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Aquamarine
I'm not attacking your piece, I don't really understand it, to be honest--but in any case, I never saw Keith as wanting to compete with MT during their years together in the band, there seemed an entirely different dynamic going on there. Keith, after all, was in a position to choose what role he wanted to play in the band. And this "One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era." was quite possibly exactly how he saw it.
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rob51
These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?
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rob51
These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?
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rob51
These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?
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Aquamarine
I'm not attacking your piece, I don't really understand it, to be honest--but in any case, I never saw Keith as wanting to compete with MT during their years together in the band, there seemed an entirely different dynamic going on there. Keith, after all, was in a position to choose what role he wanted to play in the band. And this "One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era." was quite possibly exactly how he saw it.
Oh, and Keith being pissed--yeah, pissed that he left, not that he made the band sound so good.
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rob51
These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?
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His Majesty
Well, I think Keith is a much better guitar player than Taylor and that they sounded better before.
Now, you may think this is 1000 miles in to the land of ridiculous, but Keith was a musician who came up with so many creative, brilliant hooks, riffs, solos and multi guitar arrangements that defined somgs and inspired millions of people.
Anyway, Taylor had no intent to stay in the band for a long time, he was always going to leave.
The Rolling Stones was everything to Keith, for Taylor is was just an interesting thing to be involved in for awhile.
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LuxuryStones
Richards for the masses, Taylor for the more subtle and sensitive listeners.
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His Majesty
Well, I think Keith is a much better guitar player than Taylor and that they sounded better before.
Now, you may think this is 1000 miles in to the land of ridiculous, but Keith was a musician who came up with so many creative, brilliant hooks, riffs, solos and multi guitar arrangements that defined somgs and inspired millions of people.
Anyway, Taylor had no intent to stay in the band for a long time, he was always going to leave.
The Rolling Stones was everything to Keith, for Taylor is was just an interesting thing to be involved in for awhile.
Keith worked harder for sure, like you described it, but to compare them as guitarists makes no sense to me. When Taylor was with the Stones, the band had that different and unique sound, I think part of the boost came from Taylor's playing, on stage in particular. Being a good guitarist is more than just writing songs, coming up with riffs. It's also the style, feel and the aura of one's playing that influences fellow musicians + the audience, both on a conscious and subconscious level. In my opinion, Richards and Taylor got the best out of each other. The very fact that Taylor was only with them for 5 years, and Richards for 50 years should not be confused with talent, or being a better player having more ideas. Richards worked 40 years on the Stones project, Taylor only 5.That made the difference. As guitarists they both had their individual talents. Richards for the masses, Taylor for the more subtle and sensitive listeners.
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His Majesty
Syle, feel, aura and influence, Keith had loads of that.Quote
LuxuryStones
Richards for the masses, Taylor for the more subtle and sensitive listeners.
Liking Taylor means you like Taylor, nothing more, nothing less.
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LuxuryStones
I do like Richards as well...
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His Majesty
Syle, feel, aura and influence, Keith had loads of that.Quote
LuxuryStones
Richards for the masses, Taylor for the more subtle and sensitive listeners.
Liking Taylor means you like Taylor, nothing more, nothing less.
I do like Richards as well, but Taylor tickled my musical fantasy more.
Thinking Richards is a better guitarist means you like Richards better, nothing more, nothing less.
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LuxuryStones
I'm afraid we are in the minority, Kleer.
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I'm afraid we are in the minority, Kleer.
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kleermaker
Keith has invented lots of great riffs, but as a guitar player he has never been that good. I remember I was a big fan of his when Taylor wasn't in the band yet, particularly because of the fact he was a guitar underdog.
When Taylor arrived, the band got another great voice, which resulted in a tremendous melodic upgrade. These factors together, Richards manly way of (power)playing, Taylor's extremely melodic and soulful way of playing, the great rhythmic heart of the band and Jagger's voice made the band an unbeatable monster on stage during the 69-73 years. A level never reached before or after by nobody.
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His Majesty
The thing of Taylor being so melodic and soulful is being overstated. You never seem to acknowledge some of that playing is just Taylor running through stock phrases and/or running through his latest worked out licks on a particular scale etc. There is plenty of coasting, buying time and widdle - ie just playing without really saying anything from him.
Maybe you don't hear it, but every musician does it.