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RollingFreak
I agree with most. I'd like to see something. Some encouraging "yeah, Keith!"s or some arms around each other. I'm a big Bruce Springsteen fan, and I love how obviously connected you can see the band is. He's smiling, sharing the mic with them, joking around, calling out to them. You knew they genuinely appreciated each other on stage, and its very likely they didn't hang out much off stage. But on stage they enjoyed playing together and know the fans like to see them interact and get a kick out of each other.
I think you can and can't take Jagger's actions personally. Mick NEEDS to run around the stage, and they have a big stage, so he doesn't have much time to stay back with the rest of the guys without soon needing to move around again. With him though, it seems he really doesn't want to be near Keith. He yells "gimme, gimme, gimme" at Keith's guitar, and then as soon as Keith starts moving up closer, Jagger moves away. I don't think its over analyzing to say its kind of noticeable.
And I think what makes it worse, in my eyes, is that Keith WANTS to be a little closer. He wants to put his arm around him on stage, he wants to sing some of the choruses, he wants to feed off Mick's energy. And it seems Mick wants the distance. I don't need or want them to kiss, but they are old and as someone young, I enjoy seeing these old guys who clearly just like to spend time with each other, at least on stage. Even with the Who, you see Pete and Roger joking around and carrying on on stage. Its just the two of them now, and its nice for a fan to see "yeah, they like each other." With the Stones, it really does feel like an obligation for the two to get close and its just a little annoying. I'd like to at least see Jagger give Keith a pat on the back once or twice, or act as jokingly and friendly as he does towards Ronnie and Charlie.
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Somegirl66
Mick was Keith's best man at his wedding in 1983. Google Mick and keith moment in shine a light, images, and there's some really sweet ones. They seemed pretty close again..I think Keith's book was the final straw for Mick and that while he has forgiven keith, he can't forget..not just the todger stuff but general digs..lead vocalist syndrome, brenda, her majesty etc..
Hear is an article Bill Wyman wrote on what Mick's reply would have been to "Life":
[www.slate.com]
All said, Mick's probably keeping his distance and just going on with the show...hopefully things will thaw and get better as they they tour. It would be great to see them share that camaraderie spirit once again. (:
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24FPS
Was it the Some Girls tour where the distance started? You think Mick was fed up with Keith's junkiedom and how Keith's bust endangered the band? Mick seemed to have lost a lot of the feeling that he and Keith were in this together. I really don't think their relationship survived the 70s.
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24FPS
Was it the Some Girls tour where the distance started? You think Mick was fed up with Keith's junkiedom and how Keith's bust endangered the band? Mick seemed to have lost a lot of the feeling that he and Keith were in this together. I really don't think their relationship survived the 70s.
As far as I recall, when I saw them in 1978 they were still singing into the same mic - at least on some songs. In '81 it was quite noticeable that Keith stuck to his own microphone when singing the backups. The closest they came to singing together was when Mick stood shoulder to shoulder with Keith on the chorus of HTW (which can be seen in the film Let's Spend the Night Together), but they still each used their own mic. They seem to have kept their distance ever since.
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Palace Revolution 2000
I don't think the OP's question is that far fetched. There is an in-between area between M& K kissing each other and the col shoulder. Every musician knows there is much to be said about a good rapport from one guy to another when playing live music.
Especially with the Stones and their long colorful history. I think every Stonesfan has to but into the notion of some kind of romance streak between the Glimmer Twins.
When there is no eye contact, no smiles then the idea of a last album is more remote IMO.
In the FF DVD backstage, when Keith is talking about separate dressing rooms, and not wanting to hear Jagger practice scales it is still done with humor. That was before 'Life'. IMO 'Life' broke something.
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Palace Revolution 2000
I don't think the OP's question is that far fetched. There is an in-between area between M& K kissing each other and the col shoulder. Every musician knows there is much to be said about a good rapport from one guy to another when playing live music.
Especially with the Stones and their long colorful history. I think every Stonesfan has to but into the notion of some kind of romance streak between the Glimmer Twins.
