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Stonesfan2146
There is existing a great tape of the pre-version of this song, called Cried Out. Great tune from the licks Sessions.
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Rocky Dijon
Thanks, Skippy!
You're just sour because I suggested you and StonesTod were one and the same...or something.
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Rocky Dijon
My apologies, treaclestone. I thought you were the former Skipstone. Did you have a previous username on iorr?
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Rocky Dijon
My apologies, treaclestone. I thought you were the former Skipstone. Did you have a previous username on iorr?
With no new LP out the air gets kind of thin sometimes...
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drewmaster
Well, thanks to Rocky Dijon and GivenToFly15, I am now savoring - like a fine cigar - the early version of LIND, called "Cried Out" ... and it is marvelous. Anyone who digs LIND should give it a listen. Link is below.
Drew
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drewmaster
Well, thanks to Rocky Dijon and GivenToFly15, I am now savoring - like a fine cigar - the early version of LIND, called "Cried Out" ... and it is marvelous. Anyone who digs LIND should give it a listen. Link is below.
Drew
Drew, yes that is the track with prominent electric piano where Jagger sings well. But this more than anything drives home my point about LIND, and why it leaves me empty. Because if anything this jam sounds like "Hearts for Sale".
Jagger can do this type song in his sleep. So there is not much challenge as a listener for me.
Now to counter my very own argument, I have to say that often recycled Jagger is still pretty f*ckin good.
I was just having a similar converse at the bar the other night. We were talking about how in a way the latest Tom Waits and Lucinda Williams albums have not been all that spectacular. And that is through no fault of their own. They have hit such a hi plateau, that they sort of float up there now. While new albums are not a big departure from the one before, it is still at such a high level.
yes, there's only 12 notes, and one could make a case to take absolutely all the fun out of it, and say It is all the same thing over and over LOL. And I don't subscribe to that notion at all. We have the Blues, and R&B, and Country, and and it is all steeped in there. as it should be. But within this there are a million little deviations, and possibilities, and discoveries. And then there is just the spirit itself, that comes through no matter what. I mean, to me it is never about notes, or scales etc; just about what comes from the heart. James Brown used I think one note throughout his entire career, and saved one other for "the bridge".Quote
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drewmaster
Well, thanks to Rocky Dijon and GivenToFly15, I am now savoring - like a fine cigar - the early version of LIND, called "Cried Out" ... and it is marvelous. Anyone who digs LIND should give it a listen. Link is below.
Drew
Drew, yes that is the track with prominent electric piano where Jagger sings well. But this more than anything drives home my point about LIND, and why it leaves me empty. Because if anything this jam sounds like "Hearts for Sale".
Jagger can do this type song in his sleep. So there is not much challenge as a listener for me.
Now to counter my very own argument, I have to say that often recycled Jagger is still pretty f*ckin good.
I was just having a similar converse at the bar the other night. We were talking about how in a way the latest Tom Waits and Lucinda Williams albums have not been all that spectacular. And that is through no fault of their own. They have hit such a hi plateau, that they sort of float up there now. While new albums are not a big departure from the one before, it is still at such a high level.
Palace, a lot of food for thought in what you wrote. It raises questions such as, do we necessarily want all music to challenge us? Or does some music, as familiar as it may sound, deserve acclaim just because it so expertly crafted? I enjoy "Cried Out" because of how brilliantly it is crafted (i.e., written and performed), but whether it is "recycled" is a whole different question. To the earlier point someone made, that some critics in the 60s were saying that JJF recycled Satisfaction, I would take the view that there is, ultimately, nothing new under the sun.
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Palace Revolution 2000yes, there's only 12 notes, and one could make a case to take absolutely all the fun out of it, and say It is all the same thing over and over LOL. And I don't subscribe to that notion at all. We have the Blues, and R&B, and Country, and and it is all steeped in there. as it should be. But within this there are a million little deviations, and possibilities, and discoveries. And then there is just the spirit itself, that comes through no matter what. I mean, to me it is never about notes, or scales etc; just about what comes from the heart. James Brown used I think one note throughout his entire career, and saved one other for "the bridge".Quote
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drewmaster
Well, thanks to Rocky Dijon and GivenToFly15, I am now savoring - like a fine cigar - the early version of LIND, called "Cried Out" ... and it is marvelous. Anyone who digs LIND should give it a listen. Link is below.
Drew
Drew, yes that is the track with prominent electric piano where Jagger sings well. But this more than anything drives home my point about LIND, and why it leaves me empty. Because if anything this jam sounds like "Hearts for Sale".
Jagger can do this type song in his sleep. So there is not much challenge as a listener for me.
Now to counter my very own argument, I have to say that often recycled Jagger is still pretty f*ckin good.
I was just having a similar converse at the bar the other night. We were talking about how in a way the latest Tom Waits and Lucinda Williams albums have not been all that spectacular. And that is through no fault of their own. They have hit such a hi plateau, that they sort of float up there now. While new albums are not a big departure from the one before, it is still at such a high level.
Palace, a lot of food for thought in what you wrote. It raises questions such as, do we necessarily want all music to challenge us? Or does some music, as familiar as it may sound, deserve acclaim just because it so expertly crafted? I enjoy "Cried Out" because of how brilliantly it is crafted (i.e., written and performed), but whether it is "recycled" is a whole different question. To the earlier point someone made, that some critics in the 60s were saying that JJF recycled Satisfaction, I would take the view that there is, ultimately, nothing new under the sun.
Drew
It is this particular song and delivery by Jagger that I'm talking about though. And this is just my opinion but there is something lazy about it. in LIND the lyrics too.
and if you have time; do compare the outtake to 'Hearts for Sale".
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peoplewitheyes
I think people are forgetting that Cried Out is just a rough sketch of a song, not complete at all. The lyrics just seem to be some basic ideas that Jaggs had and was playing around with.
It is very clear to me though, that a lot of the feel and motifs became regurgitated as LIND
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DandelionPowderman
It's not the same song.
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It's not the same song.
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020513A 13th May - 7th June: THE ROLLING STONES. Suresnes (near Paris),
France, Studio Guillaume Tell. Producers: The Glimmer Twins & Don Was.
Sound engineer: Ed Cherney. Recording sessions for the upcoming album ’40
Licks‘. Additional musicians: Chuck Leavell (keyb), Darryl Jones (bass), Blondie
Chaplin (perc). Incl.
- Cried Out (MJ/KR) -embryonic version of Laugh, I Nearly Died
- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop V (MJ/KR) -call out hook
- Dreams (MJ/KR)
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because I (MJ/KR) -early version of KR's Trouble
- Just Because II (MJ/KR) -second early version, under title Because?
- Keys To Your Love I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Keys To Your Love II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is A Test (MJ/KR)
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste )
-unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VI (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- U Don't Wanna (MJ/KR)
- Well Well (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name (MJ/KR?)
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal ("You Better Leave That Man Alone")
+ some more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)
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DandelionPowderman
An embryo is seldom more refined than the final product.
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DandelionPowderman
It's not the same song.
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Rocky Dijon
Well that and one too many concussions and a subdural hematoma I've ignored. And me without a palm tree, too.
And hello, Gaslight, you'd think I would have remembered without you throwing hints in my general direction.
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DandelionPowderman
An embryo is seldom more refined than the final product.
Is it really even a track before it's mixed or just a formless jam? Maybe you've stumbled upon the debate over the new album, Bard. Life begins at final mix and not at the demo stage. We need to ratify this as law. Bjornulf, can we get an IORR mandate?