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sonomastone
it's silly to compare ron and MT
they had different jobs
MT's job was to be the lead guitarist
Ronnie's was to be Keith's buddy since MJ was through with doing that.

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71Tele
I believe it was actually Mick who insisted on Woody getting the gig, after trying out Wayne Perkins and Harvey Mandel, et al.

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I believe it was actually Mick who insisted on Woody getting the gig, after trying out Wayne Perkins and Harvey Mandel, et al.

Could be because Mick wanted someone to share the mike with, someone whod act on stage, whod be fun on stage, dress almost like Keith, and look like Keiths brother (sort of). And he got Ron Woods. A comic book rock star on guitar. I'm positive these were Micks thoughts in 1975. And I get that. They couldnt risk a new unknown guy who might freeze onstage, who they didnt know and probably wouldnt get along with, who wasnt used to their lifestyle - who they didnt knew. They needed a yes man who already was a stone and they already knew Ronnie.
Had they replaced him in 1981 we'd think of Ronnie like one of the brittish stars they hired in the 70s. Ronnie and Ian. The Faces era. + Billy and Brown.

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Actually Tonymo and sonomastone are spot on. Wayne Perkins was given the impression he got the job but of course they didnt want another guitar virtuoso, they wanted a Rolling Stone lookalike and actalike. And Ronnie was pretty well known and a crowd pleaser and they knew how he'd act and play in front of a crowd, he wasnt shy, and they were in a hurry after Taylor left.
Ronnie was probably a safe bet.He wasnt a member in 1975, he was hired for the tour, just like Billy who even had a solo spot.

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Some Girls era? Yes he was perfect in that era. And the new wave era. Maybe even more the ER -era.

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sonomastone
it's silly to compare ron and MT
they had different jobs
MT's job was to be the lead guitarist
Ronnie's was to be Keith's buddy since MJ was through with doing that.

Bingo!! Harvey Mandel, Jeff Beck and Wayne Perkins were the three guitarist's that we know of that the Stones brought in as possible replacements for Mick Taylor, and, there were probably a few others that we don't know about. Keith had to get along with all of them socially because ,a) he had no friends, and, because, b) he surely couldn't get along with them musically as he was unable to keep up. Therefore he wanted somebody who played a loopy pentatonic scale like a child with an attention deficit disorder The aforementioned guitarist's were steeped in learned blues and exotic scales and Keith probably said something like 'I need to find a guy I can hang out with, somebody who plays gin and snooker and likes to go for boat rides, take trips through Arkansas and occasionally go to Disney World ...and do cocaine, and Ron Wood was that man; because by the time Ronnie joined all Keith could play was open G tuning as he was tired of being overwhelmed by the genius of Mick Taylor (who was and is a learned blues stylist).

Mick Jagger was probably ok with Wood's selection (after all, Wood did get the gig) because Ron Wood was a member of a revered British band who liked to clown around on stage and that would take some of the spotlight from Mick (allowing him to take it easy-plus he could kiss Ron Wood and grab his %#*).

Mick had to know Ron Wood had played on Rod Stewart's solo albums where he managed to loopy his way through a variety of material. Mick probably figured that Ron Wood could (as a last resort, probably) at least play some slide guitar (or maybe Mick never heard Rod's version of 'Twistin' The Night Away' or The Faces 'That's All You Need'...who knows?). But most importantly, he knew lonely Keith needed somebody to be his buddy. So, voila'

Right from the git go Mick knew that Ron Wood was no Mick Taylor. The former missed Mick Taylor playing counterpoint to his lead vocal in a live setting (it was at this point that Mick Jagger undoubtedly realized that Ron Wood was not steeped in learned blues and exotic scales like his predecessors)... and... he knew with Mick Taylor's prodigious songwriting ability departed he would never again be able to write a song as good as '100 Years Ago'.

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Actually Tonymo and sonomastone are spot on. Wayne Perkins was given the impression he got the job but of course they didnt want another guitar virtuoso, they wanted a Rolling Stone lookalike and actalike. And Ronnie was pretty well known and a crowd pleaser and they knew how he'd act and play in front of a crowd, he wasnt shy, and they were in a hurry after Taylor left.
Ronnie was probably a safe bet.He wasnt a member in 1975, he was hired for the tour, just like Billy who even had a solo spot.

