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DragonSky
There's a distinctness to his current voice over the 1978 voice - back then he was a bit more lazy sounding, had a way of dragging the words out more without so much pronunciation of things; now he is very sharp about that, almost to the point of overdoing it to be so precise.
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...I think what your really saying is that in 1978 Mick would have released it very tongue in cheek more like a parody....sort of like the original whereas now he automatically censors himself....I think he's even admitted that he censors himself now....wouldn't it be nice to turn back that clock....for everybody....
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...I think what your really saying is that in 1978 Mick would have released it very tongue in cheek more like a parody....sort of like the original whereas now he automatically censors himself....I think he's even admitted that he censors himself now....wouldn't it be nice to turn back that clock....for everybody....
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StonesTod
i think what confuses me is whether they er-erased the original vocal before they re-recorded a new one. or something.
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Honestman
I've been waitin' for an official release of all these Paris Outtakes since years...
So I should be glad with'em but in this case, for "No Spare Parts" I' m a bit dissapointed. I was so used to the bootleg version that finally isn't it too late now to listen to the real (fake vocals) one ???
I mean if "No Spare Parts" has been released 5 or 6 years later after its release , I for sure should have not the same feeling. We're in 2011 and Sir Mick JAGGER has this new voice.
I don't like the way he sing it,and mainly, he miss the thing. In the bootleg version, there was a bit of lazyness, of fun and that was what I like in it. In this 2011 version, the way he sing is far too serious. Just my thoughts
Hope we'll get some good surprise with the rest anyway.
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...I think what your really saying is that in 1978 Mick would have released it very tongue in cheek more like a parody....sort of like the original whereas now he automatically censors himself....I think he's even admitted that he censors himself now....wouldn't it be nice to turn back that clock....for everybody....
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...I think what your really saying is that in 1978 Mick would have released it very tongue in cheek more like a parody....sort of like the original whereas now he automatically censors himself....I think he's even admitted that he censors himself now....wouldn't it be nice to turn back that clock....for everybody....
I think you raise a great point and that is the self-consciousness that entered the Stones music around the time of IORR and slowly evolved to where it is now on latter day releases like ABB and the EOMS bonus tracks, as well as No Spare Parts. A lot of thinking as well as over enunciating, though to a lesser degree on No Spare Parts single.
That mindset even goes to how Jagger approaches these extra CD's, as if each are their own Tattoo You. He overthinks the concept of bonus tracks on these re-releases then his perfectionist tendencies get the best of him making Jagger create almost new tracks from these odds and sods lying about in the vaults.
But in the process destroying much of the ragged charm that made them "unreleased treasures" by trying to turn them into something they're not. It's interesting to see him re-visit history and then try to turn it into current day. It did work for Tattoo You, partially because the gap in years between release in songs was much narrower. However, the results, at best, were mixed on the EOMS bonus material and it seems the bonus disc of SG might end up being more than the same.
His voice is still a powerful instrument but not as powerful as in 1978. 2011 Jagger sounds fine on NSP but if he uses that voice for songs like "I Can't Help It" or "Claudine" the results will not be as favorable. Remarkable voice even now but painting the voice of a 68 year old man into a scene of thirtysomethings is an exercise in absurdity, that in many ways, however unintentional, disrespects both the fans and the band's legacy.
But, I'm still glad they're doing these bonus discs however if he continues doing so much new vocal work, and the re-issues continue over the next 3-5 years the results will be increasingly unsatisfying. No matter how talented and how much Mick "still got it" the voice of a 70 year old is no match for one a quarter century or more his junior. Sometimes it's like Mick is trying to compete vocally with himself, that is somewhat odd not to mention futile because 21st century Mick's voice is no match for his younger self's voice. Yet, it's almost like he thinks-that aside from the obvious age-factor and it's effect on his vocal power and range-he's a better "singer" today-in the traditional sense. Almost trying to prove he still has it, when that isn't really necessary at all.
