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These bits of Taylor era live Stones prove it once again. They never sounded so good before or after him and Keith must have been pissed. You just bring up the rear while I handle the load up here boy is what it sounds like to me. Not something that would have sat too well with an egotist such as K.Richards seems to be, especially after all his own success with the band before Taylor came around. Too bad Keiths ego came before the musicall integrity of the band and he created enough tension for Mick T. to decide to run. Thats the way I see it anyway and of course your all welcome to attack now that I've said my piece.
I will say though that in Keiths defence few players were ever as good as M.Taylor was during his time with the Stones. And it was a futile battle if Keith thought he could even compete with Taylor at the time. One was probably one of the best lead blues/rock guitar player there's ever been, the other a very good solid ryhtum player that also wrote many of the best rock/pop tunes of his era. Like Brian before him trying to take on M.Jagger for top dog in the band, Keith just couldn't come close to Mick as a guitar player, and its a shame we'll never know what might have been, had Keith been more willing to take less of an upfront roll?

Well, I think Keith is a much better guitar player than Taylor and that they sounded better before.

Now, you may think this is 1000 miles in to the land of ridiculous, but Keith was a musician who came up with so many creative, brilliant hooks, riffs, solos and multi guitar arrangements that defined somgs and inspired millions of people.

You focus on Keith's ego, but why not on Taylor's?

Anyway, Taylor had no intent to stay in the band for a long time, he was always going to leave.

The Rolling Stones was everything to Keith, for Taylor is was just an interesting thing to be involved in for awhile.

That last sentence is very true. It's also true that Taylor had to get away or quit for his own good because he was in way over his head with drugs ..

He quit because he was frustrated and wanted to do something else. His drug problem actually got worse after he left the Stones. I imagine he's been quite conflicted over the years about his decision to leave the Stones. Kinda like my friend's ex-husband who calls her occasionally when he's had too much to drink and is pining after his old life. Other times, I'm sure he's very happy to be on his own.

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Keith has invented lots of great riffs, but as a guitar player he has never been that good

YEAH and he always the first to admit to that ....

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Yep, that's what I said. And right he is.

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Keith is a pioneer of rock guitar. He rewrote the book on open chording and wrote rock's greatest catalog from it. He has recorded the single most memorable Stones solo, SFD. He was lead guitarist with Brian, handed the job to Taylor (because he is wise, bands in that era needed a gunslinger type and more modest than you'd guess). He then split the job with Ronnie, once again reinventing guitar tones and effects on Some Girls. It's hard to look at his arthritic condition today and say he's the same player but that does not diminish the facts. He is instantly recognizable on recordings which is the mark of a true great. Next people are going to say John Lennon was not a great guitarist

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So tell me your musical grounds for why he isn't playing good in the videos I posted, kleerie..

Are you thinking of his solo playing, his rhythm playing, his songwriting or his riffing? His licks? Or all of this? This calls for an ellaboration, methinks

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You're out on your own on with this one, kleerie.

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You're out on your own on with this one, kleerie.

No problem Dandie. I have a weak spot for Keith, as I wrote. That's enough. But I know he's a saint in Stonesland.

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The people here are getting dumber..

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If we are talking about guitar playing, we're not talking about songwriting or inventing riffs. His solo playing is mediocre at best, his rhythm playing is great, but not in combination with a mediocre melodic player like what's his name. His licks and his slide playing are nothing special. The way he plays his riffs on stage vary between fantastic and wobbly. His acoustic guitar skills are just okay, but nothing special.

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His Majesty
Ok, ok, maybe not such a good idea to have Taylor only play riff/rhythm and have Keith solo through out.

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Ok, ok, maybe not such a good idea to have Taylor only play riff/rhythm and have Keith solo through out.

A splendid idea to have Taylor playing the riff/rhythm in this very case, my dear HM. He's consitent, smooth timing, he almost makes it feel like lounging. It doesn't always have to be a hammer. But no doubt he could have done a professional lead as well. And yes, no worries, I do like Keith's sex, drugs and & RR playing here as well.

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Ok, ok, maybe not such a good idea to have Taylor only play riff/rhythm and have Keith solo through out.

A splendid idea to have Taylor playing the riff/rhythm in this very case, my dear HM. He's consitent, smooth timing, he almost makes it feel like lounging. It doesn't always have to be a hammer. But no doubt he could have done a professional lead as well. And yes, no worries, I do like Keith's sex, drugs and & RR playing here as well.

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Ok, ok, maybe not such a good idea to have Taylor only play riff/rhythm and have Keith solo through out.

A splendid idea to have Taylor playing the riff/rhythm in this very case, my dear HM. He's consitent, smooth timing, he almost makes it feel like lounging. It doesn't always have to be a hammer. But no doubt he could have done a professional lead as well. And yes, no worries, I do like Keith's sex, drugs and & RR playing here as well.

Ah, you misundrstand, I said that due to Keith's pretty poor lead playing on this.

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His Majesty
Hmm, I dunno, aside from the distinctive sting lick and some fills here and there his part just sounds like widdlong without a purpose to me.

Taylor's rhythm during the solo sounds to me like an attempt to provide some tension and variety from the main motif.

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Yep, that's what I said. And right he is.

No, wrong he is. Of course he's not going to say he's amazing.

Keith was very creative and that ties in with his guitar playing.

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Yep, that's what I said. And right he is.

No, wrong he is. Of course he's not going to say he's amazing.

Keith was very creative and that ties in with his guitar playing.

I agree completely. How do you separate creativity from skills? Mick has played with every guitar god around (remember She's the Boss? Satriani on tour?), but I can't recall any of their solos, even though I'm sure they were great. But, like every Stones fan, Keith's solos (think of tumbling Dice, YCAGWYW, or Sympathy) are burned in my memory, as important to those tracks as the lyrics, or Jagger's vocals. He has always been much more than intros and riffs. His musical creativity have resulted in solos that virtually everyone who has listened to the Stones can hum in their sleep.

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Ok, ok, maybe not such a good idea to have Taylor only play riff/rhythm and have Keith solo through out.

A splendid idea to have Taylor playing the riff/rhythm in this very case, my dear HM. He's consitent, smooth timing, he almost makes it feel like lounging. It doesn't always have to be a hammer. But no doubt he could have done a professional lead as well. And yes, no worries, I do like Keith's sex, drugs and & RR playing here as well.

Ah, you misundrstand, I said that due to Keith's pretty poor lead playing on this.

Yeah, he is playing like he's never touched a guitar before