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Kingbeebuzz
Well this is all going rather well, isn’t it ?
I’ve learnt some new information about Lennon’s family, if not about Brian.
Thank you all..........new facts (yes facts) always welcome.
British newspaper archives can be accessed online, as can most births, Deaths and marriages in the UK.
I wonder if Lennon ever visited the tram museum place that Brian volunteered at ? Guess we will never know.....but that picture posted here some years ago of Brian digging away was a great find......when life was all before him.
Just listening to Little Red Rooster......sublime !!!
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georgie48
Harriet indeed married Ali Hafez and the had a daughter Leila in 1937. After returning from Egypt she indeed met Norman Birch and they had a son named David, born in 1948. But in between those two "events" there is a period of almost 10 years (!) including the period of Second World War. And lots of things can happen in 10 years.
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georgie48
Harriet indeed married Ali Hafez and the had a daughter Leila in 1937. After returning from Egypt she indeed met Norman Birch and they had a son named David, born in 1948. But in between those two "events" there is a period of almost 10 years (!) including the period of Second World War. And lots of things can happen in 10 years.
Harriet Stanley married the Egyptian engineering student Ali Hafez end of 1936 in Liverpool. They moved to Cairo where Liela Hafiz (1937-2012) was born. Ali died in an accident. The widowed Harriet had then due to WWII passport/visa problems but she and Liela returned in 1941 from Cairo to Liverpool by a troop ship. Harriet married in 1942 Norman Birch (*29-Sep-1914). Their son David was born in 1948. - [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [iorr.org] .
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paulspendel
Like I said again: all genealogy info in the UK is available through Ancestry, Genesreunited and FreeBDM. Georgie48 dismissed those sources as rubbish. I developed a simple algorithm that checked all the databases automatically. There is NO connection whatsoever...wait a minute...John and Brian were related through Adam and Eve! Georgie48 will dismiss this post without any doubt, and that judgement is up to you.
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georgie48
Not yet, Irix.
This NN Harvey appears to be Liela's husband?
Were there any exact dates (day/month) mentioned on the events, like when Hafez died and when the troop ship left from Egypt to England and when it arrived in Lennon's Letters? I doubt it. Maybe it's possible to trace those dates back (war documents?). I'll give it a shot anyway.
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2000 LYFH
Record from: England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1984-2005
Name: Harriat Stanley
Registration Date: Oct 1936
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Ali B Hafez
Volume Number: 8b
Page number: 465
Household Members
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2000 LYFH
Record of Harriet Birch in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Harriet Birch
Age: 57
Record Type: Cremation
Cremation Date: 21 Dec 1973
Burial Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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georgie48
Apparently Harriet was pregnant in 1941 ... It can't be from Hafez and not from Birch either.
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georgie48
Apparently Harriet was pregnant in 1941 ... It can't be from Hafez and not from Birch either.
Maybe it can be found in a register if the child was given up for adoption (similar to John's half-sister Victoria/Ingrid from a Welsh soldier)?
It could also be an illegitimate child (later than 1941?) since Norman Birch stayed in the Royal Army through the Korean War until the Suez crisis in 1956 - [www.Amazon.co.uk] .
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georgie48
A child was apparently born still in 1941 ...
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A child was apparently born still in 1941 ...
... and must have been alive if Lennon knew about Jones.
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georgie48
Apparently Harriet was pregnant in 1941 ... It can't be from Hafez and not from Birch either.
Maybe it can be found in a register if the child was given up for adoption (similar to John's half-sister Victoria/Ingrid from a Welsh soldier)?
It could also be an illegitimate child (later than 1941?) since Norman Birch stayed in the Royal Army through the Korean War until the Suez crisis in 1956 - [www.Amazon.co.uk] .
A child was apparently born still in 1941 ...
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georgie48
Apparently Harriet was pregnant in 1941 ... It can't be from Hafez and not from Birch either.
Maybe it can be found in a register if the child was given up for adoption (similar to John's half-sister Victoria/Ingrid from a Welsh soldier)?
It could also be an illegitimate child (later than 1941?) since Norman Birch stayed in the Royal Army through the Korean War until the Suez crisis in 1956 - [www.Amazon.co.uk] .
A child was apparently born still in 1941 ...
Fully recognising that English is not the first language of everyone here....
The final sentence above, as written, makes no real sense.
One possible meaning is that the child was "stillborn" - and the meaning of that is that the child was, sadly, born dead. (Happened with a work colleague of mine and it's beyond distressing).
So, not a spelling/meaning flame, but checking on the meaning of what has been written. :-)