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Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: November 9, 2021 20:34

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peoplewitheyes
My brother replenished our tired CD selection when he visited us here in Crete this summer.

Among the disks was IV.

In the car, one of my sons, 11 years old, asks often for the album. Although I've heard it a million times before, the majestic swoop of the coastal highway, and a child's enthusiasm make Stairway to Heaven an ethereal experience.

Nice post thumbs up

I cannot agree more, regarding Stairway To Heaven. As overplayed and over-analysed the recording may be, it’s an utter masterpiece of composition and performance. It’s utter perfection.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: MILKYWAY ()
Date: November 9, 2021 22:11

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Somewhat bewildered that people praise Four Sticks here. Among the eight tracks on the album, this is closest to what I would classify as ‘filler’. Admittedly not subpar, no, but overall impression is rather flat and it’s going nowhere. The title comes from Bonzo playing the drums with four sticks? What does that have got to do with the lyrics? There’s no accounting for taste indeed.

Yeah, that sounds about right.


Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: JimmyTheSaint ()
Date: November 9, 2021 22:23

Side B of LZ IV is one of my all-time favourite album sides.

Right up there with side A of Rise & Fall of Ziggy Stardust, side B of Countdown to Ecstasy and side B of Tattoo You.



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Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 10, 2021 04:23

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Somewhat bewildered that people praise Four Sticks here. Among the eight tracks on the album, this is closest to what I would classify as ‘filler’. Admittedly not subpar, no, but overall impression is rather flat and it’s going nowhere. The title comes from Bonzo playing the drums with four sticks? What does that have got to do with the lyrics? There’s no accounting for taste indeed.

Did someone relieve themselves in your cheerios this morning?!

Sorry I relieved myself in your Cheerios this morning — did you notice that?spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

No. I guess it was too small to see.

I’m sorry. I’ll relieve myself more next time.grinning smiley

And I'll bring a magnifying glass!

I don’t think you’ll need it — just help yourself and you’ll taste it.smiling bouncing smiley

So sorry for you. Is that why you're single?

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: November 10, 2021 04:49

Masterpiece start to finish.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 10, 2021 04:57

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So sorry for you. Is that why you're single?

I don’t think so ‘cause I am married (believe it or not).

Brother, what for are you fighting?

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 10, 2021 06:04

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So sorry for you. Is that why you're single?

I don’t think so ‘cause I am married (believe it or not).

Brother, what for are you fighting?

peace out.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 10, 2021 07:52

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RisingStone
Somewhat bewildered that people praise Four Sticks here. Among the eight tracks on the album, this is closest to what I would classify as ‘filler’. Admittedly not subpar, no, but overall impression is rather flat and it’s going nowhere. The title comes from Bonzo playing the drums with four sticks? What does that have got to do with the lyrics? There’s no accounting for taste indeed.

Mick never says 'devil' in Sympathy For The Devil. Or 'Casino boogie' in Casino Boogie.

Kurt Cobain never says lithium in Lithium, breed in Breed, in bloom in In Bloom.

ETCETERAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 10, 2021 08:04

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Big Al
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peoplewitheyes
My brother replenished our tired CD selection when he visited us here in Crete this summer.

Among the disks was IV.

In the car, one of my sons, 11 years old, asks often for the album. Although I've heard it a million times before, the majestic swoop of the coastal highway, and a child's enthusiasm make Stairway to Heaven an ethereal experience.

Nice post thumbs up

I cannot agree more, regarding Stairway To Heaven. As overplayed and over-analysed the recording may be, it’s an utter masterpiece of composition and performance. It’s utter perfection.

The O2 live version... supreme. CELEBRATION DAY re-engaged me with Led Zeppelin, for the third time in regard to having their LPs.




Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 10, 2021 14:44

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RisingStone
Somewhat bewildered that people praise Four Sticks here. Among the eight tracks on the album, this is closest to what I would classify as ‘filler’. Admittedly not subpar, no, but overall impression is rather flat and it’s going nowhere. The title comes from Bonzo playing the drums with four sticks? What does that have got to do with the lyrics? There’s no accounting for taste indeed.

Mick never says 'devil' in Sympathy For The Devil. Or 'Casino boogie' in Casino Boogie.

Kurt Cobain never says lithium in Lithium, breed in Breed, in bloom in In Bloom.

ETCETERAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

If you want a serious reply, I think the point is whether a particular title is connected with the lyrics, be it closely or remotely, rather than certain words or phrases appear in them and correspond between the two. Admittedly, the connection can be so subtle and abstract sometimes it is tricky to find it. I don’t think Four Sticks applies to any conceivable cases above, though.

