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I write here about Mick because I get the impression from moderator's orders that this thread is dedicated to deal this 'matter' from all possible angles, as long they are done with a respect. If it does look unsuitable here - because I don't speak of L'Wren - please let me know people, and I'll find it another thread ('complaint' one I guess).


As far as Mick Jagger goes, what is also so tragical in this horrible event is that during his time with L'Wren Sir Mick finally seemed to get out of the tabloid crap he's been associated with all of his adult life. There weren't any longer nasty gossips reporting his doings here and there. The last time Jagger really was making negative headlines was his divorce with Jerry. Then Jagger got - rightly or not I don't know - all the hate and dispise from pseudo-feminist/ moralistic tabloid camp one could get. The only time since then that happened it was thanks to his band-mate to have fun of him negatively (todger-gate). Jagger simply haven't offered material any longer to make such news, and the tabloid scene have also accepted this 'new' Jagger. He has his reputation, we all know that, but what actually has happened have been damn positive to him. The aging rock star - and the one most protecting for his privacy - have been able to live his life, which also from an outset - the front to public sphere - looked relaxed and 'good'. The kids all around the world were singing "move like Jagger", and recognizing his iconist status, and the guy himself looked like making a peace with his own legendary past, and, you know, maturing up. It all has looked so great for Jagger in public.

But now all of that explodes in one big bang - maybe in biggest one ever. Not that this must be his biggest personal tragedy ever, damn sure the tabloid will have a field day. 'Yeah, that's our Jagger! We almost forget that one, but he's back!'And shit, there are all those biographers already busy editing their Jagger-books to add there a new final chapter to go along with the scandalous earlier ones, and after some boring ones. It is both his private and public life on flames here. As so much he has to do sorting out his personal pain and private life, he needs to deal with the public one too.

I don't think he, after all these years, deserved and deserves that. That looks so unjust. So damn wrong. I guess for the very first time ever I actually am feeling sorry for him, as crazy as it might sound. He is a human being, after all. That semi-god.

Or at least this all looks very disappointing to my eyes; weren't we all like wittnessing a kind of 'happy end' in all fronts here, the band, is members and their families and lives - even Ronnie finally sorted out, Taylor back onboard - everybody feeling happy and rightfully so. We all were so happy.

And then disaster like this happens. In the very private center of the whole Stones world. It is just so sad. So terribly sad.

- Doxa

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this one show in Perth is rescheduled, and the next ones are on, apparently..

what about a tribute, before the next show, a one-time brief montage and dedication to L'Wren..on the stage screen, in order to acknowledge and let all know the love and respect for her..

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duke richardson
this one show in Perth is rescheduled, and the next ones are on, apparently..

what about a tribute, before the next show, a one-time brief montage and dedication to L'Wren..on the stage screen, in order to acknowledge and let all know the love and respect for her..

It is not clear what the state of Mick's private relationship was at the time of her death or in the months leading up to her suicide. Therefore, it would seem that Mr. Jagger and the band, et al, should deal with this tragedy privately. To speculate the nature of their relationship over the past decade and recent months is none of our business. We can only take his words as true that he is "shocked" and "devastated" but paying tribute to her during a Stones is not, in my opinion, the proper place for such outpourings of grief. There will be, I am sure, many people in attendance that do not know of her passing or past relationship with Mick. To paint him as "our hero" and a Romeo like figure is nonsense. He is not my hero. He is not Romeo. Lothario would be a better term given his multiple children with multiple women. Also keep in mind that people paying top dollar to be entertained by the Rolling Stones and not attend a funeral. The two events-a concert and a memorial to L'Wren, are incongruous at best. In poor taste at worst.

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Am I alone in finding the speculation on this thread to be in poor taste?

A woman lost her life, please remember that.

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Oh, could we just drop this pretense in feeling that we actually have a personal relationship with people we don't even know, let alone never having met? Mick Jagger is a public figure, an entertainer, and we, the public, are the entertained. That, as far as we are concerned, is the extent of any "relationship" here, such that it is.

This is a fan forum and speculation is our business, and business is always booming, 7 days a week.

Perhaps fans who vicariously project their thoughts so intensely into the private sphere of a personal loss involving people they have no personal relationship with are probably taking the private details of these public figures too personally. It's none of our business, really.

Think of it this way, from the point of view of one who finds the music more important than a musician/performer's personal business: Perhaps Mick will channel his loss into creative efforts and Stones fans may be blessed with another late period classic like Out Of Control.