When there is no eye contact, no smiles then the idea of a last album is more remote IMO.
In the FF DVD backstage, when Keith is talking about separate dressing rooms, and not wanting to hear Jagger practice scales it is still done with humor. That was before 'Life'. IMO 'Life' broke something.
Keith should have been more careful with his book, apparently the communication hasn't been very good between them over the years, and in the book Keith wanted to say how he really feels, he should have talked about his feelings privately with Jagger in advance and though I understand that Keith wanted be honest in the book, I think that he could have been honest in a more civilized way.
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ThatsWhatISay
I think it's safe to say that this tour wouldn't have happened if things were that bad between Mick and Keith.
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ThatsWhatISay
I think it's safe to say that this tour wouldn't have happened if things were that bad between Mick and Keith.
Honestly, I don't think that's entirely true, thinking through the list of ex-friends and people in my life I personally hate, I'd definitely travel around the country spending two hours a night with my absolute worst enemy for $100 million. I've been insulted and dissed by lots of ex-girlfriends and bandmates and business partners and whatnot over the years, and in spite of how I feel about them, there's not one of those people I wouldn't travel around with them putting up with being around them for only two hours a day, if you stuck over $100 million in my face.
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Delta
If there was such a huge gulf between Mick and Keith, Waits would not have been onstage. Besides, members in every big band in world all have separate dressing rooms.Like Sonny Terry one said when Brownie McGee left him in a dressing, someone said "Hey, Sonny, Brownie just left". Sonny said, "We don't ride together"
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ThatsWhatISay
It's still very early in the tour and Mick and Keith are probably hyperfocused to deliver and not to hold hands. The older they get, the more effort it takes them to sound like a tight band. Especially Mick is very serious about his performance so I'm not suprised he looks as if he isolates himself from the rest of the band. Anyhow, I'm sure they will interact more once they start to loosen up.
But then again, as Doxa said, analyzing their relationship based on their onstage interaction is a litte far fetched. I think it's safe to say that this tour wouldn't have happened if things were that bad between Mick and Keith.
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angee
Yes, it's possible to read in too much to onstage interaction, yet I don't think that's the case here for people who've been watching them for a long time over many years. Then too there's the fact that they don't seem to have been in the same room writing or working on new songs for a good while.
What may have triggered more of the audience noticing their recent interaction was those few filmed moments in Shine a Light where they shared a mic, yes, a scene likely requested by the director. Also, Keith's book caused some to suspect that any rifts had widened, postponing another tour. I really wish Keith hadn't said he would lie to his mother if necessary, which implied he could well have lied to Mick. I think that's just Keith's rebel/pirate self stepping back from a bit of conciliation, maybe seen as softness or giving in. He may well have been sorry for causing so much pain to Mick, as he supposedly said, partly because the media picked up a phrase to broadcast, magnifying the negative parts of his text.
I really appreciate any shot of the two sharing glances, fist bumps or other direct interactions.
Some of us are more interested in looking at relationships than others, and in particular the one between the two songwriters and bandmates, always will be. That doesn't necessarily mean we're deluded or uninterested in the music, any more than it means that those whoaren't are unfeeling sods.
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rambler44
Really sad to hear. Thanks for answering. Could they really need the money so bad?? Why do it if they can't even acknowledge each other anymore. And you have Mick clearly going out of his way in the RS article to make sure everyone knows Keith means nothing more to him than just somebody he works with whom he has no affection for and would never consider to be like family.
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corriecas
maybe the audiences in the states dont get them fired up enough.
saw some videos, but its like all people are on drugs. Lame reactions, not much energy.
Jeroen
same with Abbott and Costello. Costello wanted to be cutting edge, but Abbott just wanted to do Whos on First and the other warhorses. In the end, it did them in.Quote
TeddyB1018
They're like Gilbert and Sullivan. A great team who grew apart from Sullivan's pretenses that his art was being held back by Gilbert's musical populism, which Gilbert resented, while the fans only wanted to hear their work together.