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You Rock n Roll
...not as diverse as Wild horses,SFTD or Hot Stuff? Give me a eF'n break! That's called selective hearing my friend.
I think you are confusing speed with diversity. Stairway and Rock n Roll aren't two different genres of music my friend. One is obviously a slower song.
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The Stones diversity is different than that of Zeppelin's.
The Stones always seemed to naturally flow into their various genres, whereas Zeppelin seemed to make the effort. That's not an insult to Zeppelin or even a compliment towards the Stones. It may even be perceived as an insult to the Stones and a compliment to Zeppelin, depending on how you look at it.
The Stones had a way of always sounding like the Stones. The songs would be different in genre or style, but there was always this Stones thing going on. Very much like when Elvis would nail various genres. He never struggled with different genres, but it always felt like an Elvis song.
The Stones and Elvis would do a song that was R&B but still could be Pop, or Pop that could still be considered by some as Rock or R&B, or R&B that had a more straight Blues feel, or Country that bordered on Blues or Blues that bordered on Country or Country that bordered on Folk.
I honestly don't feel that Zeppelin sounds like the same band at all when they ventured into various fields. Their Blues songs sounded like straight Blues and nothing else. Their Rock and Roll sounded like straight Rock, their Folk sounded like pure Folk. The Progressive music sounded like nothing anyone else was doing at the time. Their musical arrangements were so unique and creative, that it doesn't have a pure Zeppelin vibe all the time. You mentioned not getting speed mixed up so I'll use similar tempos to compare. Compare "That's the Way" with "The Rain Song", "Kashmir" with "What is and What Should Never Be,
"Bron Y-Aur Stomp" with "Four Sticks", "Since I've Been Loving You" with "The Battle of Evermore", "No Quarter" with "Thank You", "D'yer Mak'er" with "Hot Dog" "In the Light" with "Fool in the Rain" "Achilles Last Stand" with "The Lemon Song" "Black Dog" with "In The Evening" "Down by the Seaside" with "Tangerine" "The Song Remains the same" with "Communication Breakdown" "Ramble On" with "Friends", "Hots on for Nowhere" with "Rock and Roll", "Night Flight" with "Heartbreaker", Stairway to Heaven with "Ten Years Gone"
The Stones music always felt like the Stones. I think Jimmy Page and JPJ's various arrangements and instrumentation, really made Zeppelin diverse in a way where that was their intent. Whereas with the Stones they just sort of always bordered on other genres, even in their traditional Pop Rock tracks. But that's what Rock and Roll always was from the start, a fusion of many genres. Zeppelin was more complex and took it beyond the natural state.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2015-06-12 03:59 by pricepittsburgh.
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Jimmy Page Previews Final Zeppelin Reissues, Closes Band Vault
"As far as the studio side of things [goes], this is it," the guitarist says
By Mark Sutherland June 16, 2015
Reissues
Jimmy Page slammed the door of the Led Zeppelin vaults shut as he launched the final round of the band's album reissues in London today.
The deluxe editions of Zeppelin's final three studio albums – Presence, In Through the Out Door and Coda – feature a wealth of previously unreleased material. Highlights include "Sugar Mama," a song initially recorded during sessions for the band's 1969 self-titled debut, and "St. Tristan's Sword," an instrumental recorded during the Led Zeppelin III sessions.
"As far as the studio side of things [goes], this is it," the guitarist said at a press conference in the former Olympic Studios in Barnes, West London. "Unless something might pop up on international Record [Store] Day or something like that. But it will be a long way off."
Today's event was the fourth playback/Q&A session for the series of reissues, and Page expressed his "jubilation" at finally finishing the project, which involved an exhaustive three-year trawl through the archives.
"There were hundreds of hours of listening to set all of this up," he noted. "I'm really thrilled because what it means for Led Zeppelin fans is that there's now twice as much information as there was before, and it's of really good quality. So as far as I'm concerned, I've done my job."
There remains a wealth of live Zeppelin material without an official release, but Page said the prevalence of live bootlegs meant a project on the scale of the studio reissues wasn't needed.
"Looking at the whole bootleg scene and knowing how much live material had already come out, and pretty good stuff at that, dealing with the studio outtakes seemed to be a more satisfying project," he said. "I knew the chronology and the quality of what was going to turn up so I could really visualize it a lot easier than all the [live] bootlegs that are out there. This is what needed to be done – the whole Led Zeppelin world in the studio needed to be dealt with properly and seriously."
Page plans to return to active guitar playing, once promotion for the reissues is out of the way.
