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How many rock musicians you can think of - where questions like these will fill the thread and would get seriously asked.
Why is jazz more timeless? - well, how many musicians would bring that question up ? Not bad for old John
LOL. So giving money to a guy who probably killed his girlfriend makes on a good person? I could think of a lot better causes if you are a good person.
I can think of better causes too than Sid, but helping someone is never a bad thing...
The new documentary makes it rather clear that Sid was innocent..
I like Johnny too !!
You can find documentarys that claim to prove anything. How many are there out there that Brian Jones was murdered.
I think if the evidence showed that Sid was innocent the police would catch onto it.
Because Spector was guilty
Sure...lot of documentaries, but before you comment on them, - you should watch them.
The evidence shows that Sid was innocent and no, - police don't always react, Sometimes cops don't even give a damn - like in the famous murder trial of West Memphis Three case, where innocent people ended up in jail for years and the child murderer is still out there walking free. And cops still wont do anything about it.
This is real world and not pink-rose fantasy. Justice don't always happen and lot of times good guys don't win. And war criminals like Henry Kissinger are still making money every day, when he should be in jail or fried in a electric chair. Sorry, - that's just the way it is.
Had there been a trial - Sid would have walked free...
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The name of Spungen's killer was a dealer who eventually became an actor and comedian under the name of "Rockets Redglare", most notable for his role in the 1988 movie Talk Radio, in which he plays the killer of Eric Bogosian's character Barry Champlain.
In the days after the killing, Redglare was boasting to friends in clubs about how he killed Nancy and pinned it on Sid. He was also flashing loads of cash that was stained with blood. Redglare even admitted to the killing in an interview, which I'll post once I look up.
What apparently happened was this: Redglare, who was bringing in a stash of heroin from Brooklyn, appeared at their room at the Chelsea Hotel at about 4 a.m. Spungen answered the door and let him in. Sid was knocked out in a chair across the room. When Spungen left the room to go into the bathroom at one point, Redglare happened to notice a large pile of cash in one of the dresser drawers. This was the royalty payment from Sid's rendition of the My Way single, some $20,000 or so which the couple kept in a dresser drawer in their room and which they were using for an extended drug holiday.
Redglare decided to help himself to the cash, but was caught red-handed when Nancy emerged from the bathroom. Nancy tried to stop him from stealing the money, there was a struggle, and then Redglare pulled a knife and stabbed her. Then he pocketed the money, and in a moment of drug dealer survival savvy took the knife and placed it in Sid's hand so that his prints would be on the knife and Sid would think that he had done it himself. "I left them in that tableaux...." Redglare said in the above-mentioned interview.
Rubbish. Please watch the documentary video posted above. There is lot of talk about the attention seeking Redglare, lack of finger print, the knife, etc.. in the documentary. And you are wrong. And you can see the police files on the documentary and think for yourself. Sid is innocent and so is Redglare.
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Michael Morra (Rockets Redglare) in 1981.
He embellishes the situation considerably, but has admitted to being there on the night that Nancy was killed.
Punk rocker Sid Vicious’s girlfriend Nancy Spungeon was killed in a
snuff video, claims actor Rockets Redglare, whose numerous movie
credits include Oliver Stone’s Talk Radio, Martin Scorses’s After
Hours, Jim Jarmusch’s Stranger Than Paradise and Down by Law--plus a
porno with Sharon Mitchell.
Gotham cultural chronicler Gene Gregorits a/k/a Gene Suicide
interviewed Rockets Redglare in the actor’s East Village pied-a-terre
this week--an experience notable for what he described as
a “brilliantly excessive cringe factor.”
Here’s why: “I know that Sid did not kill Nancy,” stated Redglare, a
habitue of yesteryear’s Chelsea Hotel punk-and-junk scene. “I was there
the night she died.”
“She was killed by a drug dealer who worked at Max's Kansas City.
“Nancy's murder was videotaped --while Sid sits there on the couch,
completely out of it.. practically in a coma. This was the tableau I
had left them in.