No one's said anything of the sort. You have an amazing ability to take 4 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing at all.

Carry on.

No one has to--some things are implied rather than stated outright.

There were women in Mick Jagger's life before L'Wren Scott, there will be women in Mick Jagger's life after L'Wren Scott--and we will all know the name of his next girlfriend within a year's time.

I listen to Stones music most every day and have taken this music into my own life in my own way and it remains a big part of my life--but hardly ever do I ruminate on the private lives of the Stones themselves, except for the circumstances surrounding Brian Jones' death and I have speculated on how Keith's book may have affected his friendship with Mick over the long term. But I don't know these people personally, it is none of my business, and I will never know the full story. Best for me then to just keep on enjoying the music and not project my personal emotions into their private business. My only interest is in what they bring to the stage. There is likely a story behind this tragedy we are not being made aware of, the details of which may never be made public, at least not for a number of years.

This last paragraph says nothing at all but is included here for your convenience, because I have "an amazing ability to take 4 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing at all" reputation to maintain.

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this one show in Perth is rescheduled, and the next ones are on, apparently..

what about a tribute, before the next show, a one-time brief montage and dedication to L'Wren..on the stage screen, in order to acknowledge and let all know the love and respect for her..

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duke richardson
this one show in Perth is rescheduled, and the next ones are on, apparently..

what about a tribute, before the next show, a one-time brief montage and dedication to L'Wren..on the stage screen, in order to acknowledge and let all know the love and respect for her..

Funeral/memorial service should suffice and besides, she's not a band member.

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Way too much speculation here. Sometimes it is appropriate to simply say nothing at all. We do not need to express our opinion about every situation or tragedy. Nature abhors a vacuum, and it's human nature to try to fill the void of things we don't know - or can't know - with our own speculation. But sometimes it is best to resist that natural urge and just let it be. Why can't we just agree that we can't possibly know what was in the mind of someone who chooses to take such horrific and tragic action?

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Reported today: "Our source tells us it was some overwhelming issues with her top-notch fashion label that sent her down a final spiral. According to business records on file in Britain, as Scott’s business LS Fashion Ltd. operated from a London base, the design company had an October balance sheet stating that it was $5.9 million in debt in 2012 after closing 2011’s fiscal year $4.2 million in red. The balance sheet also indicates that more than $1.7 million was owed to creditors within one year and a significant $7.6 million due after that."

it's interesting - i always thought her career was a sparkling success- some of the biggest names in the world wear her- but it seems like it was a giant facade - makes one wonder about other "successes" as they are presented to the public - another problem in a society today that thrives on hype over substance. We don't know what demons drove her to this tragic act, but it would appear that this particular pressure may have played a part. She was going to have a long and hard road ahead with lawsuits, loss of reputation etc - a tough moment in life -

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Way too much speculation here. Sometimes it is appropriate to simply say nothing at all. We do not need to express our opinion about every situation or tragedy. Nature abhors a vacuum, and it's human nature to try to fill the void of things we don't know - or can't know - with our own speculation. But sometimes it is best to resist that natural urge and just let it be. Why can't we just agree that we can't possibly know what was in the mind of someone who chooses to take such horrific and tragic action?

i agree with the spirit of this in part, but i don't see any wild speculation here- just fans sharing their thoughts and feelings, which is natural. I don't think anyone claims to know what was in her mind, but on a fan board where dissection and opinion is sort of the purpose of it all, i actually think people here have been respectful, reflective and classy. There are facts here that can't be ignored - i don't see the problem with acknowledging them, as part of the process of shock and grief. Everybody approaches these things in their own way -some are more spiritual, some are more clinical and everything in between. And if some have opinions that stem from those, within the bounds of taste and decency, i'd say those observations are fine. But overall, again, i'm impressed with all of the voices here - everyone is just being who they are.