"I won't take it easy," he said. "I'll be working on the guitar now, that's the next thing to be obsessive about. It's clear what I'm going to be doing next; I want to do something, which involves being seen to play the guitar. It goes without saying that I would like to be doing a guitar project – I mean, better doing that than a violin project!"
Page also revealed that his and frontman Robert Plant's legendary 1972 sessions with the Bombay Orchestra, tracks from which are included on the Coda companion disc, had initially been a test run for a "masterplan" for Zeppelin to make recording and touring stops across the planet on its way to Australia.
"I could see a way where we could stop in Cairo and play and record with the orchestras there," he said. "And we could also have recorded in India if we could play in Mumbai at the cricket ground there, and then continue on to Australia. It was a great idea – the only thing was there was no infrastructure to do this sort of thing."
Page said that, consequently, the Police became the first major western rock band to play live in India, some 12 years later. Despite such reminiscing, however, Page insisted he no longer misses his old band.
"I haven't been missing it for the last three years because I've been involved from [2012 live album/DVD] Celebration Day all the way through [to this]," he said. "So no, it's OK, it's fine."
The final set of deluxe reissues will be released July 31st.
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I will see Robert Plant this Thursday. First time for me. I am sure some people here saw him recently, so I wanted to ask what time the show starts (it says 8 p.m. on the ticket) and is there any support band? And how long is the show? I see he is doing a lot of festivals now, but this one is not a festival.
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Jimmy Page Previews Final Zeppelin Reissues, Closes Band Vault
"As far as the studio side of things [goes], this is it," the guitarist says
By Mark Sutherland June 16, 2015
Reissues
Jimmy Page slammed the door of the Led Zeppelin vaults shut as he launched the final round of the band's album reissues in London today.
The deluxe editions of Zeppelin's final three studio albums – Presence, In Through the Out Door and Coda – feature a wealth of previously unreleased material. Highlights include "Sugar Mama," a song initially recorded during sessions for the band's 1969 self-titled debut, and "St. Tristan's Sword," an instrumental recorded during the Led Zeppelin III sessions.
"As far as the studio side of things [goes], this is it," the guitarist said at a press conference in the former Olympic Studios in Barnes, West London. "Unless something might pop up on international Record [Store] Day or something like that. But it will be a long way off."
Today's event was the fourth playback/Q&A session for the series of reissues, and Page expressed his "jubilation" at finally finishing the project, which involved an exhaustive three-year trawl through the archives.
"There were hundreds of hours of listening to set all of this up," he noted. "I'm really thrilled because what it means for Led Zeppelin fans is that there's now twice as much information as there was before, and it's of really good quality. So as far as I'm concerned, I've done my job."
There remains a wealth of live Zeppelin material without an official release, but Page said the prevalence of live bootlegs meant a project on the scale of the studio reissues wasn't needed.
"Looking at the whole bootleg scene and knowing how much live material had already come out, and pretty good stuff at that, dealing with the studio outtakes seemed to be a more satisfying project," he said. "I knew the chronology and the quality of what was going to turn up so I could really visualize it a lot easier than all the [live] bootlegs that are out there. This is what needed to be done – the whole Led Zeppelin world in the studio needed to be dealt with properly and seriously."
Page plans to return to active guitar playing, once promotion for the reissues is out of the way.
"I won't take it easy," he said. "I'll be working on the guitar now, that's the next thing to be obsessive about. It's clear what I'm going to be doing next; I want to do something, which involves being seen to play the guitar. It goes without saying that I would like to be doing a guitar project – I mean, better doing that than a violin project!"
Page also revealed that his and frontman Robert Plant's legendary 1972 sessions with the Bombay Orchestra, tracks from which are included on the Coda companion disc, had initially been a test run for a "masterplan" for Zeppelin to make recording and touring stops across the planet on its way to Australia.
"I could see a way where we could stop in Cairo and play and record with the orchestras there," he said. "And we could also have recorded in India if we could play in Mumbai at the cricket ground there, and then continue on to Australia. It was a great idea – the only thing was there was no infrastructure to do this sort of thing."
Page said that, consequently, the Police became the first major western rock band to play live in India, some 12 years later. Despite such reminiscing, however, Page insisted he no longer misses his old band.
"I haven't been missing it for the last three years because I've been involved from [2012 live album/DVD] Celebration Day all the way through [to this]," he said. "So no, it's OK, it's fine."
The final set of deluxe reissues will be released July 31st.
