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Rokyfanhe was a junkie for many years after 78, Toronto, etc. As a lot of people have noted, he continued to use coke until a few years ago and, what would you call someone who has managed, at the urging of his family, to cut back on his drinking to only 2 or 3 a day? An alcoholic who has things under control?Quote
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Redhotcarpetwell that aint true cause there are many sources including Keith who say 1980. They never say how but its a fact he used methadone. Dr meg didnt cure him, cool story though. I wonder if he had relapses in the 80s as well. Bockris seems to hint thatQuote
mahituna
in his book he went cold turkey for good in may 1978. He said he had a brief replase and that was it. In his book he never mentions using it again.
He was not ON Methadone, but had a relapse - taking methadone together with Jim Carrol, before Carrol´s NYC gig in 1980.
Two or three drinks a day is fine, if his doctor's are OK with it. That would be too much for some, I couldn't handle it, but for someone like Keith who has a high tolerence, I imagine it's like a half a glass would be for me. All you have to do is look at him now to see that he's clear-headed and sober. Keith looks the best he has in years, he's obviously doing something right. It may have taken him a long time, but he appears to have gotten over his addictions, at least the worst of them, and he should be commended for that. Hopefully he is grateful to all the people in his life who love him and have supported him over the years.
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Rokyfanhe was a junkie for many years after 78, Toronto, etc. As a lot of people have noted, he continued to use coke until a few years ago and, what would you call someone who has managed, at the urging of his family, to cut back on his drinking to only 2 or 3 a day? An alcoholic who has things under control?Quote
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Redhotcarpetwell that aint true cause there are many sources including Keith who say 1980. They never say how but its a fact he used methadone. Dr meg didnt cure him, cool story though. I wonder if he had relapses in the 80s as well. Bockris seems to hint thatQuote
mahituna
in his book he went cold turkey for good in may 1978. He said he had a brief replase and that was it. In his book he never mentions using it again.
He was not ON Methadone, but had a relapse - taking methadone together with Jim Carrol, before Carrol´s NYC gig in 1980.
Two or three drinks a day is fine, if his doctor's are OK with it. That would be too much for some, I couldn't handle it, but for someone like Keith who has a high tolerence, I imagine it's like a half a glass would be for me. All you have to do is look at him now to see that he's clear-headed and sober. Keith looks the best he has in years, he's obviously doing something right. It may have taken him a long time, but he appears to have gotten over his addictions, at least the worst of them, and he should be commended for that. Hopefully he is grateful to all the people in his life who love him and have supported him over the years.
He has also gained weight after ABB tour which may indicate that at least he is not using drugs anymore.
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Thrylan
Or both?
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The Sicilian
Has he ever said who first turned him on to heroin and when?
What about Charlie, how long was his bender and when?
It just seems to have been something the rock fraternity was turned on to at the time. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithfull relates the progression of the London scene from soft to hard drugs. At first in the mid-60s, everyone was delighted with weed, what with the UK having been mainly a pills and booze culture up to that point, but then the high was not so much after a while of getting used to it, so cocaine was added to the mix and then heroin by '67 or so.
With Keith it wasn't like it was with Ginger Baker meeting musician hero Phil Seaman for the first time and all of a sudden being exposed to the ritual habits of a junkie, it was just there, everywhere around him after a certain point in time.
Charlie, he did his thing in the 80s--luckily when The Stones weren't touring. Besides heroin, there were also amphetamines and alcohol. This was from Undercover right through Dirty Work, '83 to '86 or so.
Though it seems Charlie, being from a jazz background, was likely the first member of the band to experiment, as there are accounts in the literature of him turning up one time at Edith Grove to share a spliff he rolled.
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The Sicilian
Has he ever said who first turned him on to heroin and when?
What about Charlie, how long was his bender and when?
It just seems to have been something the rock fraternity was turned on to at the time. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithfull relates the progression of the London scene from soft to hard drugs. At first in the mid-60s, everyone was delighted with weed, what with the UK having been mainly a pills and booze culture up to that point, but then the high was not so much after a while of getting used to it, so cocaine was added to the mix and then heroin by '67 or so.
With Keith it wasn't like it was with Ginger Baker meeting musician hero Phil Seaman for the first time and all of a sudden being exposed to the ritual habits of a junkie, it was just there, everywhere around him after a certain point in time.
Charlie, he did his thing in the 80s--luckily when The Stones weren't touring. Besides heroin, there were also amphetamines and alcohol. This was from Undercover right through Dirty Work, '83 to '86 or so.
Though it seems Charlie, being from a jazz background, was likely the first member of the band to experiment, as there are accounts in the literature of him turning up one time at Edith Grove to share a spliff he rolled.
Charlie started using smack during Some Girls (1977).
