Doxa, I don't remember having read such comments on Ronnie solos in 2003 !
Late realism as often here ^^

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Doxa, I don't remember having read such comments on Ronnie solos in 2003 !
Late realism as often here ^^

I do recall there was, even the most pro-Wood contributor in this thread was rather critical back then.....

But the point is also that Woodie's solos do not generally much gather so much interest, or studied so closely as they do now in this thread. Besides, it seems to be that the Stones rely so little on solo guitar playing, that even a "bad" playing do not much hurt the show. Only good playing will make it even better, but bad one is forgiven by other factors...

We need to also remember that Woody's recent good playing has been noted by many fans, including myself (this even despite the Taylor euphoria). This seems to keep inside the memories of not so great times... or then, we can now finally admit, after seeing better performances that 'yeah, it really was so bad as it was, and not just 'idiosyncratic'. 'different', 'contextual' etc.

- Doxa



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But it is a bit sad that the archives before 2004 or so are gone... It would be nice to see how LICKS tour was discussed. I think the toughest criticism towards live shows started during A BIGGER BANG TOUR (when the concept of 'Vegas act' popped up, etc.), but it was Keith's solos, and his playing over-all, that seemed to be the biggest concern here. I think the tours before that were treated with a rather silky gloves. Or do I have too rosey glasses in my recollection here?

- Doxa

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Powerage
Doxa, I don't remember having read such comments on Ronnie solos in 2003 !
Late realism as often here ^^

Doxa's post is important, because many posters either weren't around in 1997-2003, or they simply haven't read the critical posts about both Keith and Ronnie in this period.

Ronnie had huge problems that affected his playing in a negative way, and this really escalated on the Licks Tour (and on the ABB-tour with Keith). You'll find numerous posts from me, Mathijs, Doxa and others about this.

However, Woody has been a Stone for almost 40 years, so luckily we still have lots of treasures to dig up and post

It's a shame that the official LA Friday version of GS isn't available on Youtube...

I remember I got into an argument with somebody in september/october 2003 about the different qualifications of the '69 and '78 tours, me defending the Mach III version of the Stones with Ronnie. However it never got into the current state of affairs, which might prove at least in that case that it was handled with silk gloves.

WAY at Budokan and WAY in Europe (Stockholm, Paris) are two different songs almost!!!!

I was there (on this show), and Ronnie's solo sounds just as great today!

Thanks Doxa. Hum archives ? "Best show ever", great Ronnie, great Keith, Awesome... great...

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Powerage
Doxa, I don't remember having read such comments on Ronnie solos in 2003 !
Late realism as often here ^^

I do recall there was, even the most pro-Wood contributor in this thread was rather critical back then.....

But the point is also that Woodie's solos do not generally much gather so much interest, or studied so closely as they do now in this thread. Besides, it seems to be that the Stones rely so little on solo guitar playing, that even a "bad" playing do not much hurt the show. Only good playing will make it even better, but bad one is forgiven by other factors...

We need to also remember that Woody's recent good playing has been noted by many fans, including myself (this even despite the Taylor euphoria). This seems to keep inside the memories of not so great times... or then, we can now finally admit, after seeing better performances that 'yeah, it really was so bad as it was, and not just 'idiosyncratic'. 'different', 'contextual' etc.

- Doxa

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Prejudice. The solo is a beauty, and with just enough homage to Taylor. A nice little thing that fits the song brilliantly.

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The "good" version of Worried about you is an attempt at recreating the original solo with the famous beginning, and it fails because Ronnie can't play that solo and he can't play a new solo of his own. Instead he does some riffing and some blues notes. He is clueless because he'd have to practice to learn the original solo and if he wanted to create something new he'd have to practice at that. If Id try that solo Id play like him because I haven't learned the whole solo but I know the beginning and the middle hook in that solo.

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Powerage
Doxa, I don't remember having read such comments on Ronnie solos in 2003 !
Late realism as often here ^^

Doxa's post is important, because many posters either weren't around in 1997-2003, or they simply haven't read the critical posts about both Keith and Ronnie in this period.

Ronnie had huge problems that affected his playing in a negative way, and this really escalated on the Licks Tour (and on the ABB-tour with Keith). You'll find numerous posts from me, Mathijs, Doxa and others about this.

However, Woody has been a Stone for almost 40 years, so luckily we still have lots of treasures to dig up and post

It's a shame that the official LA Friday version of GS isn't available on Youtube...

Yes, I'm one of the harshest critics of Ronnie's messed up solos during the ABB tour (SMU or TD, Ronnie's contributions lacerated these songs almost every time). But you're statement is absolutely right: There are many examples in his musical career that prove him as an excellent guitarist. In my opinion he was on his peak as member of the Faces and during the 75/76 tour. But also his contributions in 78 and 81/82 were great, not always, but often. In this sense the archive releases like LA Friday, Some Girls and Leeds 82 are "Ronnie Wood rehab projects" ...



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I was there (on this show), and Ronnie's solo sounds just as great today!

Er, really? The first couple of notes are okay (being the same as the studio version), then he just heads back to the pentatonic root position and starts blasting out the same Chuck Berry licks he always plays until Jagger cuts him off. It's not exactly a bad solo, but there's no real phrasing nor any attempt at melodic invention. It doesn't have much to do with the song. And Dandie: you can talk all you like about Taylorite snobbishness, but we are now on the twentieth page of you posting mediocre Ronnie Wood solos and criticising other posters for not being able to appreciate them.



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It doesn't have to be any "melodic invention" to be great. Sometime one note is enough, like on Knock Your Teeth Out

I like that solo very much. Suits the song brilliantly. Sounds lovely.

I'm not criticising other posters for not enjoying them - where did you get that from? I criticise other posters for comparing with other guitarists. That's not what this thread is about, is it?

By your criterias, Keith has never done a good solo, btw

Here's another great Ronnie solo:







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It doesn't have to be any "melodic invention" to be great. Sometime one note is enough, like on Knock Your Teeth Out

I like that solo very much. Suits the song brilliantly. Sounds lovely.

It's odd though, because Ronnie can play some real nice stuff at slower tempos: here's a good case in point







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Ron Wood is surely a great guy and more than a decent guitar player. He deserves respect for both.

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I'm not criticising other posters for not enjoying them - where did you get that from? I criticise other posters for comparing with other guitarists. That's not what this thread is about, is it?

By your criterias, Keith has never done a good solo, btw

Those are my criteria for playing a good solo on a song like You Can't Always Get What You Want, which has, you know, a slow tempo, a very distinctive melody to work with and a chord progression that ought to be a soloist's dream. What Ronnie plays on it is basically indistinguishable from the stuff he normally plays at the end of Midnight Rambler.



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Purely right !

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Yes, I'm one of the harshest critics of Ronnie's messed up solos during the ABB tour (SMU or TD, Ronnie's contributions lacerated this songs almost every time). But you're statement is absolutely right: There are many examples in his musical career that prove him as an excellent guitarist. In my opinion he was on his peak as member of the Faces and during the 75/76 tour. But also his contributions in 78 and 81/82 were great, not always, but often. In this sense the archive releases like LA Friday, Some Girls and Leeds 82 are "Ronnie Wood rehab projects" ...

Sometimes, some licks are enough. Still brilliant!