“The big problem for Sid was--it took him so long to report the crime.
When he did report it, he had the blood all over him and everything.
“The reason Sid didn't report the murder in the morning right away was
that Nancy was dead, and he knew that he was gonna at least be detained
[by police] , and he was on the methadone program. He wanted to get his
methadone.”
These and other remembrances of Gotham’s downtown demimonde--including
heretofore unknown factoids about the late punker Johnny Thunders--will
appear in Gene Suicide’s book “Dead On Camera.”
[kittyradio.com]
I think I know more than you do and only because I watched the documentary where all the police files and info/evidence is available. People who were at the crime scene that night gave interviews for this documentary. And they all say that Redglare is innocent too.
I would like to say this again - watch the documentary video.
There is name for the killer and it's not Redglare and it's not Sid either... - Redglare is not and has never been the prime suspect.
Redglare didnt even have motive,
Redglare insisted that Sid was innocent - why would a real killer try to clear Sid's name ?
Sid was the prime suspect - If you try to get away with murder, why would you help the cops prime suspect ? Why would the real killer go and tell the cops that they got the wrong guy ? Come on - think. Redglare is not the only dealer Sid had
Redglare is not the only person who admitted being at the Chelsea Hotel that night. There are lot of others who were at the crime scene that sad night too and they are in this documentary and telling their story - So please - watch the film
The only prime suspect for years was Sid - least in public - and he is innocent. There is a "new" suspect and he has a name. Like I said: Watch the documentary.
Here:
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For the same reason I still call Mark Wahlberg "Marky Mark". "Johnny Rotten" was the name he used to introduce himself to the world.
Why does it matter that "it's not 1977 any more". Do names expire like dairy products?
Never cared for that green-toothed fool. He looked like an exasperating brat on Judge Judy. And PIL sucked/sucks.
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Re: Johnny Rotten says some nice things about Mick
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seitan
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Date: August 17, 2013 01:46
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Sure, I get your point, stonehearted. However I think there is a distinction between jazz and pop and rock. Jazz is more timeless than pop and rock in a way.
Most jazz musicians gets better with age - even crooners like Bennet (although his voice is awfully thin these days).
How many rock musicians you can think of - where questions like these will fill the thread and would get seriously asked.
Why is jazz more timeless? - well, how many musicians would bring that question up ? Not bad for old John
JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
seitan
()
Date: November 9, 2013 16:51
John Lydon may have said The Rolling Stones looked “silly” performing at Glastonbury, but the former Sex Pistol and PiL frontman has only praise for Mick Jagger.
In an interview with the Daily Record, Lydon has revealed that Jagger ‘secretly’ paid Sid Vicious’ legal fees, after the Pistol’s bass player had been charged with the murder of girlfriend Nancy Spungen. As Lydon told journalist John Dingwall of the Record:
“Nancy Spungen was a hideous, awful person who killed herself because of the lifestyle and led to the destruction and subsequent death of Sid and the whole fiasco. I tried to help Sid through all of that and feel a certain responsibility because I brought him into the Pistols thinking he could handle the pressure. He couldn’t. The reason people take heroin is because they can’t handle pressure. Poor old Sid.
“Her death is all entangled in mystery. It’s no real mystery, though. If you are going to get yourself involved in drugs and narcotics in that way accidents are going to happen. Sid was a lost case. He was wrapped firmly in Malcolm’s shenanigans. It became ludicrous trying to talk to him through the drug haze because all you would hear was, ‘I’m the real star around here’. Great. Carry on. We all know how that’s going to end. Unfortunately, that is where it ended. I miss him very much. He was a great friend but when you are messing with heroin you’re not a human being. You change and you lose respect for yourself and everybody else.
“The only good news is that I heard Mick Jagger got in there and brought lawyers into it on Sid’s behalf because I don’t think Malcolm lifted a finger. He just didn’t know what to do. For that, I have a good liking of Mick Jagger. There was activity behind the scenes from Mick Jagger so I applaud him. He never used it to advance himself publicity-wise.”
