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Sorry, I try not to comment on these particular threads about particular concerts, because those people really seem excited about the particular concert they attended. But sometimes when I see these set in concrete setlists it does anger me. They don't listen to us. They don't care about us and what we want. And as long as they can get enough rubes to pay big bucks, they'll care even less. Hey, I know I'm whizzing up a rope, but there's so little time left with the band, and I hate to see it wasted this way. I guess I put the Stones on a higher pedestal than the other bands, and it's kind of sad to see them go out like this. I guess they already went out with A Bigger Bang.

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Sorry, I try not to comment on these particular threads about particular concerts, because those people really seem excited about the particular concert they attended. But sometimes when I see these set in concrete setlists it does anger me. They don't listen to us. They don't care about us and what we want. And as long as they can get enough rubes to pay big bucks, they'll care even less. Hey, I know I'm whizzing up a rope, but there's so little time left with the band, and I hate to see it wasted this way. I guess I put the Stones on a higher pedestal than the other bands, and it's kind of sad to see them go out like this. I guess they already went out with A Bigger Bang.

From my perspective, in Europe (and in Japan as well), the Stones are doing exactly what I thought that they should do to to preserve their legacy. The US shows, where venues were small and ticket prices were very high ($250-$450 nosebleeds, $650-$825 lower stands).

In contrast, the Stones have done it right (in my view) in Europe. Venues are huge, including festivals at Pinkpop, TW Classic, Roskilde. For Stockholm, tickets run from $99 (stands) to about $225 (golden circle in Stockholm is cheaper than nosebleeds in the US), and Stockholm is probably the most expensive European show. The shows have all been instant sell-outs. In Paris, I saw families, and many, many younger fans. In the US the crowds were much older, with many people going alone because they could not afford a ticket for the wife/girlfriend/child. I took my 16 year old daughter to Paris, and she loved it, despite being more of a One Direction fan. I know two younger women (sisters, 25 and 30 years old) who have never seen the Stones, but "thought it would be fun" and actually scheduled their summer vacation in Europe so they could catch the Stones show in Stockholm. That could never have happened in the US.

They are getting their music out to a much wider audience in Europe, and the atmosphere, at least at the 70,000 Stade de France, was terrific. For younger audiences, the songs that first generation fans may have heard too many times sound fresh. All us older fans complain about how Gimme Shelter is a little too "friendly" and complain about Lisa, etc., but my daughter, who had never heard it live, thought it was the highlight of the show. So yes, perhaps the Stones don't care about "us", if by "us" you mean 50-70 year olds who have been to multiple shows over the decades. But by playing larger venues at lower prices, the Stones have allowed a much broader demographic to experience their most well-known music, and I am glad that they are doing it, even think that's the right thing for them to do.

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Sorry, I try not to comment on these particular threads about particular concerts, because those people really seem excited about the particular concert they attended. But sometimes when I see these set in concrete setlists it does anger me. They don't listen to us. They don't care about us and what we want. And as long as they can get enough rubes to pay big bucks, they'll care even less. Hey, I know I'm whizzing up a rope, but there's so little time left with the band, and I hate to see it wasted this way. I guess I put the Stones on a higher pedestal than the other bands, and it's kind of sad to see them go out like this. I guess they already went out with A Bigger Bang.

From my perspective, in Europe (and in Japan as well), the Stones are doing exactly what I thought that they should do to to preserve their legacy. The US shows, where venues were small and ticket prices were very high ($250-$450 nosebleeds, $650-$825 lower stands).

In contrast, the Stones have done it right (in my view) in Europe. Venues are huge, including festivals at Pinkpop, TW Classic, Roskilde. For Stockholm, tickets run from $99 (stands) to about $225 (golden circle in Stockholm is cheaper than nosebleeds in the US), and Stockholm is probably the most expensive European show. The shows have all been instant sell-outs. In Paris, I saw families, and many, many younger fans. In the US the crowds were much older, with many people going alone because they could not afford a ticket for the wife/girlfriend/child. I took my 16 year old daughter to Paris, and she loved it, despite being more of a One Direction fan. I know two younger women (sisters, 25 and 30 years old) who have never seen the Stones, but "thought it would be fun" and actually scheduled their summer vacation in Europe so they could catch the Stones show in Stockholm. That could never have happened in the US.

They are getting their music out to a much wider audience in Europe, and the atmosphere, at least at the 70,000 Stade de France, was terrific. For younger audiences, the songs that first generation fans may have heard too many times sound fresh. All us older fans complain about how Gimme Shelter is a little too "friendly" and complain about Lisa, etc., but my daughter, who had never heard it live, thought it was the highlight of the show. So yes, perhaps the Stones don't care about "us", if by "us" you mean 50-70 year olds who have been to multiple shows over the decades. But by playing larger venues at lower prices, the Stones have allowed a much broader demographic to experience their most well-known music, and I am glad that they are doing it, even think that's the right thing for them to do.

