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He didn't and he was very much.
More a case of your ears being closed to these points of view because you like Taylors playing so much.
You, like a lot of others make the mistake of viewing Jones & Richards as guitar thing. Quite a lot of onstage time features the stones as a one guitar band.
They both were imperfect ace live bands imo, but what one lacked the other had and vice versa.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 22:49 by His Majesty.
I always find it odd to read these types of posts on a Stones forum. Pepper and Abbey Road are great sixties albums, both among the best albums ever made, but they are great in the way that Pet Sounds, Tapestry or Bridge Over Troubled Waters are great - "pop masterpieces" with some stunning ballads and very little rock and roll on either album (the short version of "Sgt. Pepper" rocks pretty convincingly, but that's like, 90 seconds long). Magical Mystery Tour is even more extreme; whether you like it or not is a matter of taste (personally, I never get the urge to listen to it), but it doesn't rock at ALL.
The Stones could have followed that path - Between the Buttons and Satanic Majesties had them on that road. Fortunately for everyone, someone in the band realized that they weren't very good at "ambitious pop", and they decided to just do what they did better than anyone else - blues based guitar rock. I don't know whether Let It Bleed or Beggars Banquet are better than Abbey Road, but 40+ years down the road, the Stones' music from the period still sounds fresh. I think the reason is that everything the Stones did after Jumping Jack Flash was basic, blues-based rock, and the blues are timeless - hell, "Love in Vain" and "Prodigal Son" were already 30-40 years old when the Stones did them straight up.
Abbey Road is definitely prettier, and it has a classic ballad, "Something", that people will be singing on reality TV shows for decades to come. But, unless you don't like rock and roll, there's nothing on that album that comes remotely close to "Gimme Shelter."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 22:49 by drbryant.
As live band - Stones wins big times.
Had the Beatles continued the Hamburg 1958 style, I am not sure they would have reached the same popularity as they did later on. But (as Beatles did), if you choose the polished boy-band image, then you are a sure winner amongst the population.
We can discuss this endlessly of course and we've already done that, but during the Taylor-era we can hear the Stones during the 69 tour and during the 73 tour. Different sounds but in my opinion both ace versions of the band. Very creative.
Anyway, we agree on the Beatles and the Stones being ace bands during the same period (63-69), and me, I think the Stones were also ace during 69-73 and sensational on stage.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't disagree with that.
Mr serve the song Harrison was very much an arrangement kinda player, way more subtle and considered than Taylor.
Taylor in 1969 - 1973 is more in the vain of the hot shot blues lead guitarist. He was of course more than just that, but I think it's daft to deny that wasn't a big part of his thang.
This has nowt to do with the song and everything to do with him showing off his geetar skills.
But, so much of the stones music doesn't rock. That's a good thing.
ACDC and Motorhead rock and that's about all they do. Boring.
I don't know about Motorhead, but I don't find AC/DC boring. The last thing I would want is an AC/DC acoustic ballad, or even worse, an AC/DC "pop symphony". I feel the same way about Joan Jett, the Ramones, John Fogerty and many others.
@#$%& all that's what.
From my perspective, a love for rock and roll that is basic and unadorned, unpretentious. An unwillingness to change that for commercial reasons. No compromise. I hear it in Fogerty, as I hear it in Malcolm Young and Joan Jett. And Keith Richards.
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Lol.
Of course not. My only point is that Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road don't have much rock and roll, and I like rock and roll so I prefer Let it Bleed. Hey, I love the Beatles - in fact, I'll see Paul McCartney perform twice this month in Tokyo. But if forced to choose which to take to a desert island, I would take my Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let it Rock 45 over all my copies of Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road.
[Edit] just checked - actually have tickets for THREE McCartney shows this month, as well as Atoms for Peace and the Vienna Philharmonic. Wonder how I'll get any work done.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 00:05 by drbryant.
Come Together does. I Want You (She's so Heavy) does. And for poignantly beautiful rock, The End.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 00:15 by His Majesty.
I can understand how some people might feel that "Come Together" comes close to "Gimme Shelter". That's a great track.
Go to other forum and discuss pop / boyband music
Pop rocks! ><
Well you go pretty far now
So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
For both I guess.
To be serious: the question is what really IS serving the song. Until now it's a subjective thing: you have your ideas about it and I have mine. We still don't agree on the concept what serving the song really is.
The slightest critisism of Beatles and people are crying big time - just wonder if Goofy Macca is the person!!!