I don't know enough of Wayne P outside of Black and Blue but his solos on Hand of fate are so right and Stonesish (for a long time I thought the third was Keith's) that I think he would have been a v good fit.

(I find Black and Blue GREAT btw - the best of 3 diiferent guitarists playing with keith - who himself has larger role than in in IORR).

BUT the important thing SOCIALLY was that the new guy get on with Mick and Keith and so there was only one obvious choice for the band to keep going. And how it has!

I finf and found the '75-76 tour HUGELY disappointing in comparison to '72-73.
But that's not just cos of Taylor/Wood comparisons but because Keith'state, jagger's sloppy cracked vocals, the overdependence on Billy - in fact the whole Billy/Mick circus act, the use of a percussionaist that kind of chopped up the formerely relaxed and steady Charlie flow. Generally they'd become jaded and complacent and living on their laurels.

Hence the raison d'etre for punk - which challenged them out of their complacency and gave us Some Girls - for which Ronnie was perfectly suited.
Reasons to be cheerful - part 3.

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sonomastone
it's silly to compare ron and MT
they had different jobs
MT's job was to be the lead guitarist
Ronnie's was to be Keith's buddy since MJ was through with doing that.

Bingo!! Harvey Mandel, Jeff Beck and Wayne Perkins were the three guitarist's that we know of that the Stones brought in as possible replacements for Mick Taylor, and, there were probably a few others that we don't know about. Keith had to get along with all of them socially because ,a) he had no friends, and, because, b) he surely couldn't get along with them musically as he was unable to keep up. Therefore he wanted somebody who played a loopy pentatonic scale like a child with an attention deficit disorder The aforementioned guitarist's were steeped in learned blues and exotic scales and Keith probably said something like 'I need to find a guy I can hang out with, somebody who plays gin and snooker and likes to go for boat rides, take trips through Arkansas and occasionally go to Disney World ...and do cocaine, and Ron Wood was that man; because by the time Ronnie joined all Keith could play was open G tuning as he was tired of being overwhelmed by the genius of Mick Taylor (who was and is a learned blues stylist).

Mick Jagger was probably ok with Wood's selection (after all, Wood did get the gig) because Ron Wood was a member of a revered British band who liked to clown around on stage and that would take some of the spotlight from Mick (allowing him to take it easy-plus he could kiss Ron Wood and grab his %#*).

Mick had to know Ron Wood had played on Rod Stewart's solo albums where he managed to loopy his way through a variety of material. Mick probably figured that Ron Wood could (as a last resort, probably) at least play some slide guitar (or maybe Mick never heard Rod's version of 'Twistin' The Night Away' or The Faces 'That's All You Need'...who knows?). But most importantly, he knew lonely Keith needed somebody to be his buddy. So, voila'

Right from the git go Mick knew that Ron Wood was no Mick Taylor. The former missed Mick Taylor playing counterpoint to his lead vocal in a live setting (it was at this point that Mick Jagger undoubtedly realized that Ron Wood was not steeped in learned blues and exotic scales like his predecessors)... and... he knew with Mick Taylor's prodigious songwriting ability departed he would never again be able to write a song as good as '100 Years Ago'.

Well said tonymo..agree.

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I've said it many times before and I think I'm more than right: Jagger respected and liked Taylor a lot. You can see it on the Marquee movie and on L&G, you can hear it on many, many boots. He must have missed him terribly. Those two guys got along very well. It was Taylor who always got in the same car as Jagger after all.

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sonomastone
it's silly to compare ron and MT
they had different jobs
MT's job was to be the lead guitarist
Ronnie's was to be Keith's buddy since MJ was through with doing that.

