By the way, Dead Flowers, Shakespeare, himself, borrowed from Plutarch, the Greek historian, and this is what Plutarch stated about Cleopatra's barge:

"She came sailing up the river Cydnus in a barge with a poop of gold, its purple sails billowing in the wind, while her rowers caressed the water with oars of silver which dipped in time to the music of the flute, accompanied by pipes and lutes. Cleopatra herself reclined beneath a canopy of cloth of gold, dressed in the character of Venus, as we see her in paintings, while on either side to complete the picture stood boys costumed as Cupids, who cooled her with their fans. Instead of a crew the barge was lined with the most beautiful of her waiting-women attired as Nereids and Graces, some at the rudders, others at the tackle of the sails, and the while an indescribably rich perfume, exhaled from innumerable censers, was wafted from the vessel to the river-banks.

Great multitudes accompanied this royal progress, some of them following the queen on both sides of the river from its very mouth, while others hurried down from the city of Tarsus to gaze at the sight. Gradually the crowds drifted away from the market-place, where Antony awaited the queen enthroned on his tribunal, until at last he was left sitting quite alone.'

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Actually, Chris Jagger got an acknowledgement for the literary influences on Steel Wheels, and not Mick. Read the credits, please.

Note: Chris Jagger had a hand in writing the lyrics for the songs Blinded By Love
and Almost Hear You Sigh.

source: zentgraf.de

Well, tomcasagrande, I am quite amused to learn the facts and to see such massive literacy on this board. How nice a place it is.

Interesting lineage: Plutarch - Shakespeare - Mick. Sir Mick must be beaming with pride when coming cross these posts.

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By the way, Dead Flowers, Shakespeare, himself, borrowed from Plutarch, the Greek historian, and this is what Plutarch stated about Cleopatra's barge:

"She came sailing up the river Cydnus in a barge with a poop of gold, its purple sails billowing in the wind, while her rowers caressed the water with oars of silver which dipped in time to the music of the flute, accompanied by pipes and lutes. Cleopatra herself reclined beneath a canopy of cloth of gold, dressed in the character of Venus, as we see her in paintings, while on either side to complete the picture stood boys costumed as Cupids, who cooled her with their fans. Instead of a crew the barge was lined with the most beautiful of her waiting-women attired as Nereids and Graces, some at the rudders, others at the tackle of the sails, and the while an indescribably rich perfume, exhaled from innumerable censers, was wafted from the vessel to the river-banks.

Great multitudes accompanied this royal progress, some of them following the queen on both sides of the river from its very mouth, while others hurried down from the city of Tarsus to gaze at the sight. Gradually the crowds drifted away from the market-place, where Antony awaited the queen enthroned on his tribunal, until at last he was left sitting quite alone.'

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SanQ - "Mediocre artists borrow, great artists steal." - Picasso? T.S. Eliot? Eh somebody said it.

Mick Jagger is an absolutely fantastic lyric writer, to this day. Yes, Doom & Gloom is great and timely. "Hear a funky noise, that tightening of the screws". But you have to hear him spead out the word S C R E W S to get the full effect. Blinded By Love is brilliant. A lot of the lyrics he made up for the Exile and Some Girls bonus cuts are fantastic. But they indeed might lose something if he's not singing the lyrics.

In fact it's not Mick's singing, or lyrics I have a problem with. It's the engine room. The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo. It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.

doom and gloom is great and timely...........
hhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah

what drugs are you on. never listened to other music did you.
Utter shite.
Jeroen

i've noticed something about you. when you strongly disagree with someone, you always assume it has to do with drugs. why don't you consider other possibilities? perhaps an inherited brain disorder, for instance? i really think you need to open your mind, otherwise people will not take you seriously.

he also constantly spells 'shit' wrong, if we're getting nit-picky.

please don't make fun of someone's spelling difficulties. we all have our strengths and weaknesses. these are god-given. don't blame jeroen. blame god.

But isn't jeroen the guy who used to always sign off, 'byeeeee'?

It's almost as bad as 'peace'.