Read the whole interview here:
//www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/music-news/punk-rock-legend-john-lydon-sex-2691685
In an interview with the Daily Record, Lydon has revealed that Jagger ‘secretly’ paid Sid Vicious’ legal fees, after the Pistol’s bass player had been charged with the murder of girlfriend Nancy Spungen. As Lydon told journalist John Dingwall of the Record:
“Nancy Spungen was a hideous, awful person who killed herself because of the lifestyle and led to the destruction and subsequent death of Sid and the whole fiasco. I tried to help Sid through all of that and feel a certain responsibility because I brought him into the Pistols thinking he could handle the pressure. He couldn’t. The reason people take heroin is because they can’t handle pressure. Poor old Sid.
“Her death is all entangled in mystery. It’s no real mystery, though. If you are going to get yourself involved in drugs and narcotics in that way accidents are going to happen. Sid was a lost case. He was wrapped firmly in Malcolm’s shenanigans. It became ludicrous trying to talk to him through the drug haze because all you would hear was, ‘I’m the real star around here’. Great. Carry on. We all know how that’s going to end. Unfortunately, that is where it ended. I miss him very much. He was a great friend but when you are messing with heroin you’re not a human being. You change and you lose respect for yourself and everybody else.
“The only good news is that I heard Mick Jagger got in there and brought lawyers into it on Sid’s behalf because I don’t think Malcolm lifted a finger. He just didn’t know what to do. For that, I have a good liking of Mick Jagger. There was activity behind the scenes from Mick Jagger so I applaud him. He never used it to advance himself publicity-wise.”
Read the whole interview here:
//www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/music-news/punk-rock-legend-john-lydon-sex-2691685
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
latebloomer
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Date: November 9, 2013 16:59
That is really nice to read seitan, thanks. I think Mick is a very good person at heart, as are all the Rolling Stones. Mick must have had some knowledge of how awful things had become for Sid Vicious. Reading Lydon's comments, I was struck again by how fortunate it is that Keith was able to quit heroin and how terrible his addiction must have been for all of them.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
vertigojoe
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Date: November 9, 2013 17:05
Wow.
Im sorry but i find this very hard to believe. Why would Mick step in like this unless there is some family or personal connection we don't know about.
Mick after all is well known for being "Careful" with his money..
Im sorry but i find this very hard to believe. Why would Mick step in like this unless there is some family or personal connection we don't know about.
Mick after all is well known for being "Careful" with his money..
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
runaway
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Date: November 9, 2013 17:09
Thanks Seitan for sharing
I can remember that MJ was concerned cause of Sid at the time in New-York.
I can remember that MJ was concerned cause of Sid at the time in New-York.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
Floorbird
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Date: November 9, 2013 17:15
Nice to hear he keeps things close to his heart, not one to boast. One does not need family or personal connection maybe just empathy to one in need.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
stanlove
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Date: November 9, 2013 18:30
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latebloomer
That is really nice to read seitan, thanks. I think Mick is a very good person at heart, as are all the Rolling Stones. Mick must have had some knowledge of how awful things had become for Sid Vicious. Reading Lydon's comments, I was struck again by how fortunate it is that Keith was able to quit heroin and how terrible his addiction must have been for all of them.
LOL. So giving money to a guy who probably killed his girlfriend makes on a good person? I could think of a lot better causes if you are a good person.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
frankotero
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Date: November 9, 2013 18:32
I always like hearing what Johnny has to say. All in all he's a stand up guy in my opinion. Not rotten at all, ha-ha.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: November 9, 2013 18:39
This isn't news, is it? I'm sure I read this before...
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
seitan
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Date: November 9, 2013 18:41
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stanloveQuote
latebloomer
That is really nice to read seitan, thanks. I think Mick is a very good person at heart, as are all the Rolling Stones. Mick must have had some knowledge of how awful things had become for Sid Vicious. Reading Lydon's comments, I was struck again by how fortunate it is that Keith was able to quit heroin and how terrible his addiction must have been for all of them.