Bingo!! Harvey Mandel, Jeff Beck and Wayne Perkins were the three guitarist's that we know of that the Stones brought in as possible replacements for Mick Taylor, and, there were probably a few others that we don't know about. Keith had to get along with all of them socially because ,a) he had no friends, and, because, b) he surely couldn't get along with them musically as he was unable to keep up. Therefore he wanted somebody who played a loopy pentatonic scale like a child with an attention deficit disorder The aforementioned guitarist's were steeped in learned blues and exotic scales and Keith probably said something like 'I need to find a guy I can hang out with, somebody who plays gin and snooker and likes to go for boat rides, take trips through Arkansas and occasionally go to Disney World ...and do cocaine, and Ron Wood was that man; because by the time Ronnie joined all Keith could play was open G tuning as he was tired of being overwhelmed by the genius of Mick Taylor (who was and is a learned blues stylist).

Mick Jagger was probably ok with Wood's selection (after all, Wood did get the gig) because Ron Wood was a member of a revered British band who liked to clown around on stage and that would take some of the spotlight from Mick (allowing him to take it easy-plus he could kiss Ron Wood and grab his %#*).

Mick had to know Ron Wood had played on Rod Stewart's solo albums where he managed to loopy his way through a variety of material. Mick probably figured that Ron Wood could (as a last resort, probably) at least play some slide guitar (or maybe Mick never heard Rod's version of 'Twistin' The Night Away' or The Faces 'That's All You Need'...who knows?). But most importantly, he knew lonely Keith needed somebody to be his buddy. So, voila'

Right from the git go Mick knew that Ron Wood was no Mick Taylor. The former missed Mick Taylor playing counterpoint to his lead vocal in a live setting (it was at this point that Mick Jagger undoubtedly realized that Ron Wood was not steeped in learned blues and exotic scales like his predecessors)... and... he knew with Mick Taylor's prodigious songwriting ability departed he would never again be able to write a song as good as '100 Years Ago'.

Well said tonymo..agree.

I've said it many times before and I think I'm more than right: Jagger respected and liked Taylor a lot. You can see it on the Marquee movie and on L&G, you can hear it on many, many boots. He must have missed him terribly. Those two guys got along very well. It was Taylor who always got in the same car as Jagger after all.

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But thinking of 'greatest Ron Wood solos', and especially of those Stones ones, which have a typical Ron Wood signature in them, I think the solos he has invented for "Start Me Up" are pure Ron, being short enough and including his particular funky punch, instictive feel, a few bum notes , and the ones Dandie calls "little tiaras".

Here is randomly one from Atlantic City '89, one of the best concerts the band ever has done. The solo starts at 1:55, but I recommend to listen the whole song, since the band was so hot that night:





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I stand to be corrected!

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Doxa
But thinking of 'greatest Ron Wood solos', and especially of those Stones ones, which have a typical Ron Wood signature in them, I think the solos he has invented for "Start Me Up" are pure Ron, being short enough and including his particular funky punch, instictive feel, a few bum notes , and the ones Dandie calls "little tiaras".

Here is randomly one from Atlantic City '89, one of the best concerts the band ever has done. The solo starts at 1:55, but I recommend to listen the whole song, since the band was so hot that night:





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But thinking of 'greatest Ron Wood solos', and especially of those Stones ones, which have a typical Ron Wood signature in them, I think the solos he has invented for "Start Me Up" are pure Ron, being short enough and including his particular funky punch, instictive feel, a few bum notes , and the ones Dandie calls "little tiaras".

Here is randomly one from Atlantic City '89, one of the best concerts the band ever has done. The solo starts at 1:55, but I recommend to listen the whole song, since the band was so hot that night:





- Doxa

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Of course, a consistent Taylorite could claim that had Jagger still had a player like Taylor in the band, he would not have needed any Chucks in 1989...

- Doxa

Not only a consistent taylorite but anyone with at least one brain cell.

Maybe you are right about the 78 period (not the 75 tour, because that was not foreseen and during that tour Wood played a lot like some sort of Taylor dummy. The same goes for the 76 tour which I attended myself. It was ersatz Stones compared to the earlier Taylor tour(s).

So it's only a very short period of time Jagger could enjoy Wood. At last he sort of accepted him. But I bet that he still has much resentment against Taylor for leaving, Mick himself being an outspoken taylorite.

(something went wrong with the quotes so it seems Doxa is kleermaker for a while and vice versa, but don't be mislead. )



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-04 21:12 by kleermaker.

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Thats the easiest "solo" in the history of rock. It's good, it fits the song but cmon, it's real easy.