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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

He was drunk and coked up. Brian Jones was kicked out of the band for basically the same reasons. Now I don't want to compare the 6-tees to the 8/9tees....
Let's have Jones-Wood debate, just to keep this interesting conversation going on.

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

He was drunk and coked up. Brian Jones was kicked out of the band for basically the same reasons. Now I don't want to compare the 6-tees to the 8/9tees....
Let's have Jones-Wood debate, just to keep this interesting conversation going on.

Brian quit. Worst case, he didn't have the psyche to stand being freezed out. Ronnie was close to share the same destiny (quitting, that is) in 1981/82, but he could take the bullying, being threated by Keith's blade included

It seems to me, IMHO, that we are goind more and more far from the title of the post, which is "There are no guitar overdubs on Ya-Yas"

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It seems to me, IMHO, that we are goind more and more far from the title of the post, which is "There are no guitar overdubs on Ya-Yas"

Agree, but that question is already answered. There ARE guitar overdubs on Ya Yas

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+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

I loved W.Perkins playing on Black and Blue (H.Mandel was great too).His work for Bob Marley on tracks like Concrete jungle was fantastic.

It must have been really hard for him. He had already lived with Keith for 4 weeks - playing and getting used to hard drugs. Then coming with them to Munich studio as the new Stones guitarplayer.And suddenly it's all over.

But I don't think he would have stayed with them for such a long time and Punk was already luring around the corner.
So reg.image,longevity and zeitgeist they probably made the right decision.
On the other hand they could have done much better albums and music.

Btw. the best HT Woman to me is still the studio version. That was great . .



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I loved W.Perkins playing on Black and Blue (H.Mandel was great too).His work for Bob Marley on tracks like Concrete jungle was fantastic.

It must have been really hard for him. He had already lived with Keith for 4 weeks - playing and getting used to hard drugs. Then coming with them to Munich studio as the new Stones guitarplayer.And suddenly it's all over.

But I don't think he would have stayed with them for such a long time and Punk was already luring around the corner.
So reg.image,longevity and zeitgeist they probably made the right decision.
On the other hand they could have done much better albums and music.

Btw. the best HT Woman to me is still the studio version. That was great . .

They had released GHS and IORR. Then came Black And Blue, Some Girls, ER was so so and Tattoo You was awesome. I think they improved for a while, but then came those horrible 80s...

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!



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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

I always liked the Brussel version too. Esp. Taylors playing at the beginning.Did he play that way on other 73 versions? I don't remember I heard it like that again.

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own



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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

Well, I find Monkey Man, Love In Vain (best version, imo - how can you be bored by that heartfelt slide playing?), Gimmie Shelter, Live With Me (THAT sax!), Country Honk (THAT fiddle!), You Got The Silver and You Can't Always Get What You Want (organ!) fantastic. Midnight Rambler is dragging a bit, but the atmosphere on it is unsurpassable, the fantastic live versions from 75, 73, 89 and 69 included.

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

gimme shelter, monkey man, YGT silver are highlights for me..
Love In Vain has always been boring for me..except during the Taylor-era where Taylor adds his polish.
anything RW-era is completely boring, skip to next track or take a piss.

touching back on the main topic..it is strange the Stones didn't pick the "Breakfast show" JJF as the Ya Ya's track...it has a solo at the end (something Keith tried to do on the acetate), and is a better version that the YAYa's version IMO.
another song which I also think should have made the cut on Ya Ya's is Street Fighting Man from the Gimme Shelter movie. That version is amazing !!!!

as for the overdubs...it's amazing how fussy Keith/Mick are...some of the vocal replacements are simply trying to find "perfection", and the guitar overdubs (minor) are also ridiculous IMO.

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

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I loved W.Perkins playing on Black and Blue (H.Mandel was great too).His work for Bob Marley on tracks like Concrete jungle was fantastic.

It must have been really hard for him. He had already lived with Keith for 4 weeks - playing and getting used to hard drugs. Then coming with them to Munich studio as the new Stones guitarplayer.And suddenly it's all over.

But I don't think he would have stayed with them for such a long time and Punk was already luring around the corner.
So reg.image,longevity and zeitgeist they probably made the right decision.
On the other hand they could have done much better albums and music.

Btw. the best HT Woman to me is still the studio version. That was great . .

They had released GHS and IORR. Then came Black And Blue, Some Girls, ER was so so and Tattoo You was awesome. I think they improved for a while, but then came those horrible 80s...

maybe but Tattoo You was made up of alot of Taylor era songs anyways, outtakes, and whatnot from GHS etc

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

He was drunk and coked up. Brian Jones was kicked out of the band for basically the same reasons. Now I don't want to compare the 6-tees to the 8/9tees....
Let's have Jones-Wood debate, just to keep this interesting conversation going on.

Brian quit. Worst case, he didn't have the psyche to stand being freezed out. Ronnie was close to share the same destiny (quitting, that is) in 1981/82, but he could take the bullying, being threated by Keith's blade included

They should have exchanged him for a jazzy session player after Keith had shown him the blade

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

I don't have anything to add to this, I just love seeing you guys quote each other at insane lengths. One love!

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

I don't have anything to add to this, I just love seeing you guys quote each other at insane lengths. One love!

ha! i was waiting for someone to say that!!!

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I loved W.Perkins playing on Black and Blue (H.Mandel was great too).His work for Bob Marley on tracks like Concrete jungle was fantastic.