LOL. So giving money to a guy who probably killed his girlfriend makes on a good person? I could think of a lot better causes if you are a good person.
I can think of better causes too than Sid, but helping someone is never a bad thing...
The new documentary makes it rather clear that Sid was innocent..
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
seitan
()
Date: November 9, 2013 18:42
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frankotero
I always like hearing what Johnny has to say. All in all he's a stand up guy in my opinion. Not rotten at all, ha-ha.
I like Johnny too !!
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
Title5Take1
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Date: November 9, 2013 18:47
I'd read Mick paid Sid's legal bills years ago in a Mick cover story in VANITY FAIR magazine (mentioned in passing, just making the point Mick isn't as tight-fisted as has been said).
I posted the below here before (on a Sid Vicious thread), but I'll post it again:
A special Rolling Stones edition of UNCUT MAGAZINE had a bunch of old Rolling Stones interviews, and the following is from a 1979 interview with keith. KEITH: "Sid - yeah. He's been a silly boy. Just because he woke up with a knife in his hands, he thinks he done it. I have a feeling he didn't. It was probably some very sharp New York dealer."
I posted the below here before (on a Sid Vicious thread), but I'll post it again:
A special Rolling Stones edition of UNCUT MAGAZINE had a bunch of old Rolling Stones interviews, and the following is from a 1979 interview with keith. KEITH: "Sid - yeah. He's been a silly boy. Just because he woke up with a knife in his hands, he thinks he done it. I have a feeling he didn't. It was probably some very sharp New York dealer."
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
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Date: November 9, 2013 19:15
Good ole Mick.
I would be willing to bet that he also helps out in many many more situations and does it for the good of it, not the publicity of it, thus most of us will never hear about it, and there is no reason for us to hear about it. Good ole Mick.
Cheers Mick Jagger
I would be willing to bet that he also helps out in many many more situations and does it for the good of it, not the publicity of it, thus most of us will never hear about it, and there is no reason for us to hear about it. Good ole Mick.
Cheers Mick Jagger
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: November 9, 2013 19:25
No matter how much Jagger was the target of the criticism of the punk generation, this little gesture not only shows how big person Jagger is, but he seemingly was fascinated of the whole punk thing and cared a lot of about it. I am sure he saw a lot of common in what, for example, the Sex Pistols were going through, with what he had himself experienced. Damn that Amy Winehouse didn't listen what Sir Mick once tried to say to her.
- Doxa
- Doxa
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
stanlove
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Date: November 9, 2013 19:46
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seitanQuote
stanloveQuote
latebloomer
That is really nice to read seitan, thanks. I think Mick is a very good person at heart, as are all the Rolling Stones. Mick must have had some knowledge of how awful things had become for Sid Vicious. Reading Lydon's comments, I was struck again by how fortunate it is that Keith was able to quit heroin and how terrible his addiction must have been for all of them.
LOL. So giving money to a guy who probably killed his girlfriend makes on a good person? I could think of a lot better causes if you are a good person.
I can think of better causes too than Sid, but helping someone is never a bad thing...
The new documentary makes it rather clear that Sid was innocent..
You can find documentarys that claim to prove anything. How many are there out there that Brian Jones was murdered.
I think if the evidence showed that Sid was innocent the police would catch onto it.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: November 9, 2013 19:48
From my minor interaction with him I came away thinking that Johnny is quite a good bloke.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
tatters
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Date: November 9, 2013 19:54
So why didn't he help this equally deserving fellow?
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
seitan
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Date: November 9, 2013 19:58
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tatters
So why didn't he help this equally deserving fellow?
Because Spector was guilty
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
seitan
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Date: November 9, 2013 20:02
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stanloveQuote
seitanQuote
stanloveQuote
latebloomer
That is really nice to read seitan, thanks. I think Mick is a very good person at heart, as are all the Rolling Stones. Mick must have had some knowledge of how awful things had become for Sid Vicious. Reading Lydon's comments, I was struck again by how fortunate it is that Keith was able to quit heroin and how terrible his addiction must have been for all of them.
