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Grison
Björnulf, thank you very much for this message. I was surprised when Mick Jagger said at Hyde Park 2: This is the final concert of THIS tour. However I felt that they may have made a short note decision for whatever reason and to release the pressure for expecations of further concerts.
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Grison
Björnulf, thank you very much for this message. I was surprised when Mick Jagger said at Hyde Park 2: This is the final concert of THIS tour. However I felt that they may have made a short note decision for whatever reason and to release the pressure for expecations of further concerts.
What else would he have said? It WAS the final concert of that tour. No other concerts were arranged, and even if they were, it would not be within the next few months, which still would make it the final concert of a tour.
There was no programme in that comment, nor a hidden agenda, nor were his words carefully planned. We should stop hearing things that are not said, for our own peace of mind.
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What else would he have said? It WAS the final concert of that tour. No other concerts were arranged, and even if they were, it would not be within the next few months, which still would make it the final concert of a tour.
There was no programme in that comment, nor a hidden agenda, nor were his words carefully planned. We should stop hearing things that are not said, for our own peace of mind.
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Doc
I had a feeling this might be the end.
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TeddyB1018
This is definitely a change from earlier plans. I'm guessing they're going to take a shot at a serious album while there's still physical product sold and people might still care. I think if they make something interesting they could attract lot of media and critical attention.
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TeddyB1018
This is definitely a change from earlier plans. I'm guessing they're going to take a shot at a serious album while there's still physical product sold and people might still care. I think if they make something interesting they could attract lot of media and critical attention.
That's the most likely explanation for the change of plans, imo.
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TeddyB1018
This is definitely a change from earlier plans. I'm guessing they're going to take a shot at a serious album while there's still physical product sold and people might still care. I think if they make something interesting they could attract lot of media and critical attention.
That's the most likely explanation for the change of plans, imo.
Do you really think so?
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This thread's quite funny really.
Prior to "50 and Counting" we spent the previous four years or so speculating [and broadly agreeing] that some open ended activity , with no longer term committment might be the way forward.
That's exactly what they've done... and we're all still here trying to second guess every next move
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Doxa
This starts to get worrying. Since the source is always optimistic BV, and his tone is rather negative regarding the shows later this year, there seemingly has happened some rapid change of plans. However how beautiful it sounds that they did it for to record a new album, I guess any realism will kick that scenario out. I mean, if they really have planned to continue to tour, even already booked some places, it is not very likely that they suddenly go and think "hey, let us not do those million bucks gigs, and instead let's go to to studio, since we love it so much for being there". In the middle of tour! Anyone being in those gigs so far, seeing the reaction and atmosphere there, and anyone waiting to see them in future, will not need a stimulus like a new record to go there. They really don't need a record or any other "excuses" any longer to attract audiences or sell out shows. They are past that phase. Just announce the gigs, and that will do.
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This starts to get worrying. Since the source is always optimistic BV, and his tone is rather negative regarding the shows later this year, there seemingly has happened some rapid change of plans. However how beautiful it sounds that they did it for to record a new album, I guess any realism will kick that scenario out. I mean, if they really have planned to continue to tour, even already booked some places, it is not very likely that they suddenly go and think "hey, let us not do those million bucks gigs, and instead let's go to to studio, since we love it so much for being there". In the middle of tour! Anyone being in those gigs so far, seeing the reaction and atmosphere there, and anyone waiting to see them in future, will not need a stimulus like a new record to go there. They really don't need a record or any other "excuses" any longer to attract audiences or sell out shows. They are past that phase. Just announce the gigs, and that will do.
- Doxa
We don't know Jagger's thoughts about the band's efforts, how he really felt about working with them, on and off stage, despite the fact that the audience was very enthusiastic. In the past Jagger has proven to go his own way, he is not the most nostalgic member of the group. The most important decision - doing more Stones gigs, is in his hands though.
