any of unforeseen circumstances like a lead guitarist falling off of a stage.

MT's agent?

His Dutch girlfriend. Posting here as Chacal and formerly posted as SundanceKid.

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i actually liked him better before i started reading this thread and seeing how his fans all think he makes or breaks the rolling stones.

True. It's disturbing to read how people think Taylor is what made the 1969-1974 era so great. I would have been as good if not better with Wood as the guitarist during those years. What matters is the great songs Jagger/Richards wrote between 1969-1974. Not the second guitar player.

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The funniest thing here is that nobody knows why MT was on the 2013 tour, etc.

To celebrate their anniversary and possibly to settle any hard feelings about lack of credit or payment of royalties due, most likely stemming from certain tracks on Tattoo You.

I happen to think most things can be explained by behind the scenes financial dealings. For example, I think he didn't play more in 2013 because he wanted more money than the band wanted to pay him.

But I'm just guessing and a bit cynical, so take it with a grain of salt.

It had NOTHING to do with any anniversary, or nostalgia, or how much anyone was paid. That's why I find this thread ironic. And no, I'm not saying, out of respect for the band's privacy.

The reason you're getting at has been discussed here plenty, sorry. 71Tele posted it a few months ago and a lot of people concurred that it made far more sense than any other explanation offered thus far.

And what was that reason?

OK, I'll bite:

What's supposed to have happened is that the insurance people insisted on having a.n.other guitarist along to cover for Keith in case of health problems - and since they had to have someone, they decided that it should be MT, which looked convincing as a 50th anniversary guest spot, kept the insurance company off their backs, concealed the "real" reason (maybe even from Keith and/or MT) and had additional benefits in the form of good publicity for Taylor fans and interesting musical opportunities (which in the event they didn't exploit as fully as they might have). There are various holes in the theory, but it's as plausible as any other.

If this isn't the reason Roller99 has in mind, then please either tell us or stop the "I know something you don't know but I'm not going to tell you" teasing.

PS: No inside knowledge or betrayal of confidences here: all the above comes from other posts on public view.

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i actually liked him better before i started reading this thread and seeing how his fans all think he makes or breaks the rolling stones.

True. It's disturbing to read how people think Taylor is what made the 1969-1974 era so great. I would have been as good if not better with Wood as the guitarist during those years. What matters is the great songs Jagger/Richards wrote between 1969-1974. Not the second guitar player.

It took you 5 edits to point out that Richards was Taylor's rhythm player, actually ?

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Richards was Taylor's rhythm player actually ?

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Richards was Taylor's rhythm player actually ?

Nah, The guitar player who plays the opening riffs for Brown Sugar and Tumbling Dice is always the lead player. So therefore Taylor was the second guitar player.

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Richards was Taylor's rhythm player actually ?

Nah, The guitar player who plays the opening riffs for Brown Sugar and Tumbling Dice is always the lead player. So therefore Taylor was the second guitar player.

you said that perfectly with no edits :-)

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The funniest thing here is that nobody knows why MT was on the 2013 tour, etc.

To celebrate their anniversary and possibly to settle any hard feelings about lack of credit or payment of royalties due, most likely stemming from certain tracks on Tattoo You.

I happen to think most things can be explained by behind the scenes financial dealings. For example, I think he didn't play more in 2013 because he wanted more money than the band wanted to pay him.

But I'm just guessing and a bit cynical, so take it with a grain of salt.

It had NOTHING to do with any anniversary, or nostalgia, or how much anyone was paid. That's why I find this thread ironic. And no, I'm not saying, out of respect for the band's privacy.

The reason you're getting at has been discussed here plenty, sorry. 71Tele posted it a few months ago and a lot of people concurred that it made far more sense than any other explanation offered thus far.

And what was that reason?

OK, I'll bite:

What's supposed to have happened is that the insurance people insisted on having a.n.other guitarist along to cover for Keith in case of health problems - and since they had to have someone, they decided that it should be MT, which looked convincing as a 50th anniversary guest spot, kept the insurance company off their backs, concealed the "real" reason (maybe even from Keith and/or MT) and had additional benefits in the form of good publicity for Taylor fans and interesting musical opportunities (which in the event they didn't exploit as fully as they might have). There are various holes in the theory, but it's as plausible as any other.

If this isn't the reason Roller99 has in mind, then please either tell us or stop the "I know something you don't know but I'm not going to tell you" teasing.

PS: No inside knowledge or betrayal of confidences here: all the above comes from other posts on public view.

Excellent summary. What goes against this theory :
- Jagger said in the Maron podcast that Taylor was only going to play in London originally, just at the first show actually and things went so well that they toured the world with him
- Taylor wasn't at the first US 2012 concert, surely if that had been planned in advance he would have been there.

