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Hairball
There's many things I used to like when I was young and naive that I cringe at now, as I'm sure is the case with most people.
Wouldn't say it's growing wiser or more mature, but with learned knowledge and in hindsight you tend to see and hear things differently.
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Actually they wanted to release a live album in '72 already but Decca owned many of the songs so they couldn't do it. Keith stated that due to technical difficulties it wasn't possible to make good live recordings until the time that they did, in '75/'76. Love You Live sold relatively poorly and the critics weren't impressed.
The same songs were on LYL.
We know now that Keith was wrong. The Brussels Affair proves that.
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Hairball
There's many things I used to like when I was young and naive that I cringe at now, as I'm sure is the case with most people.
Wouldn't say it's growing wiser or more mature, but with learned knowledge and in hindsight you tend to see and hear things differently.
Well, you're still on a forum discussing a wonky garage band that always have sounded like it could fall apart any second. I guess we're in the same boat, within a musical context
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Actually they wanted to release a live album in '72 already but Decca owned many of the songs so they couldn't do it. Keith stated that due to technical difficulties it wasn't possible to make good live recordings until the time that they did, in '75/'76. Love You Live sold relatively poorly and the critics weren't impressed.
The same songs were on LYL.
We know now that Keith was wrong. The Brussels Affair proves that.
Agreed.
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Actually they wanted to release a live album in '72 already but Decca owned many of the songs so they couldn't do it. Keith stated that due to technical difficulties it wasn't possible to make good live recordings until the time that they did, in '75/'76. Love You Live sold relatively poorly and the critics weren't impressed.
The same songs were on LYL.
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There's no use in writing tons of post about a musician you don't think much of.
it is my undisputed duty to right a wrong
Thank You, HMS, Thank You!.
Here is RW attempting to replicate MT's solo on Gimme Shelter 1975.
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Not bad but it's a far cry from the fluid left hand hammer-ons and pull-offs and emotive string bending and vibrato Mick Taylor exhibited when he played Gimme Shelter live in 1972/3. And mind you, this is when Ronnie was at his peak, musically. His technical skills have deteriorated exponentially since the 70's. His guitar tone is weak here too.
Not even once does he try to replicate anything Taylor did here. Funny
The resemblance is striking, the tone, copied licks and all, pure Taylor imitation, but a failed attempt, in the end. But at least Ronnie did try to play well at the time. I even liked Ronnies playing on Love You Live. By the time Some Girls was done they obviously had given that up.
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That was a bummer. No live music released between 1969 and 1977. When the band was cooking. @#$%& Allen Klein...
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There's no use in writing tons of post about a musician you don't think much of.
it is my undisputed duty to right a wrong
Thank You, HMS, Thank You!.
Here is RW attempting to replicate MT's solo on Gimme Shelter 1975.
[www.youtube.com]
Not bad but it's a far cry from the fluid left hand hammer-ons and pull-offs and emotive string bending and vibrato Mick Taylor exhibited when he played Gimme Shelter live in 1972/3. And mind you, this is when Ronnie was at his peak, musically. His technical skills have deteriorated exponentially since the 70's. His guitar tone is weak here too.
Not even once does he try to replicate anything Taylor did here. Funny
The resemblance is striking, the tone, copied licks and all, pure Taylor imitation, but a failed attempt, in the end. But at least Ronnie did try to play well at the time. I even liked Ronnies playing on Love You Live. By the time Some Girls was done they obviously had given that up.
It's the same exact backing track from the two prior tours and Wood definitely approaches it the same way. There are many rhythmic similarities to Taylor in the beginning of Wood's solo, although the notes are different because Wood does not have the musical vocabulary as Taylor. After a similar start, Wood seems to run out of ideas, and goes into a very sloppy Santana staccato thing. It's not very interesting once you've heard this song with Taylor, Hopkins, Bobby Keys etc. I wish they would have slowed down the song and given the lead back to Richards at this point.
I remember A/B'ing Gimme Shelter '72 vs. '75 (or later) in high school with my dad's bootlegs and coming to the same conclusion.
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There's no use in writing tons of post about a musician you don't think much of.
it is my undisputed duty to right a wrong
Thank You, HMS, Thank You!.
Here is RW attempting to replicate MT's solo on Gimme Shelter 1975.
[www.youtube.com]
Not bad but it's a far cry from the fluid left hand hammer-ons and pull-offs and emotive string bending and vibrato Mick Taylor exhibited when he played Gimme Shelter live in 1972/3. And mind you, this is when Ronnie was at his peak, musically. His technical skills have deteriorated exponentially since the 70's. His guitar tone is weak here too.
