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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll.
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Great song from their best album. Has Keith ever talked about his limited involvement? Did he take a musical direction role even though he didn't play? His background vocals are outstanding.....
I heard that Pete Townshend and Ronnie Lane contributed to the background vocals as well, although not listed in the credits above.
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PT sings on Slave. Ronnie Lane on In Another Land (with Marriot).
Haven't heard about those two contributing to anything else on Stones records.
Well, not me either, but timeisonourside.com claims - I just noticed - that background vocals are done by Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Ronnie Lane & Billy Nicholls. Total news to me, since my ears only tend to hear Jagger and Richards, and it has never occurred to me that there could be anyone else. Probably time to give it another listen.
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From the book "The Faces : Had Me a Real Good Time" [books.google.com]
"This Day in Music" states the same: [www.thisdayinmusic.com]
Also, Roy Carr's book "The Rolling Stones an illustrated record", states Townshend and Lane were on back-up vocals on Sticky Fingers, but does not state which songs!
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll.
They certainly did but no one in Europe would have heard it before the first Santana album came out in Sept 1969. If anyone inspired Mick Taylor here it would probably have been Gabor Szabo, the guitarist who influenced Carlos Santana.
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Can't forget Steven Stills early blending of latino stuff and rock. But comparing all these guitarists in those terms is kinda pointless. Each had their own style, and almost all guitarists eventually explore latino/spanish phrasing. That's where it all began.
And jazz phrasing is a natural progression for most guitarists as well. Taylor went there for a while but has seemed to gravitate back to his blues roots.
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Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
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Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
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Yes that's the rule. He didnt write anything at all. Nor did Brian Jones, Ry Cooder or anybody else. Except for Mick and Keith and Ronnie. They are the good guys.
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Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
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Yes that's the rule. He didnt write anything at all. Nor did Brian Jones, Ry Cooder or anybody else. Except for Mick and Keith and Ronnie. They are the good guys.
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
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I thought "good stuff" was a positive remark?
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Another, more recent Taylor quote from 2011 (timeisonourside.com again):
I added my solo to Sway, but it's very much Mick's song. I don't think Keith's on it. It had a great, loose feel. Mick played rhythm guitar on that. He's a great rhythm player. My theory is he has a natural feel and that's also why he's such a great dancer.
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I totally agree with MT above, but here's Keith in GUITAR WORLD:
GUITAR WORLD: "How do you rate Mick Jagger as a guitar player?"
KEITH: "On acoustic, he's a damned good rhythm player. I'd never let him play electric if I could help it... ... No sense of electric at all..."
GW: "SWAY is Mick on electric."
KEITH: "Yeah... Well, like I say, acoustically he's got a nice touch. It doesn't translate electrically. It's not his thing. It's not everybody's cup of tea."
I think Keith is referring to Mick's choice of sound, which generally is a bit iffy, imo. Sway, Some Girls and Stop Breakin' Down are exceptions, though.
Always liked this interview: good journalist. And this part is brilliant: the fearless pirate is caught loaded with fear & jealousy and talking bs.
How? Sounds like a quick rebound to me.
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
- Doxa
I thought "good stuff" was a positive remark?
positive when it comes from Dandie...
MT's solo(s) makes the song...
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll.
They certainly did but no one in Europe would have heard it before the first Santana album came out in Sept 1969. If anyone inspired Mick Taylor here it would probably have been Gabor Szabo, the guitarist who influenced Carlos Santana.
Interesting info, Silver Dagger. Didn't know that Szabo part. Could very well be Taylor's influence. I've been lately listening to Taylor's pre-Stones stuff, and if one compares that into what he would be doing soon with the Stones, there is an interesting artistic development going on. He really kept his ears open, and was progressing his art. The fluidy Albert King of Mayall School transformed into this fusion/latino influenced melodic player, pretty much giving especially STICKY FINGERS its elegant flavor.
When I think of Taylor's contribution into the Stones, I think the reason why he was chosen, and what he was there initially supposed to do, and be like, is the solo in "Jiving Sister Fanny", one of the first things he did with the Stones. That's as typical British blues guitar god stuff as it can be. But like noted here, there would be new things to come, and I salute the "I'm Free" observation made here (didn't thought it in those terms before). As he was more integrated to the band, he seemingly sounded more confident to offer new ideas/develop his playing. Both the band and him gained of that, and we all can enjoy the results, especially in STICKY FINGERS.
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Actually, I'm just listening to this solo again and there's nothing Santanarish/Latin about it at all. It's just a normal solo with some nice vibrato on it. In the great scheme of Stones things it's not that earth shattering.Quote
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
- Doxa
I thought "good stuff" was a positive remark?
positive when it comes from Dandie...
MT's solo(s) makes the song...
Taylor didn't play on the original song we discussed above (I'm Free) - hence he's not making the song, although he added some good stuff to it live as I wrote.
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
- Doxa
I thought "good stuff" was a positive remark?
positive when it comes from Dandie...
MT's solo(s) makes the song...
Taylor didn't play on the original song we discussed above (I'm Free) - hence he's not making the song, although he added some good stuff to it live as I wrote.