But fact is - Beatles were a boyband... had they continued the Hamburg 1958 style, they had not sold the records they did after becoming a polished pop band.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
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His Majesty
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Date: November 8, 2013 22:40
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kleermaker
No, Taylor always served the song. But do your ears serve you, that's the question.
He didn't and he was very much.
More a case of your ears being closed to these points of view because you like Taylors playing so much.
You, like a lot of others make the mistake of viewing Jones & Richards as guitar thing. Quite a lot of onstage time features the stones as a one guitar band.
They both were imperfect ace live bands imo, but what one lacked the other had and vice versa.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 22:49 by His Majesty.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
drbryant
()
Date: November 8, 2013 22:47
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kleermaker
Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.
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walkingthedogQuote
kleermaker
Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.
Abbey Road is one of my least favourite Beatles albums. Way too much McCartney, the Harrison songs are too sweet for my taste and Lennon's material is not his best. The only decent song is I Want You (She's So Heavy). Not even close to BB or LIB.
I'd rather hear Emotional Rescue any day!
You're kidding!
What about Pepper and Mystery Tour? Both initiated (and dominated) by McCartney too. Both great.
I always find it odd to read these types of posts on a Stones forum. Pepper and Abbey Road are great sixties albums, both among the best albums ever made, but they are great in the way that Pet Sounds, Tapestry or Bridge Over Troubled Waters are great - "pop masterpieces" with some stunning ballads and very little rock and roll on either album (the short version of "Sgt. Pepper" rocks pretty convincingly, but that's like, 90 seconds long). Magical Mystery Tour is even more extreme; whether you like it or not is a matter of taste (personally, I never get the urge to listen to it), but it doesn't rock at ALL.
The Stones could have followed that path - Between the Buttons and Satanic Majesties had them on that road. Fortunately for everyone, someone in the band realized that they weren't very good at "ambitious pop", and they decided to just do what they did better than anyone else - blues based guitar rock. I don't know whether Let It Bleed or Beggars Banquet are better than Abbey Road, but 40+ years down the road, the Stones' music from the period still sounds fresh. I think the reason is that everything the Stones did after Jumping Jack Flash was basic, blues-based rock, and the blues are timeless - hell, "Love in Vain" and "Prodigal Son" were already 30-40 years old when the Stones did them straight up.
Abbey Road is definitely prettier, and it has a classic ballad, "Something", that people will be singing on reality TV shows for decades to come. But, unless you don't like rock and roll, there's nothing on that album that comes remotely close to "Gimme Shelter."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 22:49 by drbryant.
Re: Beatles v Stones
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: November 8, 2013 22:48
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kleermakerQuote
DandelionPowderman
Is this thread still going, I thought the Stones won...
Wrong. The Beatles did.
As live band - Stones wins big times.
Had the Beatles continued the Hamburg 1958 style, I am not sure they would have reached the same popularity as they did later on. But (as Beatles did), if you choose the polished boy-band image, then you are a sure winner amongst the population.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: November 8, 2013 22:57
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: November 8, 2013 23:00
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His MajestyQuote
kleermaker
No, Taylor always served the song. But do your ears serve you, that's the question.
He didn't and he was very much.
More a case of your ears being closed to these points of view because you like Taylors playing so much.
You, like a lot of others make the mistake of viewing Jones & Richards as guitar thing. Quite a lot of onstage time features the stones as a one guitar band.
They both were imperfect ace live bands imo, but what one lacked the other had and vice versa.
We can discuss this endlessly of course and we've already done that, but during the Taylor-era we can hear the Stones during the 69 tour and during the 73 tour. Different sounds but in my opinion both ace versions of the band. Very creative.
Anyway, we agree on the Beatles and the Stones being ace bands during the same period (63-69), and me, I think the Stones were also ace during 69-73 and sensational on stage.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
drbryant
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Date: November 8, 2013 23:03
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His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 8, 2013 23:28
Quote
kleermaker
during the Taylor-era we can hear the Stones during the 69 tour and during the 73 tour. Different sounds but in my opinion both ace versions of the band. Very creative.
I don't disagree with that.
Mr serve the song Harrison was very much an arrangement kinda player, way more subtle and considered than Taylor.
Taylor in 1969 - 1973 is more in the vain of the hot shot blues lead guitarist. He was of course more than just that, but I think it's daft to deny that wasn't a big part of his thang.
