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Mathijs
Taylor's guitar was replaced by Richards on LQ, probably because Taylor plays straight while Watts had turned the beat around in the intro. I further suspect Carol -Taylor's straight rhythm guitar on boots of this tour is looser with timing than what we hear on YY. Last, live Taylor would play solo runs on the bridge and outro of JJF, something missing on YY, and we know Richards did experiment with adding a solo. Taylor's part on JJF is not overdubbed, but it could be mixed down/edited out.
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Please, please, please....correct me if I'm wrong.
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Please, please, please....correct me if I'm wrong.
rocker, have you heard the raw tapes such as The Alternate Ya Yas or Broadway?
The overdubs are really not that hard to find.
You are correct about vocals more predominantly overd'd but many guitars were too. Maybe even Charlie laid down a different drum here or there [probably not].
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what about the ukelele overdub, hmmmm? i don't remember any ukelele players on stage....
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71Tele
Check out the tasty guitars (dare I say "weaving"?) at around 2:40, right before the verse. Not on Ya Yas.
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Check out the tasty guitars (dare I say "weaving"?) at around 2:40, right before the verse. Not on Ya Yas.
Very cool playing. And yep, it's not on Ya-Yas. But...and not that you suggested it did...it doesn't contribute much to the conversation about instrumental overdubs on Ya-Ya's, as the Ya-Ya's show is from 11/27, and this is the first show (breakfast show) from 11/28.
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Taylor's guitar was replaced by Richards on LQ, probably because Taylor plays straight while Watts had turned the beat around in the intro.
A miscalculation on Richard's behalve in that case.
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71Tele
Check out the tasty guitars (dare I say "weaving"?) at around 2:40, right before the verse. Not on Ya Yas.
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rocker1
Six of ten songs are vocal overdubs.
There is one possibility of guitar or instrumental overdubbing.
One song and one instrumental track are from Baltimore 11/26/69.
Two instrumental tracks are from 11/27/69.
Two songs and two instrumental tracks are determined to be 11/28/69 1st, by process of elimination.
One song and one instrumental track are from 11/28/69 2nd.
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Taylor's guitar was replaced by Richards on LQ, probably because Taylor plays straight while Watts had turned the beat around in the intro.
A miscalculation on Richard's behalve in that case.
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Taylor's guitar was replaced by Richards on LQ, probably because Taylor plays straight while Watts had turned the beat around in the intro.
A miscalculation on Richard's behalve in that case.
Why, if Charlie turned the beat around?
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Mathijs
Well, if you listen at 0.55 on the video version then you hear Richards and Taylor clash with their timing of the rhythm guitar. Probably because they couldn't hear properly, but Taylor is not on the '1' when Richards is. The fact that Charlie had turned the beat around didn't help either. Once you've heared that Taylor's rhyrhm is replaced, it quite sticks out like a sore thumb there's something really awry with the original version.
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Hasn't this been put through the most intense scrutiny ever, and still we get people who casually toss out how this album is over-dubbed out the yin-yang?
Yes, vocal overdubs abound. I am aware of those. Not talking about those.
But instrumentally, this album is almost unadulterated.
Perhaps there is one possible dub in Carol. But all the other guitar parts--the greats solos in SFTD, etc., are straight from the shows. No instrumental studio enhancement was necessary.
Please, please, please....correct me if I'm wrong.
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Mathijs
Well, if you listen at 0.55 on the video version then you hear Richards and Taylor clash with their timing of the rhythm guitar. Probably because they couldn't hear properly, but Taylor is not on the '1' when Richards is. The fact that Charlie had turned the beat around didn't help either. Once you've heared that Taylor's rhyrhm is replaced, it quite sticks out like a sore thumb there's something really awry with the original version.
Mathijs
We are talking about this version, I presume? I haven't listened to gyyyo for a while.
If not correct me and post the version you're referring too, but there's nothing wrong with the guitars here.
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In my opinion, Taylor was much of a rhythm player, but I think any guitarist trying to add a rhythm guitar to the Richards/Watts tandem in those days would have clashed.
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In my opinion, Taylor was much of a rhythm player, but I think any guitarist trying to add a rhythm guitar to the Richards/Watts tandem in those days would have clashed.
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With the exception of Jimi Hendrix of course.
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In my opinion, Taylor was much of a rhythm player, but I think any guitarist trying to add a rhythm guitar to the Richards/Watts tandem in those days would have clashed.
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With the exception of Jimi Hendrix of course.
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In my opinion, Taylor was much of a rhythm player, but I think any guitarist trying to add a rhythm guitar to the Richards/Watts tandem in those days would have clashed.
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With the exception of Jimi Hendrix of course.
Haha, that was actually a typo -I meant 'wasn't much of a rhythm player'. I really do not like Taylor as a rhythm guitarist.
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In my opinion, Taylor was much of a rhythm player, but I think any guitarist trying to add a rhythm guitar to the Richards/Watts tandem in those days would have clashed.
Mathijs
With the exception of Jimi Hendrix of course.
Haha, that was actually a typo -I meant 'wasn't much of a rhythm player'. I really do not like Taylor as a rhythm guitarist.
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So you've said...many times. I think he was great.
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I can't speak for mathijs but MT's fault was always a tendency to overplay.
This I think is evident even in his rhythm playing. There ain't enough spaces in it !
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I can't speak for mathijs but MT's fault was always a tendency to overplay.
This I think is evident even in his rhythm playing. There ain't enough spaces in it !
no
it sounds just fine; no 'rhythm' overplaying here
great, actually
its funny sometimes MT is criticized for overplaying (ie noodling around on lead too much i guess) which to me sounds like people think he should just be playing straight rhythm, there, instead
and then he's criticized for that, too?
no way, i don't buy that; he's great
i mean Taylor's soloing with Keef doing the rhythm, live, to me WAS the Stones live guitar sound. each to their own. and I like the 69 tour a lot too, just not as much as 1972 (or the 1973 European tour). also, I think Wood wrecked the band's live sound after the 78 tour. i'll leave it at that.