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kleermaker
No, Taylor always served the song. But do your ears serve you, that's the question. Maybe you're a bit too biased. Harrison and Taylor have something in common I discovered. Never been a Beatles-expert, so the similarity struck me when I listened more carefully to Abbey Road last night. When compared to the Jones/Richards guitar couple one could be misled by thinking that Taylor was a hotshot lead guitarist in the Stones. He wasn't.
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Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.
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Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.
Abbey Road is one of my least favourite Beatles albums. Way too much McCartney, the Harrison songs are too sweet for my taste and Lennon's material is not his best. The only decent song is I Want You (She's So Heavy). Not even close to BB or LIB.
I'd rather hear Emotional Rescue any day!
You're kidding!
What about Pepper and Mystery Tour? Both initiated (and dominated) by McCartney too. Both great.
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Is this thread still going, I thought the Stones won...
Wrong. The Beatles did.
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kleermaker
No, Taylor always served the song. But do your ears serve you, that's the question. Maybe you're a bit too biased. Harrison and Taylor have something in common I discovered. Never been a Beatles-expert, so the similarity struck me when I listened more carefully to Abbey Road last night. When compared to the Jones/Richards guitar couple one could be misled by thinking that Taylor was a hotshot lead guitarist in the Stones. He wasn't.
He didn't and he was very much.
More a case of your ears being closed to these points of view because you like Taylors playing so much.
You, like a lot of others make the mistake of viewing Jones & Richards as guitar thing. Quite a lot of onstage time features the stones as a one guitar band.
They both were imperfect ace live bands imo, but what one lacked the other had and vice versa.
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His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
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during the Taylor-era we can hear the Stones during the 69 tour and during the 73 tour. Different sounds but in my opinion both ace versions of the band. Very creative.
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I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
But, so much of the stones music doesn't rock. That's a good thing.
ACDC and Motorhead rock and that's about all they do. Boring.
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I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
But, so much of the stones music doesn't rock. That's a good thing.
ACDC and Motorhead rock and that's about all they do. Boring.
Well, you got their best tune: Ride On. A stripped-down blues, mostly mellow
I don't know about Motorhead, but I don't find AC/DC boring. The last thing I would want is an AC/DC acoustic ballad, or even worse, an AC/DC "pop symphony". I feel the same way about Joan Jett, the Ramones, John Fogerty and many others.
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John Fogerty? whats he got to do wiih AC/DC, Ramones and Joan Jett
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John Fogerty? whats he got to do wiih AC/DC, Ramones and Joan Jett
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drbryant
An unwillingness to change that for commercial reasons. No compromise.... Keith Richards.
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His Majesty
It doesn't have to be all or nothing eh.
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kleermaker
Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.Quote
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Abbey Road is indeed fantastic. Best Beatles album. Better than Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. At least on par with Sticky Fingers.
Abbey Road is one of my least favourite Beatles albums. Way too much McCartney, the Harrison songs are too sweet for my taste and Lennon's material is not his best. The only decent song is I Want You (She's So Heavy). Not even close to BB or LIB.
I'd rather hear Emotional Rescue any day!
You're kidding!
What about Pepper and Mystery Tour? Both initiated (and dominated) by McCartney too. Both great.
I always find it odd to read these types of posts on a Stones forum. Pepper and Abbey Road are great sixties albums, both among the best albums ever made, but they are great in the way that Pet Sounds, Tapestry or Bridge Over Troubled Waters are great - "pop masterpieces" with some stunning ballads and very little rock and roll on either album (the short version of "Sgt. Pepper" rocks pretty convincingly, but that's like, 90 seconds long). Magical Mystery Tour is even more extreme; whether you like it or not is a matter of taste (personally, I never get the urge to listen to it), but it doesn't rock at ALL.
The Stones could have followed that path - Between the Buttons and Satanic Majesties had them on that road. Fortunately for everyone, someone in the band realized that they weren't very good at "ambitious pop", and they decided to just do what they did better than anyone else - blues based guitar rock. I don't know whether Let It Bleed or Beggars Banquet are better than Abbey Road, but 40+ years down the road, the Stones' music from the period still sounds fresh. I think the reason is that everything the Stones did after Jumping Jack Flash was basic, blues-based rock, and the blues are timeless - hell, "Love in Vain" and "Prodigal Son" were already 30-40 years old when the Stones did them straight up.
Abbey Road is definitely prettier, and it has a classic ballad, "Something", that people will be singing on reality TV shows for decades to come. But, unless you don't like rock and roll, there's nothing on that album that comes remotely close to "Gimme Shelter."
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drbryant
Of course not. My only point is that Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road don't have much rock and roll, and I like rock and roll so I prefer Let it Bleed. Hey, I love the Beatles - in fact, I'll see Paul McCartney perform twice this month in Tokyo. But if forced to choose which to take to a desert island, I would take my Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let it Rock 45 over all my copies of Pepper, MMT and Abbey Road.
[Edit] just checked - actually have tickets for THREE McCartney shows this month, as well as Atoms for Peace and the Vienna Philharmonic. Wonder how I'll get any work done.
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Abbey Road is definitely prettier, and it has a classic ballad, "Something", that people will be singing on reality TV shows for decades to come. But, unless you don't like rock and roll, there's nothing on that album that comes remotely close to "Gimme Shelter."
Come Together does. I Want You (She's so Heavy) does. And for poignantly beautiful rock, The End.
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His Majesty
I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Go to other forum and discuss pop / boyband music
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kleermaker
during the Taylor-era we can hear the Stones during the 69 tour and during the 73 tour. Different sounds but in my opinion both ace versions of the band. Very creative.
I don't disagree with that.
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I hate the mind set of some that things have to rock or be blues in order for them to be deemed great.
That's not my mindset. I think Yo-Yo Ma's Bach concertos are great, and I think Pet Sounds is great and I think Abbey Road is great. But they don't rock, and I (and most people on Stones forums) prefer music that rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
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whitem8
So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
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So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
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kleermaker
No, Taylor always served the song. But do your ears serve you, that's the question. Maybe you're a bit too biased. Harrison and Taylor have something in common I discovered. Never been a Beatles-expert, so the similarity struck me when I listened more carefully to Abbey Road last night. When compared to the Jones/Richards guitar couple one could be misled by thinking that Taylor was a hotshot lead guitarist in the Stones. He wasn't.
He didn't and he was very much.
More a case of your ears being closed to these points of view because you like Taylors playing so much.
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So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
For both I guess.
Don't flatter yourself, no one is crying about your inane criticism. Your posts are not FACT, but opinion that belay the fact that you come across as an insecure middle schooler who needs to learn a bit more about life.Quote
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So cranky again, didn't get enough sleep before school? Didn't do your homework? Teacher scolded you?
Is that for me or mtaylor?
For both I guess.
The slightest critisism of Beatles and people are crying big time - just wonder if Goofy Macca is the person!!!
But fact is - Beatles were a boyband... had they continued the Hamburg 1958 style, they had not sold the records they did after becoming a polished pop band.