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OK, but what would be the 4's function, the way the opening riff starts?
No clue. Just answering if he said the 4.
Hehe, probably not
For a count-in the 4 is worthless.
Keith's scream ("Yeah!") that ends Brown Sugar is a good one, too
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-08-05 12:25 by DandelionPowderman.
Indeed. That's why 1, 2, 3 would be better here, imo. The first chord would be "the 4".
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-08-05 12:53 by StonedRambler.
I (almost) hear a 5 before the first chord appears. There is a slight wait before the first chord. It's not on the beat. Hence, 1,2,3 and the chord right on the 4th would have suited me better, if I should have counted in.
But I guess we hear it differently
Good points!
<That they're not exactly tight on the first beat. Well, I guess that's because they are the Rolling Stones>
Indeed!
That sounds right to me.
Watts is incredible on this song. Knocking as well. Both slower tempos but he goes into those 16th notes and peps them up.
I prefer his "Irieee" on Cherry oh Baby!
Coming From the amateur end of garage and bar bands, someone counts in like this when the song starts with everyone together, the entire band is coming in on a count like that. It’s a 4/4 count but not a tempo count. A count in like at the start of sway is like the key in the ignition, then all gets turned on at once.
I always loved how the ramones OneTooFreeFour counts between tunes had zero to do with tempo EVER!
Anyways, that’s been my experience, but like I said, amateur hour.
Listen to how Mick draws out the one - he gives the lag, which is why it sounds like it starts on a one... or, LOL, in this case, a five.
Drums 0:00 - 3:45
Bass 3:45 - 7:25
Guitars, piano 7:25 - 11:14
Vocals 11:14 - 14:03
I have credited this before, but he has passed away and I feel obligated: This was recorded by Paul Grady who recorded many, many Taylor/Bluesbreakers, etc. shows in the Bay area. There was no bigger MT fan. He was in heaven recording this Sway, but in a moment of paranoia he looked down and to his horror saw the "pause" button was on, hence the clipped beginning. A taper's nightmare. He once set his recorder on the stage at MT's feet in a club. Taylor looked down, perhaps to search for a pedal, saw instead the recorder, shook his head, but let it go.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-01-06 03:40 by pmk251.
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Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 5, 2021 11:58
Does he count "4" at all? It would destroy the rhythm, though Will have to re-listen.
Will have to re-listen.Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
MingSubu
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:01
You can hear the 4, atleast, on the 2009 mix.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:04
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MingSubu
You can hear the 4, atleast, on the 2009 mix.
OK, but what would be the 4's function, the way the opening riff starts?
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
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MingSubu
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:12
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MingSubu
You can hear the 4, atleast, on the 2009 mix.
OK, but what would be the 4's function, the way the opening riff starts?
No clue. Just answering if he said the 4.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
keefgotsoul
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:18
He clearly says 4. What would be it’s function? Do you really think 1970 Jagger could answer that?
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:25
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keefgotsoul
He clearly says 4. What would be it’s function? Do you really think 1970 Jagger could answer that?
Hehe, probably not
For a count-in the 4 is worthless.
Keith's scream ("Yeah!") that ends Brown Sugar is a good one, too
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Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
StonedRambler
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:39
The tempo of Sway is so slow with 72bpm that the 'four' surely helps to get them all together on the first beat.
Usually you only don't say four if there is a fill in before the first beat.
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Usually you only don't say four if there is a fill in before the first beat.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-08-05 12:41 by StonedRambler.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:49
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StonedRambler
The tempo of Sway is so slow with 72bpm that the 'four' surely helps to get them all together on the first beat.
Usually you only don't say four if there is a fill in before the first beat.
Indeed. That's why 1, 2, 3 would be better here, imo. The first chord would be "the 4".
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
StonedRambler
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Date: August 5, 2021 12:53
Why? There is no fill in at the beginning of Sway. The whole band starts together on 1 and the into is exactly two bars long.Quote
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StonedRambler
The tempo of Sway is so slow with 72bpm that the 'four' surely helps to get them all together on the first beat.
Usually you only don't say four if there is a fill in before the first beat.
Indeed. That's why 1, 2, 3 would be better here, imo. The first chord would be "the 4".