As for Roller99, dunno...he's gone from "not being much of a fan" a couple of weeks ago to being the forum's resident expert who claims he can replicate Taylor's sound on CYHMK and that Ronnie can play that solo with one hand, oh and he didn't see Jagger playing acoustic on "Sister Morphine" at the Fonda show.

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Richards was Taylor's rhythm player actually ?

Nah, The guitar player who plays the opening riffs for Brown Sugar and Tumbling Dice is always the lead player. So therefore Taylor was the second guitar player.

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Yes!!! We are going to talk about the music. I have really been studying Dancing With Mr. D (Brussels Affair Definitive Edition on youtube). It is truly an excellent MT performance.

Agree or Disagree.

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Of course it might not have been that way around. Perhaps MT was going to be invited anyway, and when the insurance issue arose they decided to have him on the books as cover guitarist as well as welcome guest. Who knows?

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Of course it might not have been that way around. Perhaps MT was going to be invited anyway, and when the insurance issue arose they decided to have him on the books as cover guitarist as well as welcome guest. Who knows?

If the band and/or insurance co was looking for a "just in case" back up guitar player, wouldn't Waddy Wachtel have been a more logical choice? Anyone who saw his work with Keith in 88'would have to say Waddy can weave and play lead. Whatever is required or requested. In the tradition of The Wrecking Crew, Wachtel can and will do as he is told. Not go off on a tangent and play guitar hero on someones else's dime. By the way, has anyone seen him lately? Could be he's under the stage with a guitar, just in case. Unlike 2005/2006 when Blondie was at times standing, unlit, behind Keith playing what Keith couldn't get a wrap on.

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DP?

I'm here, my friend

A very dominant riff guitar can be the lead guitar, even though it is the other guitar player who plays the solos, I believe.

Who's playing the lead guitar on Bitch, for instance?

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Can we pour some gasoline on the ashes of this dying thread?

I'll try : I never liked MT cause he used super-light gauge strings. A real guitarist uses a .010-046 or even better a .011-052 set of strings.

i actually liked him better before i started reading this thread and seeing how his fans all think he makes or breaks the rolling stones.

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It was the appropriate thread for that example, I believe

But your metaphor (house) will fall flat with JJF, though. One can play 50 solos on that song, but that riff will always be leading the song, imo.

PS: Charlie's son is bothering me now, as we speak

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The funniest thing here is that nobody knows why MT was on the 2013 tour, etc.

To celebrate their anniversary and possibly to settle any hard feelings about lack of credit or payment of royalties due, most likely stemming from certain tracks on Tattoo You.

I happen to think most things can be explained by behind the scenes financial dealings. For example, I think he didn't play more in 2013 because he wanted more money than the band wanted to pay him.

But I'm just guessing and a bit cynical, so take it with a grain of salt.

It had NOTHING to do with any anniversary, or nostalgia, or how much anyone was paid. That's why I find this thread ironic. And no, I'm not saying, out of respect for the band's privacy.

The reason you're getting at has been discussed here plenty, sorry. 71Tele posted it a few months ago and a lot of people concurred that it made far more sense than any other explanation offered thus far.

And what was that reason?

OK, I'll bite:

What's supposed to have happened is that the insurance people insisted on having a.n.other guitarist along to cover for Keith in case of health problems - and since they had to have someone, they decided that it should be MT, which looked convincing as a 50th anniversary guest spot, kept the insurance company off their backs, concealed the "real" reason (maybe even from Keith and/or MT) and had additional benefits in the form of good publicity for Taylor fans and interesting musical opportunities (which in the event they didn't exploit as fully as they might have). There are various holes in the theory, but it's as plausible as any other.

If this isn't the reason Roller99 has in mind, then please either tell us or stop the "I know something you don't know but I'm not going to tell you" teasing.

PS: No inside knowledge or betrayal of confidences here: all the above comes from other posts on public view.

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Our dear MT and music RW can't deliver - neither plink, plink

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Our dear MT and music RW can't deliver - neither plink, plink

That sounded and looked great indeed! Gotta love John Mayall and his band here.

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Our dear MT and music RW can't deliver - neither plink, plink


That sounded and looked great indeed! Gotta love John Mayall and his band here.

Taylor's career was bigger than him being a member of the Stones, he he..

Wuh, you're kidding. The Stones made him, man. After he quit he was gone.

But to set things straight here: almost all so called taylorites here, myself included, are in the first place fan of the Stones with Taylor, not the other way round. Though one can't deny that he did great things with some others as well. For instance with this John Mayall, to name one, and with a certain Bob Dylan, to name another one.