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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
Rock never sought to fuse with jazz? WTF? Charlie and Darryl snickering together? Are you in some sort of altered state right now?
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
Rock never sought to fuse with jazz? WTF? Charlie and Darryl snickering together? Are you in some sort of altered state right now?
Did I stutter? What's your point? Feel free to poke holes in what I said, but you really have to say something in order for that to happen. And I did say MAYBE him and Charlie, etc, as poetic license.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
Rock never sought to fuse with jazz? WTF? Charlie and Darryl snickering together? Are you in some sort of altered state right now?
Did I stutter? What's your point? Feel free to poke holes in what I said, but you really have to say something in order for that to happen. And I did say MAYBE him and Charlie, etc, as poetic license.
When you 'come out of it' let me know and maybe we can have a conversation.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
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Here is Bob Dylan's view of the situation. Taken from an interview by Bill Flanagan (BF) from April 13, 2009:
BF: What do you think of the Stones?
BD: What do I think of them? They’re pretty much finished, aren’t they?
BF: They had a gigantic tour last year. You call that finished?
BD: Oh yeah, you mean Steel Wheels. I’m not saying they don’t keep going, but they need Bill. Without him they’re a funk band. They’ll be the real Rolling Stones when they get Bill back.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
Rock never sought to fuse with jazz? WTF? Charlie and Darryl snickering together? Are you in some sort of altered state right now?
Did I stutter? What's your point? Feel free to poke holes in what I said, but you really have to say something in order for that to happen. And I did say MAYBE him and Charlie, etc, as poetic license.
When you 'come out of it' let me know and maybe we can have a conversation.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
What a silly caricature and over-simplification / distortion of the points I was trying to make. Did you take the time to go listen to the approach he takes to "Live With Me" on "No Security" before proclaiming that he's incapable of playing rock and roll or unwilling to do so?
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Here is Bob Dylan's view of the situation. Taken from an interview by Bill Flanagan (BF) from April 13, 2009:
BF: What do you think of the Stones?
BD: What do I think of them? They’re pretty much finished, aren’t they?
BF: They had a gigantic tour last year. You call that finished?
BD: Oh yeah, you mean Steel Wheels. I’m not saying they don’t keep going, but they need Bill. Without him they’re a funk band. They’ll be the real Rolling Stones when they get Bill back.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
What a silly caricature and over-simplification / distortion of the points I was trying to make. Did you take the time to go listen to the approach he takes to "Live With Me" on "No Security" before proclaiming that he's incapable of playing rock and roll or unwilling to do so?
I know exactly what Darryl has done with the Stones. It started out okay on Voodoo Lounge and then rapidly petered out. Try to remember the bass line from Doom and Gloom. He's irrelevant. So, maybe he's capable of playing rock and roll. Do it already. Make a freakin' difference.
Look, if this version of the Stones is acceptable in your world, enjoy yourself. I like my Stones music with some balls to it. Like it used to have When the little man with the big sound ruled the bottom of the melody.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
What a silly caricature and over-simplification / distortion of the points I was trying to make. Did you take the time to go listen to the approach he takes to "Live With Me" on "No Security" before proclaiming that he's incapable of playing rock and roll or unwilling to do so?
I know exactly what Darryl has done with the Stones. It started out okay on Voodoo Lounge and then rapidly petered out. Try to remember the bass line from Doom and Gloom. He's irrelevant. So, maybe he's capable of playing rock and roll. Do it already. Make a freakin' difference.
Look, if this version of the Stones is acceptable in your world, enjoy yourself. I like my Stones music with some balls to it. Like it used to have When the little man with the big sound ruled the bottom of the melody.