LOL. So giving money to a guy who probably killed his girlfriend makes on a good person? I could think of a lot better causes if you are a good person.
I can think of better causes too than Sid, but helping someone is never a bad thing...
The new documentary makes it rather clear that Sid was innocent..
You can find documentarys that claim to prove anything. How many are there out there that Brian Jones was murdered.
I think if the evidence showed that Sid was innocent the police would catch onto it.
Sure...lot of documentaries, but before you comment on them, - you should watch them.
The evidence shows that Sid was innocent and no, - police don't always react, Sometimes cops don't even give a damn - like in the famous murder trial of West Memphis Three case, where innocent people ended up in jail for years and the child murderer is still out there walking free. And cops still wont do anything about it.
This is real world and not pink-rose fantasy. Justice don't always happen and lot of times good guys don't win. And war criminals like Henry Kissinger are still making money every day, when he should be in jail or fried in a electric chair. Sorry, - that's just the way it is.
Had there been a trial - Sid would have walked free...
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Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
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Date: November 9, 2013 20:21
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tatters
So why didn't he help this equally deserving fellow?
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
()
Date: November 9, 2013 21:06
The Stones are very generous, they are tight as far as business affairs but in my day they kept you stoned and fed right from their pockets. Ronnie, Keith or Mick would never leave a bystander out of a pinball game and stay close to watch you play your ball. They're also cool with their instruments if you don't retune them. Wood was always ready to jam...
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
leteyer
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Date: November 9, 2013 21:14
This was known long ago.
Re: Mick and Sid Vicious
Posted by:
bye bye johnny
()
Date: November 9, 2013 21:30
Lydon "revealed" the same in an interview a few months ago. NME published comments from Lydon's interview with Noisey. It also was posted here. [www.iorr.org]
"Over the years, Mick Jagger's actually done some nice things in our direction, particularly with the early Pistols. When Sid was in a lot of trouble, Mick was there secretly behind the scenes offering us lawyers and things, which we were incapable of getting together. So I won't have him knocked too much."
[www.nme.com]
"Over the years, Mick Jagger's actually done some nice things in our direction, particularly with the early Pistols. When Sid was in a lot of trouble, Mick was there secretly behind the scenes offering us lawyers and things, which we were incapable of getting together. So I won't have him knocked too much."
[www.nme.com]
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: November 9, 2013 22:33
Quote
Title5Take1
I'd read Mick paid Sid's legal bills years ago in a Mick cover story in VANITY FAIR magazine (mentioned in passing, just making the point Mick isn't as tight-fisted as has been said).
I posted the below here before (on a Sid Vicious thread), but I'll post it again:
A special Rolling Stones edition of UNCUT MAGAZINE had a bunch of old Rolling Stones interviews, and the following is from a 1979 interview with keith. KEITH: "Sid - yeah. He's been a silly boy. Just because he woke up with a knife in his hands, he thinks he done it. I have a feeling he didn't. It was probably some very sharp New York dealer."
The name of Spungen's killer was a dealer who eventually became an actor and comedian under the name of "Rockets Redglare", most notable for his role in the 1988 movie Talk Radio, in which he plays the killer of Eric Bogosian's character Barry Champlain.
In the days after the killing, Redglare was boasting to friends in clubs about how he killed Nancy and pinned it on Sid. He was also flashing loads of cash that was stained with blood. Redglare even admitted to the killing in an interview, which I'll post once I look up.
What apparently happened was this: Redglare, who was bringing in a stash of heroin from Brooklyn, appeared at their room at the Chelsea Hotel at about 4 a.m. Spungen answered the door and let him in. Sid was knocked out in a chair across the room. When Spungen left the room to go into the bathroom at one point, Redglare happened to notice a large pile of cash in one of the dresser drawers. This was the royalty payment from Sid's rendition of the My Way single, some $20,000 or so which the couple kept in a dresser drawer in their room and which they were using for an extended drug holiday.