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Thrylan
For users, the sober life is a bore
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Thrylan
For users, the sober life is a bore
Hey that's the very definition of life : boring with rare moments of greatness.
If one can't accept this and needs substances to live through the day well... he/she's still a child.
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stonesdan60
After the big Toronto bust Keith used some sort of "black box" treatment where electrodes were clipped to his ears, somehow transmitting electronic signals that reduced the withdrawals and cravings.
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NWSooner
For whatever it's worth this long time IORR follower but rare poster finds it very interesting that not much is ever said about Patti's Christian heritage and faith, not only hers but most of her families as well. I for one would credit this first and foremost as to how Keith was able to get sober regardless of when it occurred. When you live with someone who genuinely tries to follow, worship and serve Christ it will definitely have some sort of an impact. And I'm not talking about the "BIBLE THUMPERS" standing outside of the concert venue screaming hypocrisy at people like a raving lunatic, I doubt most of those people are even Christians! And yes I know Keith at least as far as I've ever read has never said anything about whether or not he is a believer, but then again who as a famous musician ever would after the way Dylan was hounded and harassed after his 3 Christian records and no Dylan did not renounce his faith at least in my opinion. I know there are other IORR's that follow CHrist & I'd like to hear from them, please!
Cheers my friends,
NWSooner
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The Sicilian
Has he ever said who first turned him on to heroin and when?
What about Charlie, how long was his bender and when?
It just seems to have been something the rock fraternity was turned on to at the time. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithfull relates the progression of the London scene from soft to hard drugs. At first in the mid-60s, everyone was delighted with weed, what with the UK having been mainly a pills and booze culture up to that point, but then the high was not so much after a while of getting used to it, so cocaine was added to the mix and then heroin by '67 or so.
With Keith it wasn't like it was with Ginger Baker meeting musician hero Phil Seaman for the first time and all of a sudden being exposed to the ritual habits of a junkie, it was just there, everywhere around him after a certain point in time.
Charlie, he did his thing in the 80s--luckily when The Stones weren't touring. Besides heroin, there were also amphetamines and alcohol. This was from Undercover right through Dirty Work, '83 to '86 or so.
Though it seems Charlie, being from a jazz background, was likely the first member of the band to experiment, as there are accounts in the literature of him turning up one time at Edith Grove to share a spliff he rolled.
Charlie started using smack during Some Girls (1977).
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Redhotcarpet
Since he was on it before Toronto 1997 and in pretty bad shape its likely he used again, not just once or twice. I understand it as he had a relapse and then quit sometime later, when I dont know. I know it doesnt mean anything but he did have those heroin eyes for a while in the late 90s. He seems very different from 1995.
Yeah, that's what we're referring to. He said someone scored some and he had a taste, but only got a case of the itches from it.Quote
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Didn't he admit to trying it again on the Bridges Tour but didn't enjoy it anymore? Read that somewhere...
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NWSooner
For whatever it's worth this long time IORR follower but rare poster finds it very interesting that not much is ever said about Patti's Christian heritage and faith, not only hers but most of her families as well. I for one would credit this first and foremost as to how Keith was able to get sober regardless of when it occurred. When you live with someone who genuinely tries to follow, worship and serve Christ it will definitely have some sort of an impact. And I'm not talking about the "BIBLE THUMPERS" standing outside of the concert venue screaming hypocrisy at people like a raving lunatic, I doubt most of those people are even Christians! And yes I know Keith at least as far as I've ever read has never said anything about whether or not he is a believer, but then again who as a famous musician ever would after the way Dylan was hounded and harassed after his 3 Christian records and no Dylan did not renounce his faith at least in my opinion. I know there are other IORR's that follow CHrist & I'd like to hear from them, please!
Cheers my friends,
NWSooner
I'm pretty sure Keith is a point blank Atheist, much to Patti's frustration but it's a testament to the strength of their relationship that they get over this. The story I always read is that his manager, Jane Rose told him bluntly that he had to choose between music and drugs. That said, there's no doubt that Patti is a rock in his life, whatever her personal beliefs.
Btw, as a rare poster, you should know that Bjornulf's rules are that Politics and Religion are a strict no-no on this site and that's as much as I'm going to say.
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jlowe
What does 'heroin chic' actually mean? Surely we are so much more aware that drugs aint cool and are best avoided totally. George Michael's untimely death are a reminder of the dangers of excessive use of drink/drugs. That's why I can never understand how Keith can be described as 'cool'.
Did Jane Rose really say it was a choice between drugs and music?. Only a Manager would say that! Family, parents, band members, friends of lesser importance?
On the subject of Keith's alcoholism it always surprises me that in books or general media and interviews its always drugs that still get mentioned but very little reference to booze....despite the huge proven dangers to one's physical health.
Keith probably has reduced his alcohol intake...no constitution would survive the constant abuse to the body, all medical experts agree on that one. Keith is not Superman!