I'm not saying release these songs as is or to forget them all together just examining that the way he approaches these re-issues creates some interesting contradictions and paradoxes.
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...I think what your really saying is that in 1978 Mick would have released it very tongue in cheek more like a parody....sort of like the original whereas now he automatically censors himself....I think he's even admitted that he censors himself now....wouldn't it be nice to turn back that clock....for everybody....
I think you raise a great point and that is the self-consciousness that entered the Stones music around the time of IORR and slowly evolved to where it is now on latter day releases like ABB and the EOMS bonus tracks, as well as No Spare Parts. A lot of thinking as well as over enunciating, though to a lesser degree on No Spare Parts single.
That mindset even goes to how Jagger approaches these extra CD's, as if each are their own Tattoo You. He overthinks the concept of bonus tracks on these re-releases then his perfectionist tendencies get the best of him making Jagger create almost new tracks from these odds and sods lying about in the vaults.
But in the process destroying much of the ragged charm that made them "unreleased treasures" by trying to turn them into something they're not. It's interesting to see him re-visit history and then try to turn it into current day. It did work for Tattoo You, partially because the gap in years between release in songs was much narrower. However, the results, at best, were mixed on the EOMS bonus material and it seems the bonus disc of SG might end up being more than the same.
His voice is still a powerful instrument but not as powerful as in 1978. 2011 Jagger sounds fine on NSP but if he uses that voice for songs like "I Can't Help It" or "Claudine" the results will not be as favorable. Remarkable voice even now but painting the voice of a 68 year old man into a scene of thirtysomethings is an exercise in absurdity, that in many ways, however unintentional, disrespects both the fans and the band's legacy.
But, I'm still glad they're doing these bonus discs however if he continues doing so much new vocal work, and the re-issues continue over the next 3-5 years the results will be increasingly unsatisfying. No matter how talented and how much Mick "still got it" the voice of a 70 year old is no match for one a quarter century or more his junior. Sometimes it's like Mick is trying to compete vocally with himself, that is somewhat odd not to mention futile because 21st century Mick's voice is no match for his younger self's voice. Yet, it's almost like he thinks-that aside from the obvious age-factor and it's effect on his vocal power and range-he's a better "singer" today-in the traditional sense. Almost trying to prove he still has it, when that isn't really necessary at all.
I'm not saying release these songs as is or to forget them all together just examining that the way he approaches these re-issues creates some interesting contradictions and paradoxes.
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...I think what your really saying is that in 1978 Mick would have released it very tongue in cheek more like a parody....sort of like the original whereas now he automatically censors himself....I think he's even admitted that he censors himself now....wouldn't it be nice to turn back that clock....for everybody....
I think you raise a great point and that is the self-consciousness that entered the Stones music around the time of IORR and slowly evolved to where it is now on latter day releases like ABB and the EOMS bonus tracks, as well as No Spare Parts. A lot of thinking as well as over enunciating, though to a lesser degree on No Spare Parts single.
That mindset even goes to how Jagger approaches these extra CD's, as if each are their own Tattoo You. He overthinks the concept of bonus tracks on these re-releases then his perfectionist tendencies get the best of him making Jagger create almost new tracks from these odds and sods lying about in the vaults.
But in the process destroying much of the ragged charm that made them "unreleased treasures" by trying to turn them into something they're not. It's interesting to see him re-visit history and then try to turn it into current day. It did work for Tattoo You, partially because the gap in years between release in songs was much narrower. However, the results, at best, were mixed on the EOMS bonus material and it seems the bonus disc of SG might end up being more than the same.
His voice is still a powerful instrument but not as powerful as in 1978. 2011 Jagger sounds fine on NSP but if he uses that voice for songs like "I Can't Help It" or "Claudine" the results will not be as favorable. Remarkable voice even now but painting the voice of a 68 year old man into a scene of thirtysomethings is an exercise in absurdity, that in many ways, however unintentional, disrespects both the fans and the band's legacy.