For that alone he deserves a heap of abuse.

abuse doesn't need to be deserved. it should just be expected and welcomed.

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Well, tomcasagrande, I am quite amused to learn the facts and to see such massive literacy on this board. How nice a place it is.

Interesting lineage: Plutarch - Shakespeare - Mick. Sir Mick must be beaming with pride when coming cross these posts.

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By the way, Dead Flowers, Shakespeare, himself, borrowed from Plutarch, the Greek historian, and this is what Plutarch stated about Cleopatra's barge:

"She came sailing up the river Cydnus in a barge with a poop of gold, its purple sails billowing in the wind, while her rowers caressed the water with oars of silver which dipped in time to the music of the flute, accompanied by pipes and lutes. Cleopatra herself reclined beneath a canopy of cloth of gold, dressed in the character of Venus, as we see her in paintings, while on either side to complete the picture stood boys costumed as Cupids, who cooled her with their fans. Instead of a crew the barge was lined with the most beautiful of her waiting-women attired as Nereids and Graces, some at the rudders, others at the tackle of the sails, and the while an indescribably rich perfume, exhaled from innumerable censers, was wafted from the vessel to the river-banks.

Great multitudes accompanied this royal progress, some of them following the queen on both sides of the river from its very mouth, while others hurried down from the city of Tarsus to gaze at the sight. Gradually the crowds drifted away from the market-place, where Antony awaited the queen enthroned on his tribunal, until at last he was left sitting quite alone.'

I don't know if Sir Mick has read Plutarch: I think Keith may have done so.

When I did my degrees, I used to love reading the ancient biographers, and historians, such as Josephus, Plutarch, Thucydides, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Herodotus.

I'd love to know if Sir Mick has ever read classical literature, and would love to hear if he has.

Just a thought - Mick could write a fantastic song on Candaules, Gygis, and Candaule's wife.

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The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo.

Rubbish...Keith still has monster tone and rhythm chops. Wyman was rarely around the studio anyway...how many tracks did he not play bass on!!

Keith hasn't come up with a powerful NEW riff in quite a while, something that's not reminiscent of a much earlier glory. How many tracks did Wyman not play bass on? Uh, very few that mattered. (JJF, SFTD, ER come to mind as being the exception to the rule.) How many did he have an absolute critical role in? Satisfaction, Get Off of My Cloud, Under My Thumb, 19th Nervous Breakdown, Dandelion, Monkey Man, (the Get Yer Ya Ya's out version of Live With Me), Bitch, Rocks Off, Hey Negrita, Miss You, Just My Imagination, She's So Cold, Start Me Up, Black Limousine (from Hampton '81), Going To a Go Go (from Still Life), Harlem Shuffle, Mixed Emotions, Terrifying, Blinded By Love, Almost Hear You Sigh, and Slipping Away.

Yeah, and Doom & Gloom is quite timely to what's going on right now in the world. Try listening to it, with some good drugs.

Hey...I didn't mention Keith's riffing, just his chops and tone...

and your man Bill was absent far more then you're uncrediting him for.

I always felt songs like Casino Boogie, All About You, Little T & A, Street Fighting Man, Sad Sad Sad, Rip This Joint, Crazy Mama, Soul Survivor, Shattered, All Down The Line, Silver Train, Tie You Up, Tumbling Dice, Fingerprint File, Dancing With Mr. D, Torn & Frayed, Make Me Run, Hold On To Your Hat, Happy, Some Girls, Break The Spell, Shine A Light, If You Can't Rock Me, and Heartbreaker mattered...but what does it matter...and Bill's nowhere to be seen on Voodoo Lounge or Stripped.

I will give you Continental Drift...that one didn't matter

Not the gretest but really good, indeed....

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Just a thought - Mick could write a fantastic song on Candaules, Gygis, and Candaule's wife.

he probably can't spell it let alone write a song about it..

the man dropped out of bizness school..

I always liked "Made a rag pile of my shiny clothes" from Moonlight Mile. Don't know how you can call anyone the greatest lyricist of all time though...