It must have been really hard for him. He had already lived with Keith for 4 weeks - playing and getting used to hard drugs. Then coming with them to Munich studio as the new Stones guitarplayer.And suddenly it's all over.

But I don't think he would have stayed with them for such a long time and Punk was already luring around the corner.
So reg.image,longevity and zeitgeist they probably made the right decision.
On the other hand they could have done much better albums and music.

Btw. the best HT Woman to me is still the studio version. That was great . .

They had released GHS and IORR. Then came Black And Blue, Some Girls, ER was so so and Tattoo You was awesome. I think they improved for a while, but then came those horrible 80s...

maybe but Tattoo You was made up of alot of Taylor era songs anyways, outtakes, and whatnot from GHS etc

A lot??

We've got Tops, Waiting On A Friend and...?

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

If you're gonna be such a knitpicker, I'm just gonna have to arrest you, LOL!

Think again, and then let me know again who started the origianal HTW-intro. It sure wasn't Charlie, nor Keith

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

I don't have anything to add to this, I just love seeing you guys quote each other at insane lengths. One love!

ha! i was waiting for someone to say that!!!

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HA! The LYL version is a million times better than the studio version!

+1. Thank you, the LYL version, really the 1975/1976 versions of HTW are the only ones I like.

Agree, but I really liked the Hyde Park version as well. It was rawer than on the 69 tour. The 1973 version is a joke, imo, with the boogie guitar in the intro...

Well, it's a matter of taste. I prefer the version on the released Brussels boot from the archive, especially the beginning of the song.

The studio version is, with all respect and despite the fact that it was one of the songs that definitely sealed my love for the Jones- and Taylor-Stones (on Through The Past, Darkly), just like Brown Sugar (great song) a bit boring. To my taste at least.

Why is bluring the song's forte cool? That intro IS HTW!

And it should have sealed your love for Keith, he does the song!

I didn't talk about the intro, but about the beginning of the Brussels official HTW. Keith starts the usual notes, then Taylor does something unusual I like.

Btw: The intro on the studio version is Charlie. I loved Keith in the beginning because he was an underdog as a guitarist in those days. At least that's the way he sounded. And I love underdogs as you know.

Sorry, I meant the GUITAR INTRO.

Underdog? he was rated as the world's 5th best guitar player in music magazines as early as the mid-60s

PS: The standard boogie Taylor is playing on Keith's guitar intro makes me think more of southern classic rock than the Stones, but each to his/her own

I didn't know about those ratings and they say nothing to me either. My ears told me I heard a simple guitarist and I was right. He's good, but he needs another player to make a song interesting to listen to. As long as the name of that second player isn't Wood of course.

I don't know about southern classic rock and I don't care. It's the Stones playing (they did gospel as well, didn't they?) and I like those guitar screams in combination with Keith's guitar the most as a guitar intro to HTW. A great find that suits the song perfectly (it's not classic rock and roll).

Yeah, like I said: Each to their own.

I hope you agree that Let It Bleed is one of the best albums the Stones ever released?

Who played guitar on it, mostly by himself, and wasn't it indeed interesting?

A screaming standard boogie guitar? That's a new one. However, I'm glad you enjoy it

I love the great songs on Let It Bleed, but the album itself, the way the songs have been performed on it, I don't like that much, except the intro of GS and LIB. Something's missing in the instrumental section. Keith's guitar isn't enough (listen for example to LIV, MR, YCAGWYW). They bore me rather quickly. But live those songs are fantastic (as long as ... well you know the rest).

So, the instrumental section is already there (sax, fiddle, choirs, slide guitars, piano/organ). What you are saying is that you are missing a lead guitar on all those tracks, that's what's lacking to make the songs interesting?

The instrumental section you mention doesn't do the trick for me. Firstly I don't like the sax on LWM (I'm not a fan of the sax in Stones music anyway: superfluous and an annoying sound too), secondly the fiddle on CH is funny, but it has nothing special and thirdly that silly and bad singing choir (I mean the style of singing, not the quality of the choir itself) on YCAGWYW doesn't compensate for the musical things Jones and Taylor added (you didn't hear me complain about BB, BtB, Aftermath, TSMR for instance). So it's not correct to conclude that imo it's only a lead guitar that's the decisive factor. For instance Back Street Girl has no lead guitar, but the accordion lifts that song to a higher level.

I agree about Back Street Girl, though, although is has indeed a lead guitar.

I'm glad you see the humour in the kazoo on Cool, Calm, Collected, though, or else I would have felt sorry for you (YCAGWYW)...

There's no lead guitar on Back Street Girl.

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I didn't say "solo guitar"

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I loved W.Perkins playing on Black and Blue (H.Mandel was great too).His work for Bob Marley on tracks like Concrete jungle was fantastic.

It must have been really hard for him. He had already lived with Keith for 4 weeks - playing and getting used to hard drugs. Then coming with them to Munich studio as the new Stones guitarplayer.And suddenly it's all over.

But I don't think he would have stayed with them for such a long time and Punk was already luring around the corner.
So reg.image,longevity and zeitgeist they probably made the right decision.
On the other hand they could have done much better albums and music.

Btw. the best HT Woman to me is still the studio version. That was great . .

They had released GHS and IORR. Then came Black And Blue, Some Girls, ER was so so and Tattoo You was awesome. I think they improved for a while, but then came those horrible 80s...

maybe but Tattoo You was made up of alot of Taylor era songs anyways, outtakes, and whatnot from GHS etc

A lot??

We've got Tops, Waiting On A Friend and...?

Hey now, 2 is a lot! It's one more than 1!