On how many studio tracks has Darryl actually played bass during the past 20 years? On B2B, I count 8 bassists listed in the credits besides Darryl, and then here's the line-up for ABB:
Mick Jagger – lead and backing vocals, guitars, harmonica, keyboards, bass guitar on "Back of My Hand", "She Saw Me Coming", "Dangerous Beauty" and "Sweet Neo Con", percussion
Keith Richards – guitars, backing vocals, keyboards, lead vocals and bass guitar on "This Place is Empty" and "Infamy", percussion on "Infamy"
Ronnie Wood – guitars
Charlie Watts – drums
Additional personnel
Darryl Jones – bass guitar on "Rough Justice", "Let Me Down Slow", "It Won't Take Long", "Rain Fall Down", "Streets of Love", "Biggest Mistake", "Oh No, Not You Again", "Laugh, I Nearly Died", and "Driving Too Fast"
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So if the band sounds like it doesn't have as much in the way of balls "lately" (i.e., during the past 16 years), maybe you'd better blame Mick and Keith rather than Darryl. If they would integrate him more deeply into the songwriting and producing process from start to finish, he could make a huge difference. Instead, it looks as if they just call him in at the last minute and say "here, just fill in the blank spaces." Not much he can do in that situation if the Glimmers have already determined what the groove will be and the groove is no longer up to past standards. The fact is, the fading of the Stones' sound is down to the core Stones' members, not to the potentially most talented (but under-utilized) quasi-member they've got.
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I gotta say, as someone who has seen Darryl Jones play jazz fusion three or four times with the Miles Evans Band at Catalina's in LA, this idea that he is somehow a less gifted / less swinging bassist than Bill W. -- or even worse, that he takes a half-assed approach to his work with the Stones -- is completely preposterous. Just go to Catalina's sometime and watch/listen how he channels Jaco on a tune like "Teen Town" and you will be blown away by how completely locked-in and focused and rolling-the-whole-thing-forward he is, by dancing in front of and behind the main beat: "rocking," if you like. If you don't like the Jaco style, check his work on the live "Live with Me" track on "No Security" and tell me that he isn't completely on top of his game. Or the way he handled "Miss You" on the last mini-tour (which Mick J. himself praised during the mid-December pay-per-view). The fact is that Darryl could sweep the street with any of the Stones as musicians, with the possible exception of Charlie Watts and Mick Taylor. But I sense that he *chooses*, for political and personal reasons, to hold back a little so as not to upstage his Stones' friends and benefactors (who, I sense, from a short conversation I had with him once at Catalina's, he genuinely likes and respects -- all of them, and not just because of the paycheck they give him). Contrast this to Mick T., who completely blew Mick, Keith, and Ronnie away with his guitar playing during the pay-per-view: you could see by the look on all their faces that "holy shit, this guy is in another league as a guitarist compared to us" -- but in that way Mick T. embarrassed them a bit. Possibly because of his chemical experimentation, etc., Mick T. doesn't seem to have the political savvy or even just human empathy that Darryl has. Darryl, I believe, *chooses* to lay back a little and play a far more subtle role than he is certainly capable of playing because (a) trying to upstage the Stones would be churlish, petty, and narcissistic, and (b) he likes the Stones personally and he genuinely appreciates what they've done for them: he wouldn't want to hurt their feelings or show disrespect/ingratitude by doing anything that would appear to upstage them. I sense Darryl is a complex, deeply intelligent, multifaceted character who has calculated the proper role he should play for the Stones during the final two or three decades of their career. Consequently, all the Darryl-bashing seems completely uninformed, mindless, and off-the-mark to. I frankly think the Darryl-bashers haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
So, let me get this straight, Darryl Jones is too good for the Stones? Their music, which some of us are fond of, is so simplistic and childish, that Darryl is doing us a favor by hiding the light of his talent under a bushel basket? By adding nothing emotionally to the Stones music, he is keeping us from facing how utterly empty that music is and how wrong we've been for the past 50 years....and counting?
What a load of crap. It reminds me of the mid-70s when everybody wanted to noodle on bass all day like Stanley Clarke. It was cute for about a year, but no one listens to Jon Luc Ponty music now.
I supposed you're right. Why should Darryl try to approximate the embarrassingly juvenile bass lines that the no talent Bill Wyman thudded down in a feeble attempt to give the Rolling Stones music some back bone? We all know that rock and roll is crap and that's why Mick Taylor left in 1974, to go make meaningful jazz. And what meaningful music he never made.