Oscar Hammerstein II comes pretty close

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Oscar Hammerstein II comes pretty close

True...but the music is a bit butch:

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The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo.

Rubbish...Keith still has monster tone and rhythm chops. Wyman was rarely around the studio anyway...how many tracks did he not play bass on!!

Keith hasn't come up with a powerful NEW riff in quite a while, something that's not reminiscent of a much earlier glory. How many tracks did Wyman not play bass on? Uh, very few that mattered. (JJF, SFTD, ER come to mind as being the exception to the rule.) How many did he have an absolute critical role in? Satisfaction, Get Off of My Cloud, Under My Thumb, 19th Nervous Breakdown, Dandelion, Monkey Man, (the Get Yer Ya Ya's out version of Live With Me), Bitch, Rocks Off, Hey Negrita, Miss You, Just My Imagination, She's So Cold, Start Me Up, Black Limousine (from Hampton '81), Going To a Go Go (from Still Life), Harlem Shuffle, Mixed Emotions, Terrifying, Blinded By Love, Almost Hear You Sigh, and Slipping Away.

Yeah, and Doom & Gloom is quite timely to what's going on right now in the world. Try listening to it, with some good drugs.

Hey...I didn't mention Keith's riffing, just his chops and tone...

and your man Bill was absent far more then you're uncrediting him for.

I always felt songs like Casino Boogie, All About You, Little T & A, Street Fighting Man, Sad Sad Sad, Rip This Joint, Crazy Mama, Soul Survivor, Shattered, All Down The Line, Silver Train, Tie You Up, Tumbling Dice, Fingerprint File, Dancing With Mr. D, Torn & Frayed, Make Me Run, Hold On To Your Hat, Happy, Some Girls, Break The Spell, Shine A Light, If You Can't Rock Me, and Heartbreaker mattered...but what does it matter...and Bill's nowhere to be seen on Voodoo Lounge or Stripped.

I will give you Continental Drift...that one didn't matter

Look buddy, love comes at the speed of light.

Didn't Keith write the "Ruby Tuesday" lyrics? Pretty good.......

Mick has had some fantastic moments though. "Memory Motel" for one.

Also, some of the composers of the early-mid 20th century (Hoagy Carmichael, etc. - even Robert Johnson) were very strong.

Pre-political Steve Earle, anyone?

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

Oh yeah, even all these great ones have written a few dogs.

If lyric writing were a competition then I'd put Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Bob Marley, Robbie Robertson, Nick Cave, Lou Reed, Warren Zevon, Paul Simon, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry ahead of Mick Jagger. Hell, I'd even put some hip hop artists on there, as well. Some are very talented.

But that's only my opinion, of course.

Dare I mention Don Henley?

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If lyric writing were a competition then I'd put Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Bob Marley, Robbie Robertson, Nick Cave, Lou Reed, Warren Zevon, Paul Simon, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry ahead of Mick Jagger. Hell, I'd even put some hip hop artists on there, as well. Some are very talented.

But that's only my opinion, of course.

thank you for the Nick Cave plug...he doesn't get his due enough. on a par with dylan for my money...

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Didn't Keith write the "Ruby Tuesday" lyrics? Pretty good.......

Mick has had some fantastic moments though. "Memory Motel" for one.

Also, some of the composers of the early-mid 20th century (Hoagy Carmichael, etc. - even Robert Johnson) were very strong.

Pre-political Steve Earle, anyone?

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

Oh yeah, even all these great ones have written a few dogs.

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

yeah!! that was well said there. the whole post.

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Didn't Keith write the "Ruby Tuesday" lyrics? Pretty good.......

Mick has had some fantastic moments though. "Memory Motel" for one.

Also, some of the composers of the early-mid 20th century (Hoagy Carmichael, etc. - even Robert Johnson) were very strong.

Pre-political Steve Earle, anyone?

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

Oh yeah, even all these great ones have written a few dogs.

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

yeah!! that was well said there. the whole post.

"Pre political Steve Earle": well, what was Good Ole Boy (Gettin' Tough) about, if not politics, and that was on Guitar Town album ?