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This starts to get worrying. Since the source is always optimistic BV, and his tone is rather negative regarding the shows later this year, there seemingly has happened some rapid change of plans. However how beautiful it sounds that they did it for to record a new album, I guess any realism will kick that scenario out. I mean, if they really have planned to continue to tour, even already booked some places, it is not very likely that they suddenly go and think "hey, let us not do those million bucks gigs, and instead let's go to to studio, since we love it so much for being there". In the middle of tour! Anyone being in those gigs so far, seeing the reaction and atmosphere there, and anyone waiting to see them in future, will not need a stimulus like a new record to go there. They really don't need a record or any other "excuses" any longer to attract audiences or sell out shows. They are past that phase. Just announce the gigs, and that will do.
- Doxa
We don't know Jagger's thoughts about the band's efforts, how he really felt about working with them, on and off stage, despite the fact that the audience was very enthusiastic. In the past Jagger has proven to go his own way, he is not the most nostalgic member of the group. The most important decision - doing more Stones gigs, is in his hands though.
Speculation: since the 80s the Stones launched tour after tour of breaking revenue/attendance records. Enthusiastic stadium concerts - ones that as we can learn from the "Worst stones concert you have ever..." thread, were sometimes so enthusiastic and positively flammable that most of the crown didnt even notice the more that occasional times KR, RW or both didnt function.
The last tour (with the exception of the "exotic" Glastonbury and the 2 "Like in the old times" HP gigs) looked more like a typical "rock legend arena-upscale city/crowd oriented REUNION tour". It didn't feel like the previous tours. In previous tours the Copacabana/Buenos Aires pieces seemed to be common, while the "extended club show for older rich folks" type were rare. This tour, and I know I take some amount of exaggeration here, was the opposite.
The Arena tours (surely the 2 O2 ones which I've watched more carefully) have been musically great, but the general atmosphere seemed to be a bit less of what the Stones tours sounded since the late 70s. I didnt watch the 2012 concerts lately but recall one scene from either JJF or Satisfaction where MJ was doing his Shpil, waving to the crowd etc., but the front rows were clearly seen packed with middle age well dressed folks, 1 out of 4 was waving back in a way I might think as more of what we would see in YES reunion concert.
Now this might look/be great for the real fans - finally able to HEAR the music, not just the bass/drum section, but it looked as if it does not belong to the usual genuine Stones gigs. I might assume MJ noticed that. Would guess it might led him to think "well: lets get over with the spring-summer shows we already are in negotiations about and then take time to think and see". It might be that what "we" saw as the Stones at their best for many years (and not just for a night here, night there) was taking a heavy toll from them - casing all to think they must take a longer than expected R&R and then decide whats next.
Again: speculations, but what else can we do now? the Taylor&paycheck&management pool is dry too.
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bv
Some people look at The Rolling Stones as some kind of commodity, like milk and bread. Fact is they are live persons, in fact four individuals. They are free to decide and change plans at any time, just like you and me, we talk to our partners and we agree on stuff, we disagree on stuff, then we move on. I might plan to climb a mountain next month them my wife says she want us to do something else then we change plans.
That is the whole point of small slots of 18 or so shows. They (the Stones) are old enough to be able to do it their own way. No need to demand or request. We should be happy if they choose to make a new album or a new slot of shows, and we should even be happy for them if they decide to spend more time with their family rather than with a bunch of fans in some arena or stadium...
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Continue means more shows. Like always. They never said how soon. Plans for a fall tour has been there but may be other plans first. That's all. We all have plans. We all do change them at times. But we never quit. I have said again and again... If you want to see the Stones then do it NOW. Don't wait until the "next" show - it might not happen...
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That is the whole point of small slots of 18 or so shows. They (the Stones) are old enough to be able to do it their own way. No need to demand or request. We should be happy if they choose to make a new album or a new slot of shows, and we should even be happy for them if they decide to spend more time with their family rather than with a bunch of fans in some arena or stadium...
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TeddyB1018
This is definitely a change from earlier plans. I'm guessing they're going to take a shot at a serious album while there's still physical product sold and people might still care. I think if they make something interesting they could attract lot of media and critical attention.
That's the most likely explanation for the change of plans, imo.
Do you really think so?
- Doxa