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DandelionPowderman
<From a fan's point of view, the natural solution might be felt as, let the musicians that originally played the songs, do them now live (when that is possible).>
I agree that this won't be natural, as Taylor didn't play guitar on the (final) studio versions of lots of the songs fans dream about having him involved in:
Brown Sugar
Gimmie Shelter
Sympathy For The Devil
Tumbling Dice
Jumping Jack Flash
Midnight Rambler
Honky Tonk Women
You Can't Always Het What You Want
and more...
Instead, let him play the entire show in Roskilde, and be loud where its needed!
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<From a fan's point of view, the natural solution might be felt as, let the musicians that originally played the songs, do them now live (when that is possible).>
I agree that this won't be natural, as Taylor didn't play guitar on the (final) studio versions of lots of the songs fans dream about having him involved in:
Brown Sugar
Gimmie Shelter
Sympathy For The Devil
Tumbling Dice
Jumping Jack Flash
Midnight Rambler
Honky Tonk Women
You Can't Always Het What You Want
and more...
Instead, let him play the entire show in Roskilde, and be loud where its needed!
Doesn't MT play on HTW?
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andy js
Can someone clarify the rules on posting please ?.
Apparently as i wasn't at this gig, I shouldn't be posting anything about them playing SOS at it. Yet, do my eyes deceive me but aren't MANY other folks that weren't there either posting also?
This will be one quiet board if people can only air opinions that are on shows they've attended themselves wont it ?
Having watched the video it's as bad as i could've imagined.
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andy js
Can someone clarify the rules on posting please ?.
Apparently as i wasn't at this gig, I shouldn't be posting anything about them playing SOS at it. Yet, do my eyes deceive me but aren't MANY other folks that weren't there either posting also?
This will be one quiet board if people can only air opinions that are on shows they've attended themselves wont it ?
Having watched the video it's as bad as i could've imagined.
Spot on assessment. Unfortunately you voiced an opinion that is not popular and therefore are open to criticism.
I could care less that they played this song. What bothers me is the continuing trend of views that run contrary to popular opinion are belittled and attacked by some. This is true on both sides, I should add. Some "negative" posts are very nasty and are offensive. Some posts aren't all offensive other than they don't agree with others. I actually had a post reported once as offensive where I said that I never shouted down someone who had a different opinion than mine.
We're all Stones fans. It's why we're here but if we can't live with the fact that people are different and have different tastes, as BV himself pointed out, than we should all be ashamed.
Personal attacks on band members and board members is wrong, but saying you don't like Streets Of Love is not.
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andy js
Can someone clarify the rules on posting please ?.
Apparently as i wasn't at this gig, I shouldn't be posting anything about them playing SOS at it. Yet, do my eyes deceive me but aren't MANY other folks that weren't there either posting also?
This will be one quiet board if people can only air opinions that are on shows they've attended themselves wont it ?
Having watched the video it's as bad as i could've imagined.
Spot on assessment. Unfortunately you voiced an opinion that is not popular and therefore are open to criticism.
I could care less that they played this song. What bothers me is the continuing trend of views that run contrary to popular opinion are belittled and attacked by some. This is true on both sides, I should add. Some "negative" posts are very nasty and are offensive. Some posts aren't all offensive other than they don't agree with others. I actually had a post reported once as offensive where I said that I never shouted down someone who had a different opinion than mine.
We're all Stones fans. It's why we're here but if we can't live with the fact that people are different and have different tastes, as BV himself pointed out, than we should all be ashamed.
Personal attacks on band members and board members is wrong, but saying you don't like Streets Of Love is not.
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Spot on assessment. Unfortunately you voiced an opinion that is not popular and therefore are open to criticism.
I could care less that they played this song. What bothers me is the continuing trend of views that run contrary to popular opinion are belittled and attacked by some. This is true on both sides, I should add. Some "negative" posts are very nasty and are offensive. Some posts aren't all offensive other than they don't agree with others. I actually had a post reported once as offensive where I said that I never shouted down someone who had a different opinion than mine.
We're all Stones fans. It's why we're here but if we can't live with the fact that people are different and have different tastes, as BV himself pointed out, than we should all be ashamed.
Personal attacks on band members and board members is wrong, but saying you don't like Streets Of Love is not.
This is about a live song though? Not a song on record, but a live song. Surely posters who were not there can understand that they cannot have a better opinion than those who were actually stood in the hot sun for up to ten hours and heard it with their own ears, with thousands of others who were there. Of course everyone can have an opinion, but the general consensus from most who were there (and i'm not going to say everyone) is that on Sunday SOL sounded great and the crowd really responded positively to the song. That's all that matters at the end of day. We paid our money and got a great performance.
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
If you listen to this SOL-version you'll find that some of Taylor's licks were really great on this song. And it's not blues.
Would you be just as happy if they brought out the bass for him to do TD?