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The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo.

Rubbish...Keith still has monster tone and rhythm chops. Wyman was rarely around the studio anyway...how many tracks did he not play bass on!!

Keith hasn't come up with a powerful NEW riff in quite a while, something that's not reminiscent of a much earlier glory. How many tracks did Wyman not play bass on? Uh, very few that mattered. (JJF, SFTD, ER come to mind as being the exception to the rule.) How many did he have an absolute critical role in? Satisfaction, Get Off of My Cloud, Under My Thumb, 19th Nervous Breakdown, Dandelion, Monkey Man, (the Get Yer Ya Ya's out version of Live With Me), Bitch, Rocks Off, Hey Negrita, Miss You, Just My Imagination, She's So Cold, Start Me Up, Black Limousine (from Hampton '81), Going To a Go Go (from Still Life), Harlem Shuffle, Mixed Emotions, Terrifying, Blinded By Love, Almost Hear You Sigh, and Slipping Away.

Yeah, and Doom & Gloom is quite timely to what's going on right now in the world. Try listening to it, with some good drugs.

Hey...I didn't mention Keith's riffing, just his chops and tone...

and your man Bill was absent far more then you're uncrediting him for.

I always felt songs like Casino Boogie, All About You, Little T & A, Street Fighting Man, Sad Sad Sad, Rip This Joint, Crazy Mama, Soul Survivor, Shattered, All Down The Line, Silver Train, Tie You Up, Tumbling Dice, Fingerprint File, Dancing With Mr. D, Torn & Frayed, Make Me Run, Hold On To Your Hat, Happy, Some Girls, Break The Spell, Shine A Light, If You Can't Rock Me, and Heartbreaker mattered...but what does it matter...and Bill's nowhere to be seen on Voodoo Lounge or Stripped.

I will give you Continental Drift...that one didn't matter

Look buddy, love comes at the speed of light.

But apparently a good catchy song does not

Did anybody mention Neil Peart? I believe he wrote the lyrics for most of the Rush albums. He would probably be above Jagger.

"Lyin' awake in a cold, cold sweat. Am I overdrawn, am I going in debt?
It gets worse, the older that you get. No escape from the state of confusion I'm in.

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Didn't Keith write the "Ruby Tuesday" lyrics? Pretty good.......

Mick has had some fantastic moments though. "Memory Motel" for one.

Also, some of the composers of the early-mid 20th century (Hoagy Carmichael, etc. - even Robert Johnson) were very strong.

Pre-political Steve Earle, anyone?

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

Oh yeah, even all these great ones have written a few dogs.

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

yeah!! that was well said there. the whole post.

"Pre political Steve Earle": well, what was Good Ole Boy (Gettin' Tough) about, if not politics, and that was on Guitar Town album ?

True, but he's pretty much lost me - since about the time of "Ellis Unit One". .

"No Anchovies, Please"

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Didn't Keith write the "Ruby Tuesday" lyrics? Pretty good.......

Mick has had some fantastic moments though. "Memory Motel" for one.

Also, some of the composers of the early-mid 20th century (Hoagy Carmichael, etc. - even Robert Johnson) were very strong.

Pre-political Steve Earle, anyone?

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

Oh yeah, even all these great ones have written a few dogs.

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

yeah!! that was well said there. the whole post.

"Pre political Steve Earle": well, what was Good Ole Boy (Gettin' Tough) about, if not politics, and that was on Guitar Town album ?

True, but he's pretty much lost me - since about the time of "Ellis Unit One". .

Same here...that was 1996 and I made it through Transcendental Blues in 2000...then I got out...

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Didn't Keith write the "Ruby Tuesday" lyrics? Pretty good.......

Mick has had some fantastic moments though. "Memory Motel" for one.

Also, some of the composers of the early-mid 20th century (Hoagy Carmichael, etc. - even Robert Johnson) were very strong.

Pre-political Steve Earle, anyone?

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.



Oh yeah, even all these great ones have written a few dogs.

