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so mt has a technical problem with his guitar and i read this thread and learn that it is a quarrel no, it is a fight to the point of wrestling between him and keith, more: the quarrel is that keith is possibly angry because of mt playing too long...

then i see this

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MarkSchneider
Midnight Rambler Zurich 2014




(8:22 - 9:35 MT's guitar incident)

hey what's wrong in here people

Thanks for posting, Mark - now we have the solution of all these riddles and worries. Mick's guitar clearsly gets heavily out of tune so he hands it to the back to get it fixed. Usually, at that point in the show, he would play licks and fills to interact with Jagger, but now he can't.

You can see him in the back, playing air guitar, quite amusing, then throwing his pick into the air in a guesture of resignation. Later, Keith turns to Charlie and clearly grins from one ear to the other - that's just things which happen during shows and it has to take more to get the Stones out of the flow during the show...

I must admit to be relieved - at first I had thought there really could have been some quarrel between Mick T and Keith. Well then, on with the show...

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Good to see all of the smoke coming from the crowd.

Worried About You is one of my favourite Stones tracks, and they're nailing it. Ronnie's solos are much better on the recent versions than they were in '02-'03. I think the Les Paul has a lot to do with it, the thick tone just sounds so much better imo. Hope they play it in Auckland!

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I am still on a Rolling Stones high from Zurich and seeing their plane take off was just the icing on the cake. The entrance fee to the observation deck was five Swiss francs well spent! Their plane waited so long to take off that I barely squeaked onto my own plane - a few minutes more and the door would have closed. After a while on the deck, I was approached by a very meek-looking Swiss lady, aged 75 at the very least, who obviously recognised that I wasn't your average plane spotter - because neither was she. I speak no German and she spoke no English but she communicated to me that she'd been at the show the night before and that she loved the Rolling Stones. She mimicked her heart pounding when the plane taxied by and tears rolling down her cheeks when it left. She also very sweetly took a Rolling Stones Established in 1962 badge out of her pocket and bestowed it on me before hurrying me off to my plane. It was one of those lovely encounters that just happen if you're a Rolling Stones fan.

And that's what it was like all along in Zurich - another one of those trips where you are lucky enough to be seeing the Rolling Stones and then you also meet congenial fellow fans, including some you've only ever known before as a username, in a picturesque city enjoying good weather. What's not to like?!

As far as I'm concerned, the Rolling Stones are still a phenomenal live act like no other. Did I hear any mistakes? I sure did and a fair few of them as well beyond the ones mentioned. Is this something new? No. Did it spoil my enjoyment? Not one jot. And from where I stood, I can't say I noticed it spoiling anyone else's enjoyment either. Probably those mistakes lasted for a total of a minute out of a two-hour show - DOH - and I'd be mad to stand around dissecting a few fleeting mistakes instead of carrying on enjoying what follow them. When they do make a mistake, I like seeing anyway how they recover from it and recover they do.

Same goes for the setlist. I can read any setlist written in black and white and form an opinion, but the real proof of any setlist is in the pudding and that means being there. Ditto the tinny-sounding phone videos. No way can you get any of the atmosphere from all these uploads. You have to be there. And how very much more boring a setlist would be if it was played robotically and note-perfect every single time. If that was the case, then I might as well sit at home and play Rolling Stones records all night - and I can do that any old time already, so I'll take the other choice while it's still on offer because some day it won't be.

They tricked us with Bitch alright. After hearing it in the sound check, it was the certain fan choice, we all thought. Har har… It sounded good though and I can't imagine they won't play it sooner or later for some lucky audience. Highlights for me were Worried About You (so tremendous that it almost made you want to cry), You Got Me Rockin and Out of Control. And shoot me down but I even loved Can't Be Seen, warts and all. It looked to me as if Keith was trying very hard to look at a teleprompter of some kind initially and then gave up after a few lines. Anyone can say what they like about Keith Richards, but he still produces sublime and priceless sounds that only he can. Charlie is always solidly pounding away there at the back and don't they and we all just rightly love him for it. Ronnie does not receive enough credit and recognition for the clever and inspired guitarist he really is, which was well in evidence in Zurich. And Mick of course is set to remain the best frontman ever - forever.