But, I'm still glad they're doing these bonus discs however if he continues doing so much new vocal work, and the re-issues continue over the next 3-5 years the results will be increasingly unsatisfying. No matter how talented and how much Mick "still got it" the voice of a 70 year old is no match for one a quarter century or more his junior. Sometimes it's like Mick is trying to compete vocally with himself, that is somewhat odd not to mention futile because 21st century Mick's voice is no match for his younger self's voice. Yet, it's almost like he thinks-that aside from the obvious age-factor and it's effect on his vocal power and range-he's a better "singer" today-in the traditional sense. Almost trying to prove he still has it, when that isn't really necessary at all.
I'm not saying release these songs as is or to forget them all together just examining that the way he approaches these re-issues creates some interesting contradictions and paradoxes.
On JLo's new single "Harder" Mick has shown that (if he want) he still has a powerfull voice.
The reason why he no longer uses this type of voice since Wandering Spirit is a mystery.
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That mindset even goes to how Jagger approaches these extra CD's, as if each are their own Tattoo You. He overthinks the concept of bonus tracks on these re-releases then his perfectionist tendencies get the best of him making Jagger create almost new tracks from these odds and sods lying about in the vaults.
But in the process destroying much of the ragged charm that made them "unreleased treasures" by trying to turn them into something they're not. It's interesting to see him re-visit history and then try to turn it into current day. It did work for Tattoo You, partially because the gap in years between release in songs was much narrower. However, the results, at best, were mixed on the EOMS bonus material and it seems the bonus disc of SG might end up being more than the same.
His voice is still a powerful instrument but not as powerful as in 1978. 2011 Jagger sounds fine on NSP but if he uses that voice for songs like "I Can't Help It" or "Claudine" the results will not be as favorable. Remarkable voice even now but painting the voice of a 68 year old man into a scene of thirtysomethings is an exercise in absurdity, that in many ways, however unintentional, disrespects both the fans and the band's legacy.
But, I'm still glad they're doing these bonus discs however if he continues doing so much new vocal work, and the re-issues continue over the next 3-5 years the results will be increasingly unsatisfying. No matter how talented and how much Mick "still got it" the voice of a 70 year old is no match for one a quarter century or more his junior. Sometimes it's like Mick is trying to compete vocally with himself, that is somewhat odd not to mention futile because 21st century Mick's voice is no match for his younger self's voice. Yet, it's almost like he thinks-that aside from the obvious age-factor and it's effect on his vocal power and range-he's a better "singer" today-in the traditional sense. Almost trying to prove he still has it, when that isn't really necessary at all.
I'm not saying release these songs as is or to forget them all together just examining that the way he approaches these re-issues creates some interesting contradictions and paradoxes.
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...I think what your really saying is that in 1978 Mick would have released it very tongue in cheek more like a parody....sort of like the original whereas now he automatically censors himself....I think he's even admitted that he censors himself now....wouldn't it be nice to turn back that clock....for everybody....
I think you raise a great point and that is the self-consciousness that entered the Stones music around the time of IORR and slowly evolved to where it is now on latter day releases like ABB and the EOMS bonus tracks, as well as No Spare Parts. A lot of thinking as well as over enunciating, though to a lesser degree on No Spare Parts single.
That mindset even goes to how Jagger approaches these extra CD's, as if each are their own Tattoo You. He overthinks the concept of bonus tracks on these re-releases then his perfectionist tendencies get the best of him making Jagger create almost new tracks from these odds and sods lying about in the vaults.
But in the process destroying much of the ragged charm that made them "unreleased treasures" by trying to turn them into something they're not. It's interesting to see him re-visit history and then try to turn it into current day. It did work for Tattoo You, partially because the gap in years between release in songs was much narrower. However, the results, at best, were mixed on the EOMS bonus material and it seems the bonus disc of SG might end up being more than the same.