I guess we're lucky to have a musician the caliber of Darryl Jones even bother to show up on stage and exchange secret grins with Keith. They both know that if Darryl wanted to, he could just swing like a mofo and leave all that Stones kindergarten music on the scorched earth below. He could pump up that old Stones crap so much that people would refuse to leave the stadium. But Darryl is kind and intentionally adds nothing to the music, for fear of overshadowing it. My poor, de classe ears, preferring what Bill Wyman played instead of what Darryl Jones doesn't play.
I'm sure Darry Jones is a nice guy. But he's not a rock and roller, and this is a rock and roll band. If it's so damn easy to play why doesn't he take a swing at it sometime? Rock and Roll is a hobby to him, a sideline. It's not in his bones. Rock and Roll is all emotion. Maybe him and Charlie can snicker together at this contemptible noise they're paid a fortune to recreate.
Always remember that rock never sought to fuse with jazz. It was jazz that came to rock and roll's door. Jimi Hendrix didn't ask to play with Miles, it was the other way around.
What a silly caricature and over-simplification / distortion of the points I was trying to make. Did you take the time to go listen to the approach he takes to "Live With Me" on "No Security" before proclaiming that he's incapable of playing rock and roll or unwilling to do so?
I know exactly what Darryl has done with the Stones. It started out okay on Voodoo Lounge and then rapidly petered out. Try to remember the bass line from Doom and Gloom. He's irrelevant. So, maybe he's capable of playing rock and roll. Do it already. Make a freakin' difference.
Look, if this version of the Stones is acceptable in your world, enjoy yourself. I like my Stones music with some balls to it. Like it used to have When the little man with the big sound ruled the bottom of the melody.
On how many studio tracks has Darryl actually played bass during the past 20 years? On B2B, I count 8 bassists listed in the credits besides Darryl, and then here's the line-up for ABB:
Mick Jagger – lead and backing vocals, guitars, harmonica, keyboards, bass guitar on "Back of My Hand", "She Saw Me Coming", "Dangerous Beauty" and "Sweet Neo Con", percussion
Keith Richards – guitars, backing vocals, keyboards, lead vocals and bass guitar on "This Place is Empty" and "Infamy", percussion on "Infamy"
Ronnie Wood – guitars
Charlie Watts – drums
Additional personnel
Darryl Jones – bass guitar on "Rough Justice", "Let Me Down Slow", "It Won't Take Long", "Rain Fall Down", "Streets of Love", "Biggest Mistake", "Oh No, Not You Again", "Laugh, I Nearly Died", and "Driving Too Fast"
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So if the band sounds like it doesn't have as much in the way of balls "lately" (i.e., during the past 16 years), maybe you'd better blame Mick and Keith rather than Darryl. If they would integrate him more deeply into the songwriting and producing process from start to finish, he could make a huge difference. Instead, it looks as if they just call him in at the last minute and say "here, just fill in the blank spaces." Not much he can do in that situation if the Glimmers have already determined what the groove will be and the groove is no longer up to past standards. The fact is, the fading of the Stones' sound is down to the core Stones' members, not to the potentially most talented (but under-utilized) quasi-member they've got.
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"When I saw Keith with the X-Pensive Winos, I began to think it might be interesting to play rock & roll." That pretty much says it all. He's almost 30 years old and he gets into rock and roll on a whim. And the reason he sounds better on Voodoo Lounge is because he was consciously keeping the Bill Wyman style in mind.
I would love to hear how Bill Wyman would have approached a few jazz numbers. The one shot we had was 'Terrifying' and Bill did just fine. And it's not like Bill wasn't in demand. I can't see Darryl backing Howling Wolf on the London Sessions, or playing behind Muddy Waters on tour like Bill did.
Darryl's resume is quite impressive. Gosh, he played with Madonna, and Sting. Poor Bill. His only real claim to fame is being the bass player for the Rolling Stones their first 30 years.
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"When I saw Keith with the X-Pensive Winos, I began to think it might be interesting to play rock & roll." That pretty much says it all. He's almost 30 years old and he gets into rock and roll on a whim. And the reason he sounds better on Voodoo Lounge is because he was consciously keeping the Bill Wyman style in mind.