I was puzzled suddenly to see a guitarless MT dancing about at the back and playing air guitar, but how on earth this got blown up into a fisticuffs with Keith is beyond me. And about Tina Turner - I also read a rumour that she had recently suffered a stroke, which was denied by her camp and it has to be said that she looks radiant in that photo. So who knows. She is about 75 now, so maybe she's hung up her dancing shoes. She must be pals too with Lisa, who was a backing singer on at least one relatively recent tour.

Roll on Berlin is all I can say.

Oh yes - I forgot to mention that only Keith Richards can look that good in such a luridly luminous pink shirt!

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Taylor busted a string, and had some trouble getting a new guitar, lenurb.

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Yep, probably, but not only and/or not at the begining??? He was able to play the fisrt seconds, but complaining about something, I saw him clearly with his right hand upon his right ear.

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Yep, probably, but not only and/or not at the begining??? He was able to play the fisrt seconds, but complaining about something, I saw him clearly with his right hand upon his right ear.

It's an ongoing Taylor thing to complain about not being able to hear himself. Onstage there nearly always seems to be something he's not happy about.

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First "Go, Ronnie" and now this. Is your account being hi-jacked from time to time?

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It's an ongoing Taylor thing to complain about not being able to hear himself. Onstage there nearly always seems to be something he's not happy about.

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I said this before (before the O²-gigs, ànd afterwards - after seeing them there - too), and I'll say it again... :

Mick T is mentally incapable to handle the pressure (again) of being a (semi-)'Stone' on tour;
he can't handle playing on more then 2-or-so songs per night.

Thàt is the one & only reason for him being zo 'underinvolved' musically, this tour.

And no, I don't have anything 'solid' to go by (no proof, no quotes on or off record, no qualifications); I'm just sure of it.

Kudos to him -

but the sooner this farce is over, the better - for unwillingly & unknowingly, he's dragging the band through the dirt... For they get slagged & slaughtered over this by the (ahum) 'real' fans.

Yeah, I guess that explains why the second show at the Staples Center - where Taylor played brilliantly on Sway, CYHMK and MR (and also strummed on Satisfaction) - is seen by many as the best concert since the November 2012 Reunion.

This has got to be the craziest suggestion I've seen in a long time. You don't even seem to realise you're basing your conclusion on imagined incidents which - for some inexplicable reason - only took place in the mind of some viewers.

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I said this before (before the O²-gigs, ànd afterwards - after seeing them there - too), and I'll say it again... :

Mick T is mentally incapable to handle the pressure (again) of being a (semi-)'Stone' on tour;
he can't handle playing on more then 2-or-so songs per night.

Thàt is the one & only reason for him being zo 'underinvolved' musically, this tour.

And no, I don't have anything 'solid' to go by (no proof, no quotes on or off record, no qualifications); I'm just sure of it.

Kudos to him -

but the sooner this farce is over, the better - for unwillingly & unknowingly, he's dragging the band through the dirt... For they get slagged & slaughtered over this by the (ahum) 'real' fans.

Yeah, I guess that explains why the second show at the Staples Center - where Taylor played brilliantly on Sway, CYHMK and MR (and also strummed on Satisfaction) - is seen by many as the best concert since the November 2012 Reunion.

This has got to be the craziest suggestion I've seen in a long time. You don't even seem to realise you're basing your conclusion on imagined incidents which - for some inexplicable reason - only took place in the mind of some viewers.

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For the record: I am NOT basing my 'conclusion' (I prefer the word "opinion", though; I clearly indicated it is nothing more than that - albeit one I'm SURE about) on 'rumours' nor (true or false) 'incidents'. I refered to "farce" as a generic, general thing - it certainly WASN'T a reference to these so-called "recent stage incidents", imagined or not, widely discussed on this forum lately. (a discussion I dind' even follow, for I hadn't attended the gig so I had no 'point of view' on it - plus: I wasn't interested in it AT ALL; I considered it just more ildle babble, so common on this board as of late.) It was DandelionPowderman who read that reference in my statement falsely; and that false interpretation stands hereby corrected.

I base my opinion on his 'stage prescence' I've observed during his solo gigs I've attended (roughly in between '92 and 2000), and this couple of Stones gigs I've seen since november 2012 were he was a special guest.