His voice is still a powerful instrument but not as powerful as in 1978. 2011 Jagger sounds fine on NSP but if he uses that voice for songs like "I Can't Help It" or "Claudine" the results will not be as favorable. Remarkable voice even now but painting the voice of a 68 year old man into a scene of thirtysomethings is an exercise in absurdity, that in many ways, however unintentional, disrespects both the fans and the band's legacy.
But, I'm still glad they're doing these bonus discs however if he continues doing so much new vocal work, and the re-issues continue over the next 3-5 years the results will be increasingly unsatisfying. No matter how talented and how much Mick "still got it" the voice of a 70 year old is no match for one a quarter century or more his junior. Sometimes it's like Mick is trying to compete vocally with himself, that is somewhat odd not to mention futile because 21st century Mick's voice is no match for his younger self's voice. Yet, it's almost like he thinks-that aside from the obvious age-factor and it's effect on his vocal power and range-he's a better "singer" today-in the traditional sense. Almost trying to prove he still has it, when that isn't really necessary at all.
I'm not saying release these songs as is or to forget them all together just examining that the way he approaches these re-issues creates some interesting contradictions and paradoxes.
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I get the impression some of us believe Mick is trying to change or re-write Stones history with his work on these bonus disc. The fact is they are out-takes brushed up enough to be listenable. Plundered was outstanding, but I think there are very few of those lying around,
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A spokeswoman for The Stones told Music Week that No Spare Parts did not have a re-recorded vocal, although other bonus tracks on the re-release do have new vocal parts.
[www.musicweek.com]
Interesting... Hands up if you believe the Spokeswoman?
You guys are getting all bent out of shape. NSP did not have a RE-recorded vocal; the new MJ vocal (final take that was used) was just recorded once. MJ/Was didn't RE-record that final take. Does that properly parse the spokeswoman's words? lol.
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frankotero
It's interesting how we critique the music, I learn a lot from it. On the other hand I can't help but think it's as easy as liking or dis-liking a song. .
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Mathijs
Oh boy...this is bad....
First, it was a crappy outtake in the first place. It was a jam, a play through, two chords and half a lyrics, nothing more, nothing less. It was quite boring and lame in the first place.
But now...why in gods name does Jagger overact so badly? Just as that Superheavy shite, why does he think he needs to sing like a parody to Mick Jagger The Great 1972 R&R Growler? Why does he need to totally overdo it?
So, with Exile we got one good song with good vocals, and half a dozen of decent songs with totally overblown voclas. Now we get a dozen of lame songs with totally over the top vocals..I mean, who is waiting here for Petrol Gang with 2011 vocals? I know I am not...
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Oh boy...this is bad....
First, it was a crappy outtake in the first place. It was a jam, a play through, two chords and half a lyrics, nothing more, nothing less. It was quite boring and lame in the first place.
But now...why in gods name does Jagger overact so badly? Just as that Superheavy shite, why does he think he needs to sing like a parody to Mick Jagger The Great 1972 R&R Growler? Why does he need to totally overdo it?
So, with Exile we got one good song with good vocals, and half a dozen of decent songs with totally overblown vocals. Now we get a dozen of lame songs with totally over the top vocals..I mean, who is waiting here for Petrol Gang with 2011 vocals? I know I am not...
Mathijs
Totally agree. Mick's voice is the real problem.
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So what I have by now tried to do is to forget the "historical accuracy" or "authenticity" of these bonus tracks. I think we should - this is my advice - treat them as musical entities of their own, and view them just in terms of their own...
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Doxa
For example, the critique with Jagger's 'thin, nasal' current voice is very much to do in comparing that to the 'original' version. In this case I would say it is a nasty fact that we have such a version in the first place. Good that "Plundered" has not anything of the sort to 'save' the current listening experience... It could be that they even with a purpose used that kind of songs in EXILE which hadn't 'counter-examples' in the past. Perhaps that was the idea behind of not using "too familiar bootleg stuff" as they at the time claimed...
- Doxa