What a heap of shite as any avid Zepp fan and bootleg collector will attest. There is still so much left in the archives that hasn't been officially released - loads more demos, live gigs, videos of complete shows in Seattle in 77, Knebworth both shows in 79 plus both Earl's Ct shows.
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Both bands were over and done with by the end of the decade.
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On record LZ slowly and steadily declined until "Coda" was the final nail in the coffin. The Stones gave us SG and Tattoo You which are superb discs.
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My personal opinions about each band's accomplishments:
--Zeppelin I through PHYSICAL GRAFFITTI is a six-album run unequaled in rock history
--BEGGARS through EXILE is the greatest 4-album run in rock history
Both bands were over and done with by the end of the decade.
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On record LZ slowly and steadily declined until "Coda" was the final nail in the coffin. The Stones gave us SG and Tattoo You which are superb discs.
During the Stones 10 year post-Exile decline they made decent albums and got a second wind with Some Girls. Zeps post-PG decline was steep and rapid - one weak album followed by a bad one and done.
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Both bands were over and done with by the end of the decade.
Errr no live LZ were pretty much done by 75 while the Stones were frantically good until 82.
On record LZ slowly and steadily declined until "Coda" was the final nail in the coffin. The Stones gave us SG and Tattoo You which are superb discs.
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Both bands were over and done with by the end of the decade.
Errr no live LZ were pretty much done by 75 while the Stones were frantically good until 82.
On record LZ slowly and steadily declined until "Coda" was the final nail in the coffin. The Stones gave us SG and Tattoo You which are superb discs.
I thought SG was released in 78 and that TY was recorded during the 70's.
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My personal opinions about each band's accomplishments:
--Zeppelin I through PHYSICAL GRAFFITTI is a six-album run unequaled in rock history
--BEGGARS through EXILE is the greatest 4-album run in rock history
Both bands were over and done with by the end of the decade.
hmm I don't agree that I or III are great ablums , some great songs but too uneven to be considered great.
And I strongly disagree that the Stones were done by the end of the 70's.
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The Stones always seemed to naturally flow into their various genres, whereas Zeppelin seemed to make the effort.
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LongBeachArena72
My personal opinions about each band's accomplishments:
--Zeppelin I through PHYSICAL GRAFFITTI is a six-album run unequaled in rock history
--BEGGARS through EXILE is the greatest 4-album run in rock history
Both bands were over and done with by the end of the decade.
hmm I don't agree that I or III are great ablums , some great songs but too uneven to be considered great.
And I strongly disagree that the Stones were done by the end of the 70's.
LZ1, LZ3 are pretty damn good albums, with 1 bordering on great and 3 has been upgraded to great over the years critically and by Zep fans.
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My personal opinions about each band's accomplishments:
--Zeppelin I through PHYSICAL GRAFFITTI is a six-album run unequaled in rock history
--BEGGARS through EXILE is the greatest 4-album run in rock history
Both bands were over and done with by the end of the decade.
hmm I don't agree that I or III are great ablums , some great songs but too uneven to be considered great.
And I strongly disagree that the Stones were done by the end of the 70's.
LZ1, LZ3 are pretty damn good albums, with 1 bordering on great and 3 has been upgraded to great over the years critically and by Zep fans.
I've always looked at the quality of the albums released by the classic rock groups (once it is established that they're 'great') from the perspective of how the group evolved (via the albums)...so while they may not all be great albums they're at least interesting to listen to.
LZ III is a good example. To me it is a bridge album between the successful LZ II & LZ lV.
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The problme for me is LZ's ventures into other genres often sound like a heavy-handed parody : to me the reggae-ish Dy'er Maker always sounded like a bad dull and boring reggae spoof.
Otoh I'd be hard-pressed to say the sublime "Wild Horses" is a parody of the country genre.
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The Stones always seemed to naturally flow into their various genres, whereas Zeppelin seemed to make the effort.
The problme for me is LZ's ventures into other genres often sound like a heavy-handed parody : to me the reggae-ish Dy'er Maker always sounded like a bad dull and boring reggae spoof.
Otoh I'd be hard-pressed to say the sublime "Wild Horses" is a parody of the country genre.
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Yeah but it has "tongue-in-cheek" written all over it.
When LZ wrote "Dy'er Maker" they wanted to pay tribute to the reggae genre and they came up with this horrible silly parody of a song. I mean Bonham playing reggae, you can't help but laugh.
Same for "The Crunge" which sounds like someone trying to play a bunch of James Brown licks. Another sad parody that only makes you want to go back to the originals...