Not even once does he try to replicate anything Taylor did here. Funny
The resemblance is striking, the tone, copied licks and all, pure Taylor imitation, but a failed attempt, in the end. But at least Ronnie did try to play well at the time. I even liked Ronnies playing on Love You Live. By the time Some Girls was done they obviously had given that up.
It's the same exact backing track from the two prior tours and Wood definitely approaches it the same way. There are many rhythmic similarities to Taylor in the beginning of Wood's solo, although the notes are different because Wood does not have the musical vocabulary as Taylor. After a similar start, Wood seems to run out of ideas, and goes into a very sloppy Santana staccato thing. It's not very interesting once you've heard this song with Taylor, Hopkins, Bobby Keys etc. I wish they would have slowed down the song and given the lead back to Richards at this point.
I remember A/B'ing Gimme Shelter '72 vs. '75 (or later) in high school with my dad's bootlegs and coming to the same conclusion.
You better study it again, more closely this time. Start with Taylor, and how he sets up his solos. Then listen to Wood, and you'll find that he starts them differently every time.
For the homage-stuff Wood has more than the vocabulary to sneak in some of Taylor's licks, like on ADTL.
I suspect there are feelings involved here, and that many fans of Taylor can't stand the role Ronnie took on on the 75-tour, with the big distorted sound and all - more than that of his actual playing was any copying of Taylor.
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TravelinMan
Back to Mick Taylor, since this is his thread after all.
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I can't believe I haven't heard this before! It's really cool to hear Taylor play on a lot of these popular songs.
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There's no use in writing tons of post about a musician you don't think much of.
it is my undisputed duty to right a wrong
Thank You, HMS, Thank You!.
Here is RW attempting to replicate MT's solo on Gimme Shelter 1975.
[www.youtube.com]
Not bad but it's a far cry from the fluid left hand hammer-ons and pull-offs and emotive string bending and vibrato Mick Taylor exhibited when he played Gimme Shelter live in 1972/3. And mind you, this is when Ronnie was at his peak, musically. His technical skills have deteriorated exponentially since the 70's. His guitar tone is weak here too.
Not even once does he try to replicate anything Taylor did here. Funny
The resemblance is striking, the tone, copied licks and all, pure Taylor imitation, but a failed attempt, in the end. But at least Ronnie did try to play well at the time. I even liked Ronnies playing on Love You Live. By the time Some Girls was done they obviously had given that up.
It's the same exact backing track from the two prior tours and Wood definitely approaches it the same way. There are many rhythmic similarities to Taylor in the beginning of Wood's solo, although the notes are different because Wood does not have the musical vocabulary as Taylor. After a similar start, Wood seems to run out of ideas, and goes into a very sloppy Santana staccato thing. It's not very interesting once you've heard this song with Taylor, Hopkins, Bobby Keys etc. I wish they would have slowed down the song and given the lead back to Richards at this point.
I remember A/B'ing Gimme Shelter '72 vs. '75 (or later) in high school with my dad's bootlegs and coming to the same conclusion.
You better study it again, more closely this time. Start with Taylor, and how he sets up his solos. Then listen to Wood, and you'll find that he starts them differently every time.
For the homage-stuff Wood has more than the vocabulary to sneak in some of Taylor's licks, like on ADTL.
I suspect there are feelings involved here, and that many fans of Taylor can't stand the role Ronnie took on on the 75-tour, with the big distorted sound and all - more than that of his actual playing was any copying of Taylor.
I don't need to study it again. I know what I heard. I listened to the version posted and Wood came in a similar fashion, but with less precision and less of a melodic vocabulary. It's like he heard Taylor's approach from tour tapes and was sort of interpreting it in his own way without learning the notes, which by the way is TOTALLY FINE. What I don't like is he really doesn't go anywhere, and ends up just sort of sloppily flamenco picking notes. His tone is thinner and more trebly than Taylor's as well, which I am not a fan of.
As far as personal feelings, I mean, I wasn't even born until the 1980's. The only Stones I have known are the Stones with Ron Wood. On paper, I probably should be a diehard Bridges Of Babylon fan, haha! I had cassettes as a kid, but once I heard the live bootleg CD's I became a mega fan.
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beachbreak
No dis to Ronnie, they are just different players,
he and MT.
MT couldn't weave like Ronnie on B of Burden but he couldn't play the solo on SFM from Ya Yas like MT either.
Love 'em both!
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liddas
Second, Ronnie might have seen the stones live in 72/73 (I never read that he did) but unless he was a Stones boot collector he had no material to study Taylor live in those years.
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Second, Ronnie might have seen the stones live in 72/73 (I never read that he did) but unless he was a Stones boot collector he had no material to study Taylor live in those years.