Count me in with the Dylan crowd. If he stole, he sure put the words together in a special way.

yeah!! that was well said there. the whole post.

"Pre political Steve Earle": well, what was Good Ole Boy (Gettin' Tough) about, if not politics, and that was on Guitar Town album ?

True, but he's pretty much lost me - since about the time of "Ellis Unit One". .

Ellis Unit One was done better with the Fairfield Four, than on the Dead Man Walking OST.

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Did anybody mention Neil Peart? I believe he wrote the lyrics for most of the Rush albums. He would probably be above Jagger.

MunicHotel, (is that his name), already did.

Unfortunately Neil Peart is Canadian and would have to be disqualified on a technicality.

Nice try sneaking his name in though.

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The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo.

Rubbish...Keith still has monster tone and rhythm chops. Wyman was rarely around the studio anyway...how many tracks did he not play bass on!!

Keith hasn't come up with a powerful NEW riff in quite a while, something that's not reminiscent of a much earlier glory. How many tracks did Wyman not play bass on? Uh, very few that mattered. (JJF, SFTD, ER come to mind as being the exception to the rule.) How many did he have an absolute critical role in? Satisfaction, Get Off of My Cloud, Under My Thumb, 19th Nervous Breakdown, Dandelion, Monkey Man, (the Get Yer Ya Ya's out version of Live With Me), Bitch, Rocks Off, Hey Negrita, Miss You, Just My Imagination, She's So Cold, Start Me Up, Black Limousine (from Hampton '81), Going To a Go Go (from Still Life), Harlem Shuffle, Mixed Emotions, Terrifying, Blinded By Love, Almost Hear You Sigh, and Slipping Away.

Yeah, and Doom & Gloom is quite timely to what's going on right now in the world. Try listening to it, with some good drugs.

Hey...I didn't mention Keith's riffing, just his chops and tone...

and your man Bill was absent far more then you're uncrediting him for.

I always felt songs like Casino Boogie, All About You, Little T & A, Street Fighting Man, Sad Sad Sad, Rip This Joint, Crazy Mama, Soul Survivor, Shattered, All Down The Line, Silver Train, Tie You Up, Tumbling Dice, Fingerprint File, Dancing With Mr. D, Torn & Frayed, Make Me Run, Hold On To Your Hat, Happy, Some Girls, Break The Spell, Shine A Light, If You Can't Rock Me, and Heartbreaker mattered...but what does it matter...and Bill's nowhere to be seen on Voodoo Lounge or Stripped.

I will give you Continental Drift...that one didn't matter

Look buddy, love comes at the speed of light.

But apparently a good catchy song does not

Look my friend, "Let's Work" is 'catchy'...careful what you wish for.

Sheesh... it seems everyone missed the whole point of this article and quote.

talk about whoooooosh

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Did anybody mention Neil Peart? I believe he wrote the lyrics for most of the Rush albums. He would probably be above Jagger.

MunicHotel, (is that his name), already did.

Unfortunately Neil Peart is Canadian and would have to be disqualified on a technicality.

Nice try sneaking his name in though.

What a load of fertilizer...Neil already won this thing...he just never shows up to accept, damn him.

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Did anybody mention Neil Peart? I believe he wrote the lyrics for most of the Rush albums. He would probably be above Jagger.

MunicHotel, (is that his name), already did.

Unfortunately Neil Peart is Canadian and would have to be disqualified on a technicality.

Nice try sneaking his name in though.

What a load of fertilizer...Neil already won this thing...he just never shows up to accept, damn him.

You said what a load of fertilizer. That's pretty cool.

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Did anybody mention Neil Peart? I believe he wrote the lyrics for most of the Rush albums. He would probably be above Jagger.

MunicHotel, (is that his name), already did.

Unfortunately Neil Peart is Canadian and would have to be disqualified on a technicality.

Nice try sneaking his name in though.

What a load of fertilizer...Neil already won this thing...he just never shows up to accept, damn him.

You said what a load of fertilizer. That's pretty cool.

Just looking out for the hard of hearing...