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Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: FrankM ()
Date: April 22, 2013 22:20

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: GRNRBITW ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:00

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stonesrule
FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: FrankM ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:06

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

So that means if there is an important worldwide movement in the future and Streets Of Love is somehow tied into it we all have to love Streets Of Love?

"Lyin' awake in a cold, cold sweat. Am I overdrawn, am I going in debt?
It gets worse, the older that you get. No escape from the state of confusion I'm in.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-04-22 23:13 by FrankM.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:21

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

So that means if there is an important worldwide movement in the future and Streets Of Love is somehow tied into it we all have to love Streets Of Love?

In fact, I hope there is, just to spite you.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: GRNRBITW ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:40

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

So that means if there is an important worldwide movement in the future and Streets Of Love is somehow tied into it we all have to love Streets Of Love?

In fact, I hope there is, just to spite you.

i look forward to the worldwide movement that invokes SOL...that's gonna be awesome...

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:45

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

So that means if there is an important worldwide movement in the future and Streets Of Love is somehow tied into it we all have to love Streets Of Love?

In fact, I hope there is, just to spite you.

i look forward to the worldwide movement that invokes SOL...that's gonna be awesome...

Exactly!

What are we fighting for people? We don't need Street Fighting Man, we need Streets of Love.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: stonesrule ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:46

FrankM, my main objection as I stated earlier was your reference to "Blowin' In The Wind as "ultra campy."

If you don't have any heart or soul,so be it.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: GRNRBITW ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:49

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stonesrule
FrankM, my main objection as I stated earlier was your reference to "Blowin' In The Wind as "ultra campy."

If you don't have any heart or soul,so be it.

i don't have any lungs or wisdom...but blowin' in the wind rocks. missing various organs and whatnot is no excuse.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:51

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

So that means if there is an important worldwide movement in the future and Streets Of Love is somehow tied into it we all have to love Streets Of Love?

In fact, I hope there is, just to spite you.

i look forward to the worldwide movement that invokes SOL...that's gonna be awesome...


This movement has already occurred in the bowel region of the lower buttcheek basin...

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: GRNRBITW ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:56

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

So that means if there is an important worldwide movement in the future and Streets Of Love is somehow tied into it we all have to love Streets Of Love?

In fact, I hope there is, just to spite you.

i look forward to the worldwide movement that invokes SOL...that's gonna be awesome...


This movement has already occurred in the bowel region of the lower buttcheek basin...

any idea where it moves to next?

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: April 22, 2013 23:57

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FrankM, do you know anything about the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s?

"Blowin' In The Wind" meant something to numerous Americans at that time...

the sort of men and women who didn't have time to sit around listening to the radio and spinning "rock and roll fantasies."

So what's your point? If it meant something to some people then so be it. I think you are trying to make the song something it isn't. Not everbody equates a particular movement with a song. The movement might be important but does that mean we all have to love the song?

yes

So that means if there is an important worldwide movement in the future and Streets Of Love is somehow tied into it we all have to love Streets Of Love?

In fact, I hope there is, just to spite you.

i look forward to the worldwide movement that invokes SOL...that's gonna be awesome...


This movement has already occurred in the bowel region of the lower buttcheek basin...

any idea where it moves to next?


Yeah, a few...

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: FrankM ()
Date: April 23, 2013 00:05

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stonesrule
FrankM, my main objection as I stated earlier was your reference to "Blowin' In The Wind as "ultra campy."

If you don't have any heart or soul,so be it.

OMG there are some people that never miss a chance to be offended. The song has been used at various times througout the years for various reasons. While I support some of the causes it was used for it is the cause itself that is important not the song.

How many people have poked fun at Streets Of Love? It was actually used during an ad that asked for donations after Hurricane Katrina. Do people who criticize Streets Of Love have no heart or soul?

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: GRNRBITW ()
Date: April 23, 2013 00:38

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FrankM
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stonesrule
FrankM, my main objection as I stated earlier was your reference to "Blowin' In The Wind as "ultra campy."

If you don't have any heart or soul,so be it.

OMG there are some people that never miss a chance to be offended. The song has been used at various times througout the years for various reasons. While I support some of the causes it was used for it is the cause itself that is important not the song.

How many people have poked fun at Streets Of Love? It was actually used during an ad that asked for donations after Hurricane Katrina. Do people who criticize Streets Of Love have no heart or soul?

that is correct.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Date: April 23, 2013 01:22

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stonesrule
FrankM, my main objection as I stated earlier was your reference to "Blowin' In The Wind as "ultra campy."

If you don't have any heart or soul,so be it.

OMG there are some people that never miss a chance to be offended. The song has been used at various times througout the years for various reasons. While I support some of the causes it was used for it is the cause itself that is important not the song.

How many people have poked fun at Streets Of Love? It was actually used during an ad that asked for donations after Hurricane Katrina. Do people who criticize Streets Of Love have no heart or soul?

was streets of love written about hurricane katrina though? the answer is no. blowin in the wind was written about the civil rights struggles

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 23, 2013 02:33

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FrankM, my main objection as I stated earlier was your reference to "Blowin' In The Wind as "ultra campy."

If you don't have any heart or soul,so be it.

OMG there are some people that never miss a chance to be offended. The song has been used at various times througout the years for various reasons. While I support some of the causes it was used for it is the cause itself that is important not the song.