He can't handle being on stage at this level; and the band knows that too.

No problem if you think this opinion of mine is 'crazy'; I'll stick by it (until proven wrong) nonetheless.

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I am still on a Rolling Stones high from Zurich and seeing their plane take off was just the icing on the cake. The entrance fee to the observation deck was five Swiss francs well spent! Their plane waited so long to take off that I barely squeaked onto my own plane - a few minutes more and the door would have closed. After a while on the deck, I was approached by a very meek-looking Swiss lady, aged 75 at the very least, who obviously recognised that I wasn't your average plane spotter - because neither was she. I speak no German and she spoke no English but she communicated to me that she'd been at the show the night before and that she loved the Rolling Stones. She mimicked her heart pounding when the plane taxied by and tears rolling down her cheeks when it left. She also very sweetly took a Rolling Stones Established in 1962 badge out of her pocket and bestowed it on me before hurrying me off to my plane. It was one of those lovely encounters that just happen if you're a Rolling Stones fan.

And that's what it was like all along in Zurich - another one of those trips where you are lucky enough to be seeing the Rolling Stones and then you also meet congenial fellow fans, including some you've only ever known before as a username, in a picturesque city enjoying good weather. What's not to like?!

As far as I'm concerned, the Rolling Stones are still a phenomenal live act like no other. Did I hear any mistakes? I sure did and a fair few of them as well beyond the ones mentioned. Is this something new? No. Did it spoil my enjoyment? Not one jot. And from where I stood, I can't say I noticed it spoiling anyone else's enjoyment either. Probably those mistakes lasted for a total of a minute out of a two-hour show - DOH - and I'd be mad to stand around dissecting a few fleeting mistakes instead of carrying on enjoying what follow them. When they do make a mistake, I like seeing anyway how they recover from it and recover they do.

Same goes for the setlist. I can read any setlist written in black and white and form an opinion, but the real proof of any setlist is in the pudding and that means being there. Ditto the tinny-sounding phone videos. No way can you get any of the atmosphere from all these uploads. You have to be there. And how very much more boring a setlist would be if it was played robotically and note-perfect every single time. If that was the case, then I might as well sit at home and play Rolling Stones records all night - and I can do that any old time already, so I'll take the other choice while it's still on offer because some day it won't be.

They tricked us with Bitch alright. After hearing it in the sound check, it was the certain fan choice, we all thought. Har har… It sounded good though and I can't imagine they won't play it sooner or later for some lucky audience. Highlights for me were Worried About You (so tremendous that it almost made you want to cry), You Got Me Rockin and Out of Control. And shoot me down but I even loved Can't Be Seen, warts and all. It looked to me as if Keith was trying very hard to look at a teleprompter of some kind initially and then gave up after a few lines. Anyone can say what they like about Keith Richards, but he still produces sublime and priceless sounds that only he can. Charlie is always solidly pounding away there at the back and don't they and we all just rightly love him for it. Ronnie does not receive enough credit and recognition for the clever and inspired guitarist he really is, which was well in evidence in Zurich. And Mick of course is set to remain the best frontman ever - forever.

I was puzzled suddenly to see a guitarless MT dancing about at the back and playing air guitar, but how on earth this got blown up into a fisticuffs with Keith is beyond me. And about Tina Turner - I also read a rumour that she had recently suffered a stroke, which was denied by her camp and it has to be said that she looks radiant in that photo. So who knows. She is about 75 now, so maybe she's hung up her dancing shoes. She must be pals too with Lisa, who was a backing singer on at least one relatively recent tour.

Roll on Berlin is all I can say.

What a lovely review - after all the nonsense posted yesterday its great to hear how it felt to be there ( when you can't be there yourself)

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and also if the cameramen avoided to repeatedly step on stage during the show in order to shoot short close - ups of the guitar strings.

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and also if the cameramen avoided to repeatedly step on stage during the show in order to shoot short close - ups of the guitar strings.

I must say that watching the YT videos the camera guys do seem to get in the way a lot...I don't remember such "business" in the past? Can't help but remember Mick's concern when talking to Scorcese that he didn't want the cameras to interfere with the band and audience for SAL...well everything changes I suppose!