I think at this stage the fans as well need to think outside the box. They have a set, but they want to do some unexpected things, too, once in a while. I think this was a nice surprise that went down really well - even though I'm not a big fan of the studio version. It is indeed good live, though.
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I find it sad that people feel compelled to post stuff like this - in fact I find it awful sad.
Taylor is over the top enthusiastic and happy on stage. Maybe something is up beyond this tour for him and the band. Nevertheless I find it hard to be upset about his use when he seems blissed.Quote
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
If you listen to this SOL-version you'll find that some of Taylor's licks were really great on this song. And it's not blues.
Would you be just as happy if they brought out the bass for him to do TD?
I think at this stage the fans as well need to think outside the box. They have a set, but they want to do some unexpected things, too, once in a while. I think this was a nice surprise that went down really well - even though I'm not a big fan of the studio version. It is indeed good live, though.
I did listen, and you're right, he plays some nice stuff.
As to your list of songs he wasn't on the recorded version of (Gimme Selter, YCAGWYW, etc.), maybe, but he defined those songs live. As for him playing bass on Tumbling Dice, I have no problem with that either.
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And didn't he play on BS at the Muscle Shoals sessions DP?
Ps - and bass on TD? My memory may be failing me though...
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
If you listen to this SOL-version you'll find that some of Taylor's licks were really great on this song. And it's not blues.
Would you be just as happy if they brought out the bass for him to do TD?
I think at this stage the fans as well need to think outside the box. They have a set, but they want to do some unexpected things, too, once in a while. I think this was a nice surprise that went down really well - even though I'm not a big fan of the studio version. It is indeed good live, though.
I did listen, and you're right, he plays some nice stuff.
As to your list of songs he wasn't on the recorded version of (Gimme Selter, YCAGWYW, etc.), maybe, but he defined those songs live. As for him playing bass on Tumbling Dice, I have no problem with that either.
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Taylor is on the studio version of Brown Sugar.
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
If you listen to this SOL-version you'll find that some of Taylor's licks were really great on this song. And it's not blues.
Would you be just as happy if they brought out the bass for him to do TD?
I think at this stage the fans as well need to think outside the box. They have a set, but they want to do some unexpected things, too, once in a while. I think this was a nice surprise that went down really well - even though I'm not a big fan of the studio version. It is indeed good live, though.
I did listen, and you're right, he plays some nice stuff.
As to your list of songs he wasn't on the recorded version of (Gimme Selter, YCAGWYW, etc.), maybe, but he defined those songs live. As for him playing bass on Tumbling Dice, I have no problem with that either.
I agree. He helped defining new versions of these songs live. My point was that he musn't necessarily play what he did on the studio versions, as things like you mentioned happen when he touch newer stuff as well.
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
If you listen to this SOL-version you'll find that some of Taylor's licks were really great on this song. And it's not blues.
Would you be just as happy if they brought out the bass for him to do TD?
I think at this stage the fans as well need to think outside the box. They have a set, but they want to do some unexpected things, too, once in a while. I think this was a nice surprise that went down really well - even though I'm not a big fan of the studio version. It is indeed good live, though.
I did listen, and you're right, he plays some nice stuff.
As to your list of songs he wasn't on the recorded version of (Gimme Selter, YCAGWYW, etc.), maybe, but he defined those songs live. As for him playing bass on Tumbling Dice, I have no problem with that either.
I agree. He helped defining new versions of these songs live. My point was that he musn't necessarily play what he did on the studio versions, as things like you mentioned happen when he touch newer stuff as well.
If Taylor is only permitted to play on songs he was originally featured on, by that logic we'd have Ronnie on 3 songs per show.
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Then I speculate if extra playing time for Mick Taylor, which I strongly hope for, can more naturally be obtained on songs that have not been played live that much, many of them relatively new, where consequently less of an established way of performing the songs has developed (who plays what), and likewise on completely new songs.
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
If you listen to this SOL-version you'll find that some of Taylor's licks were really great on this song. And it's not blues.
Would you be just as happy if they brought out the bass for him to do TD?
I think at this stage the fans as well need to think outside the box. They have a set, but they want to do some unexpected things, too, once in a while. I think this was a nice surprise that went down really well - even though I'm not a big fan of the studio version. It is indeed good live, though.
I did listen, and you're right, he plays some nice stuff.
As to your list of songs he wasn't on the recorded version of (Gimme Selter, YCAGWYW, etc.), maybe, but he defined those songs live. As for him playing bass on Tumbling Dice, I have no problem with that either.
I agree. He helped defining new versions of these songs live. My point was that he musn't necessarily play what he did on the studio versions, as things like you mentioned happen when he touch newer stuff as well.
If Taylor is only permitted to play on songs he was originally featured on, by that logic we'd have Ronnie on 3 songs per show.
If he was a guest, that is
what a freakin' awesome singalong! not to be mean toQuote
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US audiences, but stuff like that only happens in europe.
don't wait for a next time, get yourself on a plane!