Being a big Stones fanboy he was/is, I wouldn't be surprised that he might have had those bootlegs. But in the case of no, the Stones themselves had acquired the habit of taping their shows to listen and to judge them afterwards. So I guess when Woodie was given the job and a possible set list, he was also given/shown tapes of their shows: 'boy, it goes like this'. I recall Ronnie also having said that he at the time listened a lot what Taylor did. I don't think he only meant studio stuff, because so much of the parts Taylor did, and what Wood was going to do also, wasn't even there in original studio recordings (like the discussed "Gimme Shelter" or "You Can't Always Get What You Want"). In many cases, Taylor had created/written a whole new guitar part or arrangement for the songs. The 'road versions' of many songs had arrangements, which in 1975 didn't much change from 1973. So my point is that I am rather sure that Ronnie was rather awere what Taylor had done (and taking that as a blueprint, continuing from there and adding his own stance/interpretation to those 'Taylor parts'). Actually: in order to perform his task he needed to know the Taylorized 'road versions', since those were the versions the band was living and breathing at the time, the studio originals being just an old memory.
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Second, Ronnie might have seen the stones live in 72/73 (I never read that he did) but unless he was a Stones boot collector he had no material to study Taylor live in those years.
Being a big Stones fanboy he was/is, I wouldn't be surprised that he might have had those bootlegs. But in the case of no, the Stones themselves had acquired the habit of taping their shows to listen and to judge them afterwards. So I guess when Woodie was given the job and a possible set list, he was also given/shown tapes of their shows: 'boy, it goes like this'. I recall Ronnie also having said that he at the time listened a lot what Taylor did. I don't think he only meant studio stuff, because so much of the parts Taylor did, and what Wood was going to do also, wasn't even there in original studio recordings (like the discussed "Gimme Shelter" or "You Can't Always Get What You Want"). In many cases, Taylor had created/written a whole new guitar part or arrangement for the songs. The 'road versions' of many songs had arrangements, which in 1975 didn't much change from 1973. So my point is that I am rather sure that Ronnie was rather awere what Taylor had done (and taking that as a blueprint, continuing from there and adding his own stance/interpretation to those 'Taylor parts'). Actually: in order to perform his task he needed to know the Taylorized 'road versions', since those were the versions the band was living and breathing at the time, the studio originals being just an old memory.
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Could be that he heard some 73 recordings yet, as a matter of fact, in Ronnie's 75 solos I don't hear any of the parts that Taylor developed on stage during the 72-73 tours!
Just take Angie for example. Any guitarist who hears Taylor's live version wants to learn the - superb - intro of his first solo. Angie 75 is just a completely different beast. 100& Ronnie Wood.
Brown Sugar is another good example. Taylor's slide theme is completely absent in the 75 version, where, if anything Ronnie seems to stick more to the Bobby's original sax solo.
In Devil 75, save some quite standard blues licks, nothing that Ronnie plays even remotely compares to Taylor's official YA YA's solo.
By the way, extended melodic soloing was Ronnie's thing already with the Faces. Angel, Love in Vain, Rather Go Blind.
Once again what I hear in 75 is Wood adapting his Faces stuff to the Stones repertoire (You Can't Always Get is almost an extended version of I Wish it would rain).
If there is one song where this Stones/Faces combo reaches stellar levels, that's Wild Horses 75. Absolute perfection. One of the best live performances by the stones ever.
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If there is one song where this Stones/Faces combo reaches stellar levels, that's Wild Horses 75. Absolute perfection. One of the best live performances by the stones ever.
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That was a bummer. No live music released between 1969 and 1977. When the band was cooking. @#$%& Allen Klein...
It didn't kill the screenings of L&G or the 1971 Let It Rock- release. But, yes, sad indeed.
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Yep. And, since this is a Taylor thread, even more sad that Ya Ya's came to be Taylor's only official live recording with the Stones.
(Yes I know, they have released everything now with the vault fully open. But it took some 30 years plus to come up with that...)
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If there is one song where this Stones/Faces combo reaches stellar levels, that's Wild Horses 75. Absolute perfection. One of the best live performances by the stones ever.
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Really? 75 versions are overdone tearjerkers... (imo) and Jagger's OTT singing doesn't help either. I prefer the more restrained 1995 versions.
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Just take Angie for example. Any guitarist who hears Taylor's live version wants to learn the - superb - intro of his first solo. Angie 75 is just a completely different beast. 100& Ronnie Wood.
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Back to Mick Taylor, since this is his thread after all.
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I can't believe I haven't heard this before! It's really cool to hear Taylor play on a lot of these popular songs.
Great find I did heard some of them but not all...thanks
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PhillyFAN
MT is gone. The band rolls on without him.