I would love to hear how Bill Wyman would have approached a few jazz numbers. The one shot we had was 'Terrifying' and Bill did just fine. And it's not like Bill wasn't in demand. I can't see Darryl backing Howling Wolf on the London Sessions, or playing behind Muddy Waters on tour like Bill did.
Darryl's resume is quite impressive. Gosh, he played with Madonna, and Sting. Poor Bill. His only real claim to fame is being the bass player for the Rolling Stones their first 30 years.
While you're probably right on all accounts here 24FPS, I'm just going to go with whatever Mick, Keith and Charlie decide. They probably don't have an actual clue what they're doing, but it just makes it easier and keeps the stress level in check.
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Here is Bob Dylan's view of the situation. Taken from an interview by Bill Flanagan (BF) from April 13, 2009:
BF: What do you think of the Stones?
BD: What do I think of them? They’re pretty much finished, aren’t they?
BF: They had a gigantic tour last year. You call that finished?
BD: Oh yeah, you mean Steel Wheels. I’m not saying they don’t keep going, but they need Bill. Without him they’re a funk band. They’ll be the real Rolling Stones when they get Bill back.
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Here is Bob Dylan's view of the situation. Taken from an interview by Bill Flanagan (BF) from April 13, 2009:
BF: What do you think of the Stones?
BD: What do I think of them? They’re pretty much finished, aren’t they?
BF: They had a gigantic tour last year. You call that finished?
BD: Oh yeah, you mean Steel Wheels. I’m not saying they don’t keep going, but they need Bill. Without him they’re a funk band. They’ll be the real Rolling Stones when they get Bill back.
Also around that time frame Dylan introduced "Neighbours" in his radio show as "here is Mick with Keith, Ronnie, Charlie and the bass player"...
Dylan seemingly do not much follow Stones tours, but has a distinctive ear for their bass-playing.
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Here is Bob Dylan's view of the situation. Taken from an interview by Bill Flanagan (BF) from April 13, 2009:
BF: What do you think of the Stones?
BD: What do I think of them? They’re pretty much finished, aren’t they?
BF: They had a gigantic tour last year. You call that finished?
BD: Oh yeah, you mean Steel Wheels. I’m not saying they don’t keep going, but they need Bill. Without him they’re a funk band. They’ll be the real Rolling Stones when they get Bill back.
Also around that time frame Dylan introduced "Neighbours" in his radio show as "here is Mick with Keith, Ronnie, Charlie and the bass player"...
Dylan seemingly do not much follow Stones tours, but has a distinctive ear for their bass-playing.
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I think he said "the bass player" to highlight Bill's importance for the band
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Here is Bob Dylan's view of the situation. Taken from an interview by Bill Flanagan (BF) from April 13, 2009:
BF: What do you think of the Stones?
BD: What do I think of them? They’re pretty much finished, aren’t they?
BF: They had a gigantic tour last year. You call that finished?
BD: Oh yeah, you mean Steel Wheels. I’m not saying they don’t keep going, but they need Bill. Without him they’re a funk band. They’ll be the real Rolling Stones when they get Bill back.
Also around that time frame Dylan introduced "Neighbours" in his radio show as "here is Mick with Keith, Ronnie, Charlie and the bass player"...
Dylan seemingly do not much follow Stones tours, but has a distinctive ear for their bass-playing.
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I think he said "the bass player" to highlight Bill's importance for the band
Dylan knows exactly what he's saying. He's one of the few people in the world who has the gravitas to poke fun at the Rolling Stones. Various Beatles have done it over the years. Few others would have that authority.
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In almost the same breath in the interview quoted above he also said :
The Rolling Stones are truly the greatest rock and roll band in the world and always will be. The last too. Everything that came after them, metal, rap, punk, new wave, pop-rock, you name it …. you can trace it all back to the Rolling Stones. They were the first and the last and no one’s ever done it better.'
So while he isn't anally retentive enough to know the names of various tours off the top his head - he still knows what he's talking about!