This has nowt to do with the song and everything to do with him showing off his geetar skills.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: November 8, 2013 23:30
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drbryantQuote
His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
But, so much of the stones music doesn't rock. That's a good thing.
ACDC and Motorhead rock and that's about all they do. Boring.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
drbryant
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Date: November 8, 2013 23:36
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His MajestyQuote
drbryantQuote
His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
But, so much of the stones music doesn't rock. That's a good thing.
ACDC and Motorhead rock and that's about all they do. Boring.
I don't know about Motorhead, but I don't find AC/DC boring. The last thing I would want is an AC/DC acoustic ballad, or even worse, an AC/DC "pop symphony". I feel the same way about Joan Jett, the Ramones, John Fogerty and many others.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
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NICOS
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Date: November 8, 2013 23:38
John Fogerty? whats he got to do wiih AC/DC, Ramones and Joan Jett
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Re: Beatles v Stones
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: November 8, 2013 23:40
It doesn't have to be all or nothing eh.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: November 8, 2013 23:45
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drbryantQuote
His MajestyQuote
drbryantQuote
His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
But, so much of the stones music doesn't rock. That's a good thing.
ACDC and Motorhead rock and that's about all they do. Boring.
Well, you got their best tune: Ride On. A stripped-down blues, mostly mellow
I don't know about Motorhead, but I don't find AC/DC boring. The last thing I would want is an AC/DC acoustic ballad, or even worse, an AC/DC "pop symphony". I feel the same way about Joan Jett, the Ramones, John Fogerty and many others.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 8, 2013 23:46
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NICOS
John Fogerty? whats he got to do wiih AC/DC, Ramones and Joan Jett
@#$%& all that's what.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
drbryant
()
Date: November 8, 2013 23:55
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NICOS
John Fogerty? whats he got to do wiih AC/DC, Ramones and Joan Jett
From my perspective, a love for rock and roll that is basic and unadorned, unpretentious. An unwillingness to change that for commercial reasons. No compromise. I hear it in Fogerty, as I hear it in Malcolm Young and Joan Jett. And Keith Richards.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 23:56 by drbryant.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 9, 2013 00:02
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drbryant
An unwillingness to change that for commercial reasons. No compromise.... Keith Richards.
Lol.
Re: Beatles v Stones
Posted by:
drbryant
()
Date: November 9, 2013 00:03
Quote
His Majesty
It doesn't have to be all or nothing eh.
Of course not. My only point is that Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road don't have much rock and roll, and I like rock and roll so I prefer Let it Bleed. Hey, I love the Beatles - in fact, I'll see Paul McCartney perform twice this month in Tokyo. But if forced to choose which to take to a desert island, I would take my Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let it Rock 45 over all my copies of Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road.
[Edit] just checked - actually have tickets for THREE McCartney shows this month, as well as Atoms for Peace and the Vienna Philharmonic. Wonder how I'll get any work done.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 00:05 by drbryant.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: November 9, 2013 00:11
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kleermaker
Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.Quote
kleermakerQuote
walkingthedogQuote
kleermaker
Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.
Abbey Road is one of my least favourite Beatles albums. Way too much McCartney, the Harrison songs are too sweet for my taste and Lennon's material is not his best. The only decent song is I Want You (She's So Heavy). Not even close to BB or LIB.
I'd rather hear Emotional Rescue any day!
You're kidding!
What about Pepper and Mystery Tour? Both initiated (and dominated) by McCartney too. Both great.
I always find it odd to read these types of posts on a Stones forum. Pepper and Abbey Road are great sixties albums, both among the best albums ever made, but they are great in the way that Pet Sounds, Tapestry or Bridge Over Troubled Waters are great - "pop masterpieces" with some stunning ballads and very little rock and roll on either album (the short version of "Sgt. Pepper" rocks pretty convincingly, but that's like, 90 seconds long). Magical Mystery Tour is even more extreme; whether you like it or not is a matter of taste (personally, I never get the urge to listen to it), but it doesn't rock at ALL.
The Stones could have followed that path - Between the Buttons and Satanic Majesties had them on that road. Fortunately for everyone, someone in the band realized that they weren't very good at "ambitious pop", and they decided to just do what they did better than anyone else - blues based guitar rock. I don't know whether Let It Bleed or Beggars Banquet are better than Abbey Road, but 40+ years down the road, the Stones' music from the period still sounds fresh. I think the reason is that everything the Stones did after Jumping Jack Flash was basic, blues-based rock, and the blues are timeless - hell, "Love in Vain" and "Prodigal Son" were already 30-40 years old when the Stones did them straight up.
