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windmelody
Jagger could have done fantastic texts for adds, but he is no lyricist, he has never tried or claimed to be one. The only lyricists in popular music seem to be Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan.
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Jah Paul
No knock against Mick, but I'd put Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, Taupin, Paul Simon, Townshend, Billy Joel, Sting, Petty, Springsteen, Neil Young and others ahead of him in the lyric-writing department.
As someoene else mentioned, for the Stones it's been more about the great music and melodies than the lyrics.
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windmelody
Jagger could have done fantastic texts for adds, but he is no lyricist, he has never tried or claimed to be one. The only lyricists in popular music seem to be Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan.
That's the stupidest thing I've read on this forum and I read a lot of them
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duke richardson
>>Bob Dylan just steals lines from books and movies with hardly any of his own thoughts or lines anymore. Then again I can't be sure if Mick does that though. But Dylan for sure does.<<
to dismiss an entire career that way is just plain wrong
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treaclefingers
Acclaimed songwriter Sir Tim Rice has ranked British knight Sir Mick Jagger as the greatest lyricist of all time.
- btw: hasn't there been a guy named Shakespeare?Quote
treaclefingers
…the greatest lyricist of all time.
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treaclefingers
Acclaimed songwriter Sir Tim Rice has ranked British knight Sir Mick Jagger as the greatest lyricist of all time.
quite absurd!
How many songs Jagger wrote can stand as a poem? Tell me five pieces he wrote that still work when read aloud (without music etc). (and then thy to compare one or two of his best efforts to Desolation Row, Visions of Johanna, Mississippi or even Blowin' In The Wind)- btw: hasn't there been a guy named Shakespeare?Quote
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…the greatest lyricist of all time.
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24FPS
The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo.
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Jah Paul
No knock against Mick, but I'd put Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, Taupin, Paul Simon, Townshend, Billy Joel, Sting, Petty, Springsteen, Neil Young and others ahead of him in the lyric-writing department.
As someoene else mentioned, for the Stones it's been more about the great music and melodies than the lyrics.
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duke richardson
>>Bob Dylan just steals lines from books and movies with hardly any of his own thoughts or lines anymore. Then again I can't be sure if Mick does that though. But Dylan for sure does.<<
to dismiss an entire career that way is just plain wrong
If you knew what I know, you would understand. As a huge Dylan fan for 20 years, I have studied him extensively. He's not as all original as we might first believe. His brilliance is that he can steal so well that you thunk its his stuff when it isn't. In particular, his latest material is all bits and pieces that he's taken from dozens of different places and put them all together. The song Long and Wasted Years, upon first listen, would appear to be a sincere look back at a life of relationships gone bad and a big dose of sincerity...until you realize that most of the lines were taken from old movies, practically verbatim! It shocked me! There's a facebook group dedicated to discovering Bob's sources called "Love and Theft." Believe me, I know my Dylan stuff. I'm friends with many of the biggest Dylan experts/collectors in the world and these guys study Dylan relentlessly everyday. I will say this though, Bob is a huge fan of music, books, and lyrics and unless a person were an expert like him, they could never do such a good job at putting so many sources together in such an original way. I could go on and on, but I will leave it at that for now.
Mick is a great lyricist, very influenced by Dylan. I can tell he puts a lot of thought into his lyrics, whether you think so or not. It seems like people who don't write lyrics themselves criticize what they don't understand. When I read Mick's lyrics, I am always amazed and find myself noting how clever they are. Go on and read them, particularly some of his latest lyrics. Very observant of what's going on today. Doom and Gloom is a pretty accurate set of lyrics which show he's well aware of the latest trends. I think above all his lyrics show how smart he is, in my humble opinion.
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24FPS
SanQ - "Mediocre artists borrow, great artists steal." - Picasso? T.S. Eliot? Eh somebody said it.
Mick Jagger is an absolutely fantastic lyric writer, to this day. Yes, Doom & Gloom is great and timely. "Hear a funky noise, that tightening of the screws". But you have to hear him spead out the word S C R E W S to get the full effect. Blinded By Love is brilliant. A lot of the lyrics he made up for the Exile and Some Girls bonus cuts are fantastic. But they indeed might lose something if he's not singing the lyrics.
In fact it's not Mick's singing, or lyrics I have a problem with. It's the engine room. The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo. It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
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Jah Paul
No knock against Mick, but I'd put Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, Taupin, Paul Simon, Townshend, Billy Joel, Sting, Petty, Springsteen, Neil Young and others ahead of him in the lyric-writing department.
As someoene else mentioned, for the Stones it's been more about the great music and melodies than the lyrics.
and Ray Davies
Mick's lyrics are very personal, sometimes describing ordinary stuff and short subjects. While I would hesitate to cite him as the greatest I'd certainly say SFTD and SV are great lyrics that I'm pretty sure he's solely responsible for. That being said I can't say for sure which of The Glimmers wrote anything. In all the virtual rock categories these guys are at the top or near it. Greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world!Quote
stonesrule
I don't see this as a contest.
I have lots of favorite lyric writers...most of them long dead.
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Rockman
BUT, non-Stones fans always say "he isn't really singing! He's just shouting to the music!" which is often very true.
Heck ... what're they gonna say when they hear Springsteen ?...
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24FPS
SanQ - "Mediocre artists borrow, great artists steal." - Picasso? T.S. Eliot? Eh somebody said it.
Mick Jagger is an absolutely fantastic lyric writer, to this day. Yes, Doom & Gloom is great and timely. "Hear a funky noise, that tightening of the screws". But you have to hear him spead out the word S C R E W S to get the full effect. Blinded By Love is brilliant. A lot of the lyrics he made up for the Exile and Some Girls bonus cuts are fantastic. But they indeed might lose something if he's not singing the lyrics.
In fact it's not Mick's singing, or lyrics I have a problem with. It's the engine room. The musicians who back him aren't up to snuff anymore. Or at least they're not being recorded right, like Charlie's drums. And of course, the problem since Voodoo Lounge, Wyman took their studio mojo. It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
doom and gloom is great and timely...........
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what drugs are you on. never listened to other music did you.
Utter shite.
Jeroen
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stonesrule
flacnvinyl Mick is a mover, always has been and it's what he loves...he's a "front man."
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Jah Paul
No knock against Mick, but I'd put Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, Taupin, Paul Simon, Townshend, Billy Joel, Sting, Petty, Springsteen, Neil Young and others ahead of him in the lyric-writing department.
As someoene else mentioned, for the Stones it's been more about the great music and melodies than the lyrics.
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stonesrule
flacnvinyl Mick is a mover, always has been and it's what he loves...he's a "front man."