Redglare decided to help himself to the cash, but was caught red-handed when Nancy emerged from the bathroom. Nancy tried to stop him from stealing the money, there was a struggle, and then Redglare pulled a knife and stabbed her. Then he pocketed the money, and in a moment of drug dealer survival savvy took the knife and placed it in Sid's hand so that his prints would be on the knife and Sid would think that he had done it himself. "I left them in that tableaux...." Redglare said in the above-mentioned interview.
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
seitan
()
Date: November 9, 2013 23:06
Quote
stoneheartedQuote
Title5Take1
I'd read Mick paid Sid's legal bills years ago in a Mick cover story in VANITY FAIR magazine (mentioned in passing, just making the point Mick isn't as tight-fisted as has been said).
I posted the below here before (on a Sid Vicious thread), but I'll post it again:
A special Rolling Stones edition of UNCUT MAGAZINE had a bunch of old Rolling Stones interviews, and the following is from a 1979 interview with keith. KEITH: "Sid - yeah. He's been a silly boy. Just because he woke up with a knife in his hands, he thinks he done it. I have a feeling he didn't. It was probably some very sharp New York dealer."
The name of Spungen's killer was a dealer who eventually became an actor and comedian under the name of "Rockets Redglare", most notable for his role in the 1988 movie Talk Radio, in which he plays the killer of Eric Bogosian's character Barry Champlain.
In the days after the killing, Redglare was boasting to friends in clubs about how he killed Nancy and pinned it on Sid. He was also flashing loads of cash that was stained with blood. Redglare even admitted to the killing in an interview, which I'll post once I look up.
What apparently happened was this: Redglare, who was bringing in a stash of heroin from Brooklyn, appeared at their room at the Chelsea Hotel at about 4 a.m. Spungen answered the door and let him in. Sid was knocked out in a chair across the room. When Spungen left the room to go into the bathroom at one point, Redglare happened to notice a large pile of cash in one of the dresser drawers. This was the royalty payment from Sid's rendition of the My Way single, some $20,000 or so which the couple kept in a dresser drawer in their room and which they were using for an extended drug holiday.
Redglare decided to help himself to the cash, but was caught red-handed when Nancy emerged from the bathroom. Nancy tried to stop him from stealing the money, there was a struggle, and then Redglare pulled a knife and stabbed her. Then he pocketed the money, and in a moment of drug dealer survival savvy took the knife and placed it in Sid's hand so that his prints would be on the knife and Sid would think that he had done it himself. "I left them in that tableaux...." Redglare said in the above-mentioned interview.
Rubbish. Please watch the documentary video posted above. There is lot of talk about the attention seeking Redglare, lack of finger print, the knife, etc.. in the documentary. And you are wrong. And you can see the police files on the documentary and think for yourself. Sid is innocent and so is Redglare.
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Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: November 9, 2013 23:10
Michael Morra (Rockets Redglare) in 1981.
He embellishes the situation considerably, but has admitted to being there on the night that Nancy was killed.
Punk rocker Sid Vicious’s girlfriend Nancy Spungeon was killed in a
snuff video, claims actor Rockets Redglare, whose numerous movie
credits include Oliver Stone’s Talk Radio, Martin Scorses’s After
Hours, Jim Jarmusch’s Stranger Than Paradise and Down by Law--plus a
porno with Sharon Mitchell.
Gotham cultural chronicler Gene Gregorits a/k/a Gene Suicide
interviewed Rockets Redglare in the actor’s East Village pied-a-terre
this week--an experience notable for what he described as
a “brilliantly excessive cringe factor.”
Here’s why: “I know that Sid did not kill Nancy,” stated Redglare, a
habitue of yesteryear’s Chelsea Hotel punk-and-junk scene. “I was there
the night she died.”
“She was killed by a drug dealer who worked at Max's Kansas City.