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Another, more recent Taylor quote from 2011 (timeisonourside.com again):
I added my solo to Sway, but it's very much Mick's song. I don't think Keith's on it. It had a great, loose feel. Mick played rhythm guitar on that. He's a great rhythm player. My theory is he has a natural feel and that's also why he's such a great dancer.
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I totally agree with MT above, but here's Keith in GUITAR WORLD:
GUITAR WORLD: "How do you rate Mick Jagger as a guitar player?"
KEITH: "On acoustic, he's a damned good rhythm player. I'd never let him play electric if I could help it... ... No sense of electric at all..."
GW: "SWAY is Mick on electric."
KEITH: "Yeah... Well, like I say, acoustically he's got a nice touch. It doesn't translate electrically. It's not his thing. It's not everybody's cup of tea."
I think Keith is referring to Mick's choice of sound, which generally is a bit iffy, imo. Sway, Some Girls and Stop Breakin' Down are exceptions, though.
Always liked this interview: good journalist. And this part is brilliant: the fearless pirate is caught loaded with fear & jealousy and talking bs.
How? Sounds like a quick rebound to me.
To me Keith is pushed into a corner a bit, and if pushed a bit more, he would have contradicted himself. For him, unlike for DandiePowderman, "Sway" it is not an exception, but, actually, as he says, an example of what he just claimed, that is, how lousy Jagger is ("no sense of electric at all"). This begs the question that why on earth Keith let that piece of crap to released in the first place? If he thought that was such terrible, why didn't he do something about it? Wasn't this the guy who supposedly spent nights and nights in the studio to make sure that the feel and sound in a particulal track is just right? Either Keith wasn't any longer interested or he didn't have a say. I think neither is something he would admit (Keith not interested how the main guitar sounds like in a Rolling Stones recording, or didn't have any longer power to vote against). Instead I suggest that he - like anybody - back then saw it being perfectly alright, and is lying now to be 'consistent'...
Anyway, my guess is that Keith speaks in a very general level there, and if there is any particular reference he has in his mind (Jagger's electric guitar playing as a some sort of problem), that is SOME GIRLS era and the 'three guitar attack' back then. From that period I recall Keith saying something to the effect that Jagger needed to be turned down, because he was messing too much, or something. Somehow I see the point how an over-eager, punk-influenced amateur, with probably no any any sense for nuances (but for volume), might have gone to old pro's nerves back then...Before that when Jagger rarely played electric guitar in a Stones track, it was usually - or maybe even always - when Keith was not around; namely, especially in 1970 Richards acquired the habit of missing sessions. From Stargroves we have backing tracks done for such Jagger/Taylor guitar collaborations as "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". "Moonlight Mile" belongs to list, even though Jagger 'only' plays acoustic.
So the way I see Keith's "Sway" comment is that the baby is thrown out with birth-water; a wonderful opportunity to bash Jagger - the very need to share this surprising 'revelation' of Jagger's skills (man's who foremost is not very well-known as any sort of guitarist) - is not wasted, and goes beyond anything else.
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
- Doxa
I thought "good stuff" was a positive remark?
positive when it comes from Dandie...
MT's solo(s) makes the song...
Taylor didn't play on the original song we discussed above (I'm Free) - hence he's not making the song, although he added some good stuff to it live as I wrote.
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Santana did some of that stuff the year before, Mike. I'm sure there were others as well - mixing in some latin and jazz in their rock solos, like Taylor did here.
Good stuff, but nothing groundbreaking or earth-shattering about it, imo. But indeed a taste of what to come on SF and IORR.
Amen to that. Santana was already blazing those trails and introduced Latino flavor to Rock n Roll. I think it was somewhat different and refreshing hearing it from an English rock and blues band - the Stones.
Damn it looks it is tough for you guys to give Taylor some credit...
- Doxa
I thought "good stuff" was a positive remark?
positive when it comes from Dandie...
MT's solo(s) makes the song...
Taylor didn't play on the original song we discussed above (I'm Free) - hence he's not making the song, although he added some good stuff to it live as I wrote.
Yep..and its that "good stuff" that makes the song..LIVE!
id hardly think the lyrics are amything to ride home about..
Its a piss break without MT's contribution.
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Of course not...in fact one of my fav albums.
But the MT contribution to Im Free on the US 1969 tour took a catchy song on Out of Our Heads to a new level..simple as that.
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Of course not...in fact one of my fav albums.
But the MT contribution to Im Free on the US 1969 tour took a catchy song on Out of Our Heads to a new level..simple as that.
Catchy song or piss break-song? Make up your mind
That was my entire point...
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Of course not...in fact one of my fav albums.
But the MT contribution to Im Free on the US 1969 tour took a catchy song on Out of Our Heads to a new level..simple as that.
Catchy song or piss break-song? Make up your mind
That was my entire point...
Ha..well a piss break song if played live without MT
That's not to say its a bad song..but hardly inspiring if played live the same way as the original.
Perhaps we should get back to talking about Sway..which is a great song.
Jagger's vocal is one of his finest..