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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

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That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

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That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

Quitting? The guy was completely broke every couple of years, he needed the touring money badly!

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

Mathijs

That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

He wasn't really turned down in the mix before the B2B-tour.

On shows like Atlantic City 89, he really shines, imo.

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

Mathijs

That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

He wasn't really turned down in the mix before the B2B-tour.

On shows like Atlantic City 89, he really shines, imo.

It depends on the song. Flashpoint clearly gives the impression of one main guitarist and one supportive guitarist who is given a few short solo spots.

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

Mathijs

That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

He wasn't really turned down in the mix before the B2B-tour.

On shows like Atlantic City 89, he really shines, imo.

It depends on the song. Flashpoint clearly gives the impression of one main guitarist and one supportive guitarist who is given a few short solo spots.

Hm, I'm not sure. Listen to Start Me Up, Factory Girl, Rock And A Hard Place and Miss You. That's almost half of the album + that the other songs mainly are songs with less lead guitar from both guitar players.

It's true that Ronnie's solos are shorter and fewer than in the 70s here, but he still plays an important part within the new arrangements Mick probably decided, imo.

Factory Girl must be one of the best live recordings they ever did?

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

Mathijs

That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

He wasn't really turned down in the mix before the B2B-tour.

On shows like Atlantic City 89, he really shines, imo.

It depends on the song. Flashpoint clearly gives the impression of one main guitarist and one supportive guitarist who is given a few short solo spots.

Hm, I'm not sure. Listen to Start Me Up, Factory Girl, Rock And A Hard Place and Miss You. That's almost half of the album + that the other songs mainly are songs with less lead guitar from both guitar players.

It's true that Ronnie's solos are shorter and fewer than in the 70s here, but he still plays an important part within the new arrangements Mick probably decided, imo.

Factory Girl must be one of the best live recordings they ever did?

Wood's part is 1989-90 reduced to a level that "every" professional guitarist could step in with a little rehearsal without the overall sound changing much.

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

Mathijs

That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

He wasn't really turned down in the mix before the B2B-tour.

On shows like Atlantic City 89, he really shines, imo.

It depends on the song. Flashpoint clearly gives the impression of one main guitarist and one supportive guitarist who is given a few short solo spots.

Hm, I'm not sure. Listen to Start Me Up, Factory Girl, Rock And A Hard Place and Miss You. That's almost half of the album + that the other songs mainly are songs with less lead guitar from both guitar players.

It's true that Ronnie's solos are shorter and fewer than in the 70s here, but he still plays an important part within the new arrangements Mick probably decided, imo.

Factory Girl must be one of the best live recordings they ever did?

Wood's part is 1989-90 reduced to a level that "every" professional guitarist could step in with a little rehearsal without the overall sound changing much. That was not the case 1975-1982 when Wood's guitar had an impact on the sound. Factory Girl is btw boring.

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I am in need of a bigger monitor to keep track of these threads.

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I quote you IN PURPOSE ... to say I fully agree with you.
I also wish to say tha a lot of messages have nothing to do with the subject which is the "no guitar overdubs on Ya-Ya".

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I quote you IN PURPOSE ... to say I fully agree with you.
I also wish to say tha a lot of messages have nothing to do with the subject which is the "no guitar overdubs on Ya-Ya".

Everytime there is a discussion concerning Mick Taylor, someone starts talking about Ronnie Wood. Then the thread is going far, far astray.

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I quote you IN PURPOSE ... to say I fully agree with you.
I also wish to say tha a lot of messages have nothing to do with the subject which is the "no guitar overdubs on Ya-Ya".

Everytime there is a discussion concerning Mick Taylor, someone starts talking about Ronnie Wood. Then the thread is going far, far astray.

Which brings up an interesting point that I don't think gets discussed here very much.

Ronnie is better technically than Taylor. What do you all think?

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I also wish to say tha a lot of messages have nothing to do with the subject which is the "no guitar overdubs on Ya-Ya".

Everytime there is a discussion concerning Mick Taylor, someone starts talking about Ronnie Wood. Then the thread is going far, far astray.