How many people have poked fun at Streets Of Love? It was actually used during an ad that asked for donations after Hurricane Katrina. Do people who criticize Streets Of Love have no heart or soul?

that is correct.

While I missed a chance earlier I'm taking advantage of the opportunity now.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: stonesrule ()
Date: April 23, 2013 04:40

I DON'T feel "offended."

My reaction was and is one of surprise...that you didn't view "Blowin in the Wind" as significant to what was happening in America in the 1960's. That it wasn't...isn't "just another pop song."

I don't think of "Streets of Love" in the same vein as the Dylan song...but if it helped to raise money for an important cause like helping victims of Hurricane Katrina I'm happy to know that.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 23, 2013 05:48

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stonesrule
I DON'T feel "offended."

My reaction was and is one of surprise...that you didn't view "Blowin in the Wind" as significant to what was happening in America in the 1960's. That it wasn't...isn't "just another pop song."

I don't think of "Streets of Love" in the same vein as the Dylan song...but if it helped to raise money for an important cause like helping victims of Hurricane Katrina I'm happy to know that.

I believe people may have paid money for them to stop playing it. It was something like that anyway.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: April 23, 2013 09:42

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I DON'T feel "offended."

My reaction was and is one of surprise...that you didn't view "Blowin in the Wind" as significant to what was happening in America in the 1960's. That it wasn't...isn't "just another pop song."

I don't think of "Streets of Love" in the same vein as the Dylan song...but if it helped to raise money for an important cause like helping victims of Hurricane Katrina I'm happy to know that.

I believe people may have paid money for them to stop playing it. It was something like that anyway.

The significance of a song may have very little to do with the quality of its lyrics (though it helps if they are as good as "Blowin' in the Wind" ).

(edited to get rid of accidental smiley)



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Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: April 23, 2013 09:51

228 posts later....Is Jagger still the greatest lyricist of ALL TIME?

2 1 2 0

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: GRNRBITW ()
Date: April 23, 2013 14:19

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Come On
228 posts later....Is Jagger still the greatest lyricist of ALL TIME?

no - it happened somewhere around the 132nd post....

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: April 23, 2013 14:53

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228 posts later....Is Jagger still the greatest lyricist of ALL TIME?

no - it happened somewhere around the 132nd post....

Ooooh! Someone come to think of Mr Zimmerman I suppose...



2 1 2 0

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 23, 2013 16:22

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Come On
228 posts later....Is Jagger still the greatest lyricist of ALL TIME?

I don't think the overwhelming majority on this board, or MJ would think so.

Tim Rice on the other hand...

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: April 23, 2013 21:23

Yes, "Blowin' In The Wind" was a civil rights anthem. That said, "Puff The Magic Dragon" was a pot smoking anthem (even if unintentional). They both bore the daylights out of me. Maybe I just don't like Peter, Paul, and Mary.

In fact, the folk music of the 60's blows in the wind (and elsewhere). Think I'll go have a puff...........

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: FrankM ()
Date: April 23, 2013 21:26

Mary was kind of cute.

"Lyin' awake in a cold, cold sweat. Am I overdrawn, am I going in debt?
It gets worse, the older that you get. No escape from the state of confusion I'm in.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 23, 2013 22:31

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Elmo Lewis
Yes, "Blowin' In The Wind" was a civil rights anthem. That said, "Puff The Magic Dragon" was a pot smoking anthem (even if unintentional). They both bore the daylights out of me. Maybe I just don't like Peter, Paul, and Mary.

In fact, the folk music of the 60's blows in the wind (and elsewhere). Think I'll go have a puff...........

I can't imagine 'boring' would be what the majority of people feel, but who knows. Isn't the question at hand the quality of the lyrics?

Is it the lyrics you find boring, because lyrically before Dylan in terms of lyrics, what you had was BORING. Yackity yack, don't talk back!

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: April 23, 2013 22:47

Yeah, the lyrics are very meaningful, but the song is BORING.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 24, 2013 00:28

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Yeah, the lyrics are very meaningful, but the song is BORING.

It's a simple song and if that is boring to you that's a personal thing.

I think the point of the thread is lyrics not music, so at least we're in agreement on something.

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: April 24, 2013 08:17

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Elmo Lewis
Yes, "Blowin' In The Wind" was a civil rights anthem. That said, "Puff The Magic Dragon" was a pot smoking anthem (even if unintentional). They both bore the daylights out of me. Maybe I just don't like Peter, Paul, and Mary.

In fact, the folk music of the 60's blows in the wind (and elsewhere). Think I'll go have a puff...........

It's 26 new Dylan-albums released since the 60ies...

2 1 2 0

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: April 24, 2013 08:33

Blowin' In The Wind ...
Dylan was inspired by the old spiritual No More Auction Block ....
Heck he's even admitted in interview once but don't think twice .....



ROCKMAN

Re: Jagger the Greatest Lyricist of ALL TIME - Tim Rice
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: April 24, 2013 11:45

Dylan's skill is often in taking old songs and traditional formats and adapting them - or since he is a genius, flat-out stealing whole chunks of other songs and putting them together into something of his own. Expect to recognise his references.

Mick's lyrics, on the other hand, are occasionally based on something he's read, but hardly ever on existing songs or well-known formats. Expect the unexpected.

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