“Nancy's murder was videotaped --while Sid sits there on the couch,
completely out of it.. practically in a coma. This was the tableau I
had left them in.
“The big problem for Sid was--it took him so long to report the crime.
When he did report it, he had the blood all over him and everything.
“The reason Sid didn't report the murder in the morning right away was
that Nancy was dead, and he knew that he was gonna at least be detained
[by police] , and he was on the methadone program. He wanted to get his
methadone.”
These and other remembrances of Gotham’s downtown demimonde--including
heretofore unknown factoids about the late punker Johnny Thunders--will
appear in Gene Suicide’s book “Dead On Camera.”
[kittyradio.com]
Re: JOHN LYDON REVEALS MICK JAGGER ‘SECRETLY’ PAID SID VICIOUS’ LEGAL FEES
Posted by:
seitan
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Date: November 9, 2013 23:28
Redglare was attention seeking nutcase, who had nothing to do with Nancy's death. Just another pathetic loser trying to get his 15 minutes. He dont embellish the situation considerably - no, he talks complete bullshit.
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Re: Johnny Rotten says some nice things about Mick
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: November 10, 2013 00:26
Redglare was also a drug dealer who would have had reason to have been there where a crime of opportunism may have taken place.
Anyway, you don't know for sure whether or not he had anything to do with Nancy's death any more than I would. And I'm not alone in believing that he was there at the scene of the crime. Considering Redglare's "occupation" at the time and the habits of Sid and Nancy, this makes Redglare the prime suspect, since no one else has been named or suspected in all the years since.
Anyway, you don't know for sure whether or not he had anything to do with Nancy's death any more than I would. And I'm not alone in believing that he was there at the scene of the crime. Considering Redglare's "occupation" at the time and the habits of Sid and Nancy, this makes Redglare the prime suspect, since no one else has been named or suspected in all the years since.
Re: Johnny Rotten says some nice things about Mick
Posted by:
seitan
()
Date: November 10, 2013 01:20
Quote
stonehearted
Redglare was also a drug dealer who would have had reason to have been there where a crime of opportunism may have taken place.
Anyway, you don't know for sure whether or not he had anything to do with Nancy's death any more than I would. And I'm not alone in believing that he was there at the scene of the crime. Considering Redglare's "occupation" at the time and the habits of Sid and Nancy, this makes Redglare the prime suspect, since no one else has been named or suspected in all the years since.
I think I know more than you do and only because I watched the documentary where all the police files and info/evidence is available. People who were at the crime scene that night gave interviews for this documentary. And they all say that Redglare is innocent too.
I would like to say this again - watch the documentary video.
There is name for the killer and it's not Redglare and it's not Sid either... - Redglare is not and has never been the prime suspect.
Redglare didnt even have motive,
Redglare insisted that Sid was innocent - why would a real killer try to clear Sid's name ?
Sid was the prime suspect - If you try to get away with murder, why would you help the cops prime suspect ? Why would the real killer go and tell the cops that they got the wrong guy ? Come on - think. Redglare is not the only dealer Sid had
Redglare is not the only person who admitted being at the Chelsea Hotel that night. There are lot of others who were at the crime scene that sad night too and they are in this documentary and telling their story - So please - watch the film
The only prime suspect for years was Sid - least in public - and he is innocent. There is a "new" suspect and he has a name. Like I said: Watch the documentary.
Here:
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Re: Johnny Rotten says some nice things about Mick
Posted by:
MILKYWAY
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Date: November 10, 2013 02:00
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Big Al
Why are some still referring to him as 'Johnny Rotten'? All publications and interviewers refer to him as 'John Lydon' It's not 1977 any more.
For the same reason I still call Mark Wahlberg "Marky Mark". "Johnny Rotten" was the name he used to introduce himself to the world.
Why does it matter that "it's not 1977 any more". Do names expire like dairy products?
Never cared for that green-toothed fool. He looked like an exasperating brat on Judge Judy. And PIL sucked/sucks.
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