An intelligent assessment, rather than whining about who is a whiner. I understand exactly what they're doing, and that's to appeal to the lowest common denominator, quite successfully. It is amazing that at this stage in their career they can attract fresh audiences. That their long times fans have mostly peeled away in disillusionment doesn't bother them a wit. They are show business people and as long as they have adoring crowds, of any stripe, paying them a King's ransom, they're happy. As someone mentioned earlier, it's like going to a musical now, with every moment choreographed, and nothing left to chance.

Of course, the Rolling Stones of the past would have been derisive of the Senior Citizen Rolling Stones. Bill was pretty much right when he expressed upon his leaving that they'd done it all, and the rest would be repeating. He might regret not hauling in the big dough, but certainly didn't miss any artistic triumphs.

I guess a foreshadowing of the current situation occurred at the 2006 Dodger Stadium show I attended. It was an absolute spectacle, with fireworks and light shows and ear crushing sound system. Mick was incredible, and it was an extremely satisfying event. But then later I thought about it, and I realized the music wasn't all that great. I couldn't remember any Keith highlights, even though he was there, black eyeliner and all. I realized I had been to a Stones show, not a Stones concert.

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Sorry, I try not to comment on these particular threads about particular concerts, because those people really seem excited about the particular concert they attended. But sometimes when I see these set in concrete setlists it does anger me. They don't listen to us. They don't care about us and what we want. And as long as they can get enough rubes to pay big bucks, they'll care even less. Hey, I know I'm whizzing up a rope, but there's so little time left with the band, and I hate to see it wasted this way. I guess I put the Stones on a higher pedestal than the other bands, and it's kind of sad to see them go out like this. I guess they already went out with A Bigger Bang.

From my perspective, in Europe (and in Japan as well), the Stones are doing exactly what I thought that they should do to to preserve their legacy. The US shows, where venues were small and ticket prices were very high ($250-$450 nosebleeds, $650-$825 lower stands).

In contrast, the Stones have done it right (in my view) in Europe. Venues are huge, including festivals at Pinkpop, TW Classic, Roskilde. For Stockholm, tickets run from $99 (stands) to about $225 (golden circle in Stockholm is cheaper than nosebleeds in the US), and Stockholm is probably the most expensive European show. The shows have all been instant sell-outs. In Paris, I saw families, and many, many younger fans. In the US the crowds were much older, with many people going alone because they could not afford a ticket for the wife/girlfriend/child. I took my 16 year old daughter to Paris, and she loved it, despite being more of a One Direction fan. I know two younger women (sisters, 25 and 30 years old) who have never seen the Stones, but "thought it would be fun" and actually scheduled their summer vacation in Europe so they could catch the Stones show in Stockholm. That could never have happened in the US.

They are getting their music out to a much wider audience in Europe, and the atmosphere, at least at the 70,000 Stade de France, was terrific. For younger audiences, the songs that first generation fans may have heard too many times sound fresh. All us older fans complain about how Gimme Shelter is a little too "friendly" and complain about Lisa, etc., but my daughter, who had never heard it live, thought it was the highlight of the show. So yes, perhaps the Stones don't care about "us", if by "us" you mean 50-70 year olds who have been to multiple shows over the decades. But by playing larger venues at lower prices, the Stones have allowed a much broader demographic to experience their most well-known music, and I am glad that they are doing it, even think that's the right thing for them to do.

An intelligent assessment, rather than whining about who is a whiner. I understand exactly what they're doing, and that's to appeal to the lowest common denominator, quite successfully. It is amazing that at this stage in their career they can attract fresh audiences. That their long times fans have mostly peeled away in disillusionment doesn't bother them a wit. They are show business people and as long as they have adoring crowds, of any stripe, paying them a King's ransom, they're happy. As someone mentioned earlier, it's like going to a musical now, with every moment choreographed, and nothing left to chance.

Of course, the Rolling Stones of the past would have been derisive of the Senior Citizen Rolling Stones. Bill was pretty much right when he expressed upon his leaving that they'd done it all, and the rest would be repeating. He might regret not hauling in the big dough, but certainly didn't miss any artistic triumphs.

I guess a foreshadowing of the current situation occurred at the 2006 Dodger Stadium show I attended. It was an absolute spectacle, with fireworks and light shows and ear crushing sound system. Mick was incredible, and it was an extremely satisfying event. But then later I thought about it, and I realized the music wasn't all that great. I couldn't remember any Keith highlights, even though he was there, black eyeliner and all. I realized I had been to a Stones show, not a Stones concert.

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Look at the Wyman fiasco in Nov. 26/29 (the backstage issue) - does it sounds as if they make an effort towards "being special"?

... Huh? Which fiasco do you mean?

The fact (in his words at least) he was summoned for a "special celebration", hardly had any chance to rehearse and was given a spot in 2 songs - ALL OF THIS without really preparing him for that. I guess Bill is not the easiest person around, but his description left me with the feeling the whole thing was not thought about as for "being special for the fan's who love us for so long".

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If so, it's the first time he played D&G without Gloria and the norwegian pickups. Interesting indeed![/quote

Is Gloria the blond tele?

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If so, it's the first time he played D&G without Gloria and the norwegian pickups. Interesting indeed![/quote

Is Gloria the blond tele?

Yep.