Which brings up an interesting point that I don't think gets discussed here very much.

Ronnie is better technically than Taylor. What do you all think?

I think Keith overdubbed Taylor's part, in spite of being inferior technically

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

Mathijs

That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

He wasn't really turned down in the mix before the B2B-tour.

On shows like Atlantic City 89, he really shines, imo.

It depends on the song. Flashpoint clearly gives the impression of one main guitarist and one supportive guitarist who is given a few short solo spots.

Hm, I'm not sure. Listen to Start Me Up, Factory Girl, Rock And A Hard Place and Miss You. That's almost half of the album + that the other songs mainly are songs with less lead guitar from both guitar players.

It's true that Ronnie's solos are shorter and fewer than in the 70s here, but he still plays an important part within the new arrangements Mick probably decided, imo.

Factory Girl must be one of the best live recordings they ever did?

Wood's part is 1989-90 reduced to a level that "every" professional guitarist could step in with a little rehearsal without the overall sound changing much. That was not the case 1975-1982 when Wood's guitar had an impact on the sound. Factory Girl is btw boring.

LOL! Too bad you feel that way.

For me, Wood's guitar there is flawless and suits the song perfectly.

The song is a country masterpiece, imo.

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I quote you IN PURPOSE ... to say I fully agree with you.
I also wish to say tha a lot of messages have nothing to do with the subject which is the "no guitar overdubs on Ya-Ya".

Everytime there is a discussion concerning Mick Taylor, someone starts talking about Ronnie Wood. Then the thread is going far, far astray.

Which brings up an interesting point that I don't think gets discussed here very much.

Ronnie is better technically than Taylor. What do you all think?

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What is the cause and what is the effect about Wood in the 90's? Was he low in the mix because he played bad, or did he play bad (which he didn't do all the time btw) because he was only given a minor role musically? Even in 89-90 he was sometimes barely audible despite him playing well.

He was mainly drunk, hence he was turned way down in the mix.

But was he drunk in 89-90 also? Wasn't he turned down because the band for other reasons in SW abandoned the dual guitar attack approach?

Not drunk. The band just took a different approach in '89, basically on Jagger's assistance. Less guitars, more piano's, synths, backup singers and brass. It basically is an extension to what Jagger started with his '88 solo tours.

Mathijs

That was my point. It's understandable that this diminished role for Wood also affected his inspiration and willingness to stay (more) sober during the upcoming tours. Basically it's Jagger who should be critizised for not utlizing "his" musicians, while Wood shuld be praised for not quitting despite being turned down.

He wasn't really turned down in the mix before the B2B-tour.

On shows like Atlantic City 89, he really shines, imo.

It depends on the song. Flashpoint clearly gives the impression of one main guitarist and one supportive guitarist who is given a few short solo spots.

Hm, I'm not sure. Listen to Start Me Up, Factory Girl, Rock And A Hard Place and Miss You. That's almost half of the album + that the other songs mainly are songs with less lead guitar from both guitar players.

It's true that Ronnie's solos are shorter and fewer than in the 70s here, but he still plays an important part within the new arrangements Mick probably decided, imo.

Factory Girl must be one of the best live recordings they ever did?

Wood's part is 1989-90 reduced to a level that "every" professional guitarist could step in with a little rehearsal without the overall sound changing much. That was not the case 1975-1982 when Wood's guitar had an impact on the sound. Factory Girl is btw boring.

LOL! Too bad you feel that way.

For me, Wood's guitar there is flawless and suits the song perfectly.

The song is a country masterpiece, imo.

The song is a mess on Flashpoint. The groove doesn't work in FG for some reason, which actually happen in 89-90 even with BW on bass. And Mick doesn't sing well.

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Can't remember what was the general consensus re the ya ya's bonus tracks: I can't spot any overdub, right?

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No, hm, what about Charlie's cymbals on Prodical Son?

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No, hm, what about Charlie's cymbals on Prodical Son?

I remember something about it, but is the overdub confirmed?

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