Abbey Road is definitely prettier, and it has a classic ballad, "Something", that people will be singing on reality TV shows for decades to come. But, unless you don't like rock and roll, there's nothing on that album that comes remotely close to "Gimme Shelter."
Come Together does. I Want You (She's so Heavy) does. And for poignantly beautiful rock, The End.
Re: Beatles v Stones
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 9, 2013 00:14
Quote
drbryant
Of course not. My only point is that Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road don't have much rock and roll, and I like rock and roll so I prefer Let it Bleed. Hey, I love the Beatles - in fact, I'll see Paul McCartney perform twice this month in Tokyo. But if forced to choose which to take to a desert island, I would take my Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let it Rock 45 over all my copies of Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road.
[Edit] just checked - actually have tickets for THREE McCartney shows this month, as well as Atoms for Peace and the Vienna Philharmonic. Wonder how I'll get any work done.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 00:15 by His Majesty.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
drbryant
()
Date: November 9, 2013 00:20
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whitem8Quote
drbryant
Abbey Road is definitely prettier, and it has a classic ballad, "Something", that people will be singing on reality TV shows for decades to come. But, unless you don't like rock and roll, there's nothing on that album that comes remotely close to "Gimme Shelter."
Come Together does. I Want You (She's so Heavy) does. And for poignantly beautiful rock, The End.
I can understand how some people might feel that "Come Together" comes close to "Gimme Shelter". That's a great track.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: November 9, 2013 00:31
So you see some things can come close:-)
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: November 9, 2013 00:44
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drbryantQuote
His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
Go to other forum and discuss pop / boyband musicRe: Beatles v Stones
Posted by:
landis
()
Date: November 9, 2013 00:55
I think both bands are the greatest at what they do. There are a lot myths about both bands if you know rock music are easily dismissed. The Rolling Stones had some great pop songs that are not really rock influenced like "Tears Go By" or "Ruby Tuesday". It's just great pop songs and on par with The Beatles IMO.
The Beatles on the hand could out-rock the Rolling Stones also like "Helter Skelter" and check out "Happiness is a Warm Gun" “Mother Superior” bridge while brief, is layered in the sludge-like blues guitar scuzz later popularized by Black Sabbath.
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The Beatles on the hand could out-rock the Rolling Stones also like "Helter Skelter" and check out "Happiness is a Warm Gun" “Mother Superior” bridge while brief, is layered in the sludge-like blues guitar scuzz later popularized by Black Sabbath.
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Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: November 9, 2013 01:08
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mtaylor
Pop rocks! >
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Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: November 9, 2013 01:24
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His MajestyQuote
kleermaker
during the Taylor-era we can hear the Stones during the 69 tour and during the 73 tour. Different sounds but in my opinion both ace versions of the band. Very creative.
I don't disagree with that.
Well you go pretty far now
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: November 9, 2013 01:52
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mtaylorQuote
drbryantQuote
His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 9, 2013 19:15
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whitem8
So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: November 9, 2013 20:48
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His MajestyQuote
whitem8
So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
For both I guess.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 9, 2013 20:51
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His MajestyQuote
kleermaker
No, Taylor always served the song. But do your ears serve you, that's the question.
He didn't and he was very much.
More a case of your ears being closed to these points of view because you like Taylors playing so much.
To be serious: the question is what really IS serving the song. Until now it's a subjective thing: you have your ideas about it and I have mine. We still don't agree on the concept what serving the song really is.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: November 9, 2013 21:15
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kleermakerQuote
His MajestyQuote
whitem8
So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
For both I guess.
The slightest critisism of Beatles and people are crying big time - just wonder if Goofy Macca is the person!!!
But fact is - Beatles were a boyband... had they continued the Hamburg 1958 style, they had not sold the records they did after becoming a polished pop band.
Re: beatles white album or stones exile on main st.
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: November 9, 2013 21:36
Don't flatter yourself, no one is crying about your inane criticism. Your posts are not FACT, but opinion that belay the fact that you come across as an insecure middle schooler who needs to learn a bit more about life.Quote
mtaylorQuote
kleermakerQuote
His MajestyQuote
whitem8
So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
For both I guess.
The slightest critisism of Beatles and people are crying big time - just wonder if Goofy Macca is the person!!!
But fact is - Beatles were a boyband... had they continued the Hamburg 1958 style, they had not sold the records they did after becoming a polished pop band.
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