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-08-05 12:53 by StonedRambler.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 5, 2021 13:00
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StonedRamblerWhy? There is no fill in at the beginning of Sway. The whole band starts together on 1 and the into is exactly two bars long.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
StonedRambler
The tempo of Sway is so slow with 72bpm that the 'four' surely helps to get them all together on the first beat.
Usually you only don't say four if there is a fill in before the first beat.
Indeed. That's why 1, 2, 3 would be better here, imo. The first chord would be "the 4".
I (almost) hear a 5 before the first chord appears. There is a slight wait before the first chord. It's not on the beat. Hence, 1,2,3 and the chord right on the 4th would have suited me better, if I should have counted in.
But I guess we hear it differently
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
mattstones
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Date: August 5, 2021 13:09
Such a great song.
I love Charlie's drumming, it almost is too slow at times but it works perfectly with the song.
Almost like it could fall apart at any stage but doesn't!
I love Charlie's drumming, it almost is too slow at times but it works perfectly with the song.
Almost like it could fall apart at any stage but doesn't!
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
StonedRambler
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Date: August 5, 2021 13:14
Ah, I understand how you hear it. Kinda the first three notes as a prelude. But then you have one and a half bars until the verse starts which is a bit odd. I think two whole bars with the first beat on the '1' is how they thought of it. Hence the counting. That they're not exactly tight on the first beat. Well, I guess that's because they are the Rolling Stones. On the live versions like Fonda it starts exactly on the one though. And they also repeat the into and the second repetition is also exactly on the one.Quote
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StonedRamblerWhy? There is no fill in at the beginning of Sway. The whole band starts together on 1 and the into is exactly two bars long.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
StonedRambler
The tempo of Sway is so slow with 72bpm that the 'four' surely helps to get them all together on the first beat.
Usually you only don't say four if there is a fill in before the first beat.
Indeed. That's why 1, 2, 3 would be better here, imo. The first chord would be "the 4".
I (almost) hear a 5 before the first chord appears. There is a slight wait before the first chord. It's not on the beat. Hence, 1,2,3 and the chord right on the 4th would have suited me better, if I should have counted in.
But I guess we hear it differently
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: August 5, 2021 13:25
....me fave number is 5 .... pity Jaggs didnt quite make it
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Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 5, 2021 13:46
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StonedRamblerAh, I understand how you hear it. Kinda the first three notes as a prelude. But then you have one and a half bars until the verse starts which is a bit odd. I think two whole bars with the first beat on the '1' is how they thought of it. Hence the counting. That they're not exactly tight on the first beat. Well, I guess that's because they are the Rolling Stones. On the live versions like Fonda it starts exactly on the one though. And they also repeat the into and the second repetition is also exactly on the one.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
StonedRamblerWhy? There is no fill in at the beginning of Sway. The whole band starts together on 1 and the into is exactly two bars long.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
StonedRambler
The tempo of Sway is so slow with 72bpm that the 'four' surely helps to get them all together on the first beat.
Usually you only don't say four if there is a fill in before the first beat.
Indeed. That's why 1, 2, 3 would be better here, imo. The first chord would be "the 4".
I (almost) hear a 5 before the first chord appears. There is a slight wait before the first chord. It's not on the beat. Hence, 1,2,3 and the chord right on the 4th would have suited me better, if I should have counted in.
But I guess we hear it differently
Good points!
<That they're not exactly tight on the first beat. Well, I guess that's because they are the Rolling Stones>
Indeed!
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
terraplane
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Date: August 5, 2021 13:59
It's 4/4 time. They come in after the four in the count in but a little earlier than the first beat of the first bar.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
z
()
Date: August 5, 2021 18:57
The count-in is correct, you can test it on the second chorus:
Its just that demon life has got(1) me in(2) it's sway(3)...4.... There must be ways...
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Its just that demon life has got(1) me in(2) it's sway(3)...4.... There must be ways...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-08-05 22:30 by z.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
MelBelli
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Date: August 5, 2021 19:50
Relatedly, one thing I love about 25x5’s peek at the Steel Wheels sessions is how Keith counts in “Mixed Emotions.” Kind of hard to tell from the record, where it starts seemingly midway through Charlie’s pickup notes.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: August 5, 2021 20:18
On "Can't you hear me knocking" such a1,2,3,4 countdown would be unthinkable.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
wonderboy
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Date: August 6, 2021 01:03
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terraplane
It's 4/4 time. They come in after the four in the count in but a little earlier than the first beat of the first bar.