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71Tele
Way too much speculation here. Sometimes it is appropriate to simply say nothing at all. We do not need to express our opinion about every situation or tragedy. Nature abhors a vacuum, and it's human nature to try to fill the void of things we don't know - or can't know - with our own speculation. But sometimes it is best to resist that natural urge and just let it be. Why can't we just agree that we can't possibly know what was in the mind of someone who chooses to take such horrific and tragic action?

i agree with the spirit of this in part, but i don't see any wild speculation here- just fans sharing their thoughts and feelings, which is natural. I don't think anyone claims to know what was in her mind, but on a fan board where dissection and opinion is sort of the purpose of it all, i actually think people here have been respectful, reflective and classy. There are facts here that can't be ignored - i don't see the problem with acknowledging them, as part of the process of shock and grief. Everybody approaches these things in their own way -some are more spiritual, some are more clinical and everything in between. And if some have opinions that stem from those, within the bounds of taste and decency, i'd say those observations are fine. But overall, again, i'm impressed with all of the voices here - everyone is just being who they are.

hb, you keep up that kind of level headed talk coupled with your measured and well thought approach and you could be a writer someday!

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Am I alone in finding the speculation on this thread to be in poor taste?

A woman lost her life, please remember that.

you are not alone.

it's one thing to speculate about trivial matters...this is not trivial.

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Way too much speculation here. Sometimes it is appropriate to simply say nothing at all. We do not need to express our opinion about every situation or tragedy. Nature abhors a vacuum, and it's human nature to try to fill the void of things we don't know - or can't know - with our own speculation. But sometimes it is best to resist that natural urge and just let it be. Why can't we just agree that we can't possibly know what was in the mind of someone who chooses to take such horrific and tragic action?

i agree with the spirit of this in part, but i don't see any wild speculation here- just fans sharing their thoughts and feelings, which is natural. I don't think anyone claims to know what was in her mind, but on a fan board where dissection and opinion is sort of the purpose of it all, i actually think people here have been respectful, reflective and classy. There are facts here that can't be ignored - i don't see the problem with acknowledging them, as part of the process of shock and grief. Everybody approaches these things in their own way -some are more spiritual, some are more clinical and everything in between. And if some have opinions that stem from those, within the bounds of taste and decency, i'd say those observations are fine. But overall, again, i'm impressed with all of the voices here - everyone is just being who they are.

hb, you keep up that kind of level headed talk coupled with your measured and well thought approach and you could be a writer someday!

but i mean it! there has been some really poignant stuff written here - from the heart - and some good analysis. just what i expect on IORR.

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Way too much speculation here. Sometimes it is appropriate to simply say nothing at all. We do not need to express our opinion about every situation or tragedy. Nature abhors a vacuum, and it's human nature to try to fill the void of things we don't know - or can't know - with our own speculation. But sometimes it is best to resist that natural urge and just let it be. Why can't we just agree that we can't possibly know what was in the mind of someone who chooses to take such horrific and tragic action?

i agree with the spirit of this in part, but i don't see any wild speculation here- just fans sharing their thoughts and feelings, which is natural. I don't think anyone claims to know what was in her mind, but on a fan board where dissection and opinion is sort of the purpose of it all, i actually think people here have been respectful, reflective and classy. There are facts here that can't be ignored - i don't see the problem with acknowledging them, as part of the process of shock and grief. Everybody approaches these things in their own way -some are more spiritual, some are more clinical and everything in between. And if some have opinions that stem from those, within the bounds of taste and decency, i'd say those observations are fine. But overall, again, i'm impressed with all of the voices here - everyone is just being who they are.

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Hopefully her dogs will be taken care of.

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Way too much speculation here. Sometimes it is appropriate to simply say nothing at all. We do not need to express our opinion about every situation or tragedy. Nature abhors a vacuum, and it's human nature to try to fill the void of things we don't know - or can't know - with our own speculation. But sometimes it is best to resist that natural urge and just let it be. Why can't we just agree that we can't possibly know what was in the mind of someone who chooses to take such horrific and tragic action?

i agree with the spirit of this in part, but i don't see any wild speculation here- just fans sharing their thoughts and feelings, which is natural. I don't think anyone claims to know what was in her mind, but on a fan board where dissection and opinion is sort of the purpose of it all, i actually think people here have been respectful, reflective and classy. There are facts here that can't be ignored - i don't see the problem with acknowledging them, as part of the process of shock and grief. Everybody approaches these things in their own way -some are more spiritual, some are more clinical and everything in between. And if some have opinions that stem from those, within the bounds of taste and decency, i'd say those observations are fine. But overall, again, i'm impressed with all of the voices here - everyone is just being who they are.

hb, you keep up that kind of level headed talk coupled with your measured and well thought approach and you could be a writer someday!

but i mean it! there has been some really poignant stuff written here - from the heart - and some good analysis. just what i expect on IORR.