That sounds right to me.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
NICOS
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Date: August 6, 2021 02:20
I hear that is 1234 1.....and 1 when the sing starts
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Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: August 6, 2021 07:17
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mattstones
Such a great song.
I love Charlie's drumming, it almost is too slow at times but it works perfectly with the song.
Almost like it could fall apart at any stage but doesn't!
Watts is incredible on this song. Knocking as well. Both slower tempos but he goes into those 16th notes and peps them up.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
KRiffhard
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Date: August 6, 2021 07:50
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keefgotsoul
He clearly says 4. What would be it’s function? Do you really think 1970 Jagger could answer that?
Hehe, probably not
For a count-in the 4 is worthless.
Keith's scream ("Yeah!") that ends Brown Sugar is a good one, too
I prefer his "Irieee" on Cherry oh Baby!
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
KRiffhard
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Date: August 6, 2021 07:51
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
keefgotsoul
He clearly says 4. What would be it’s function? Do you really think 1970 Jagger could answer that?
Hehe, probably not
For a count-in the 4 is worthless.
Keith's scream ("Yeah!") that ends Brown Sugar is a good one, too
I prefer his "Irieee" on Cherry oh Baby!
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 6, 2021 07:58
It's simply a count-in. That's all it is. What's not heard is why it's that way.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: August 6, 2021 10:53
The rhythm guitar sound is just fabulous. Funnily, as the fantastic rhythm guitar sound on Stop Breaking Down it's both Jagger.
Mathijs
Mathijs
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: August 6, 2021 13:05
Jagger did a great job on "Fingerprint File" as well. It took me 30 @#$%& years to realise that Jagger played the rhythm guitar anyway.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
Paddy
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Date: August 7, 2021 01:17
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GasLightStreet
It's simply a count-in. That's all it is. What's not heard is why it's that way.
Coming From the amateur end of garage and bar bands, someone counts in like this when the song starts with everyone together, the entire band is coming in on a count like that. It’s a 4/4 count but not a tempo count. A count in like at the start of sway is like the key in the ignition, then all gets turned on at once.
I always loved how the ramones OneTooFreeFour counts between tunes had zero to do with tempo EVER!
Anyways, that’s been my experience, but like I said, amateur hour.
Re: 1,2,3,4 heard at the beginning of Sway adds to its charm
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 7, 2021 05:12
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PaddyQuote
GasLightStreet
It's simply a count-in. That's all it is. What's not heard is why it's that way.
Coming From the amateur end of garage and bar bands, someone counts in like this when the song starts with everyone together, the entire band is coming in on a count like that. It’s a 4/4 count but not a tempo count. A count in like at the start of sway is like the key in the ignition, then all gets turned on at once.
I always loved how the ramones OneTooFreeFour counts between tunes had zero to do with tempo EVER!
Anyways, that’s been my experience, but like I said, amateur hour.
Listen to how Mick draws out the one - he gives the lag, which is why it sounds like it starts on a one... or, LOL, in this case, a five.
Re: Track Talk: Sway
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: January 5, 2025 20:18
Drums 0:00 - 3:45
Bass 3:45 - 7:25
Guitars, piano 7:25 - 11:14
Vocals 11:14 - 14:03
Re: Track Talk: Sway
Posted by:
pmk251
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Date: January 6, 2025 03:39
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LuxuryStones
Indeed. Mick Taylors' solo is medicine to me.
I have credited this before, but he has passed away and I feel obligated: This was recorded by Paul Grady who recorded many, many Taylor/Bluesbreakers, etc. shows in the Bay area. There was no bigger MT fan. He was in heaven recording this Sway, but in a moment of paranoia he looked down and to his horror saw the "pause" button was on, hence the clipped beginning. A taper's nightmare. He once set his recorder on the stage at MT's feet in a club. Taylor looked down, perhaps to search for a pedal, saw instead the recorder, shook his head, but let it go.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-01-06 03:40 by pmk251.
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