On another ground —
Mick and Kurt, as far as I know, have not particularly explained why such and such songs are called this or that. On the contrary, Jimmy numerously did in regard to the origin of the title, Four Sticks, which is daft.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 12, 2021 03:07

Okay, another debate, no more Cheerios (maybe some fillers).

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Side B of LZ IV is one of my all-time favourite album sides.

Right up there with side A of Rise & Fall of Ziggy Stardust, side B of Countdown to Ecstasy and side B of Tattoo You.

Again, there’s no accounting for taste. Or each to their own.

As I posted above, the song order of LZ lV (AKA ‘Four Symbols’) has never convinced me, and particularly Side B at that. Sorry to say this — for me, it is an example of inaptly sequencing tracks. Starting the side with Misty Mountain Hop and then Four Sticks, two less than spectacular songs by the group’s standard and the bottom of the Zep lV family (in my opinion), only adds up to the weakness of the album.

Here is my attempt of reinventing LZ lV by changing the song order:
Side A — 1. Rock And Roll 2. Black Dog 3. Four Sticks 4. Stairway To Heaven (Total running time: 21mins 19secs)
Side B — 1. Misty Mountain Hop 2. Going To California 3. Battle Of Evermore 4. When The Levee Breaks (Total running time: 21mins 1secs)

The total running time of the original album is, Side A = 22mins 8secs, Side B = 20mins 12secs. The rearranged song order would also be more balanced in terms of running time shared by each side and theoretically contributes if slightly to the improvement of the audio quality of Side A, especially Stairway To Heaven that is placed in the most inner position of the vinyl where the sound deteriorates as compared to the outer.

[N.B. Total running time is according to Wiki article [en.wikipedia.org] and does not include between-song intervals.]

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: November 12, 2021 03:19

Lol...........confused smiley

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 12, 2021 03:57

Want some Cheerios?smiling smiley

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: noughties ()
Date: November 12, 2021 13:41

This album makes me think of the pain of received wisdom, and the guilty unpleasure it leads to.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 12, 2021 17:28

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This album makes me think of the pain of received wisdom, and the guilty unpleasure it leads to.

I understand what you mean.

Great but not perfect.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 13, 2021 19:34

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RisingStone
Want some Cheerios?smiling smiley

Don't let the fact that you can't get anyone to agree with you get you down. Keep fighting the good fight - or whatever the hell you think it is you're doing.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 14, 2021 00:49

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Want some Cheerios?smiling smiley

Don't let the fact that you can't get anyone to agree with you get you down. Keep fighting the good fight - or whatever the hell you think it is you're doing.

It’s a joke — in my non-native English speaking head, at least. I’m sorry if I have gone amiss.

That aside, seriously, remember, it is you who insulted me, first of all, with that Cheerios “joke”.

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 14, 2021 01:47

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Want some Cheerios?smiling smiley

Don't let the fact that you can't get anyone to agree with you get you down. Keep fighting the good fight - or whatever the hell you think it is you're doing.

It’s a joke — in my non-native English speaking head, at least. I’m sorry if I have gone amiss.

That aside, seriously, remember, it is you who insulted me, first of all, with that Cheerios “joke”.

Oh that? I was just taking the piss with ya.

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: November 14, 2021 02:20

Looking forward to seeing them live next year. Better than arguing about song order on IV.

Robert Plant 'happy' to become Alison Krauss' harmony student

[www.insidenova.com]

The two artists release their second duets album, ‘Raise The Roof’ next week, 14 years after their first joint album 'Raising Sand’ was released to critical acclaim.

And the Led Zeppelin rocker has revealed he was too busy being a "rock 'n' roll cliche", to know about "strict melodies" and proper harmonising, and so he jumped at the chance to become a student when fiddle and harmony expert, Alison, coached him on how best to compliment her vocal.

Speaking to the new issue of Uncut magazine, Robert said: "As an English singer, I usually reach for the normal pop/rock stuff that I might have done with Zep on 'Thank You' or 'Little Drops Of Rain'.

"But Alison comes from a different world.

"She is always at pains to tell me that while was flying my kite in the back of a van she was seven years into fiddle competitions.

"She never went to prom because she was in the corner harmonising when I was already becoming a rock 'n' roll cliche at a very early age.

"She coaches me and gives me alternatives to bolster her vocal.

"She hears the way you can embellish a melody.

"I was learning all that Chitlin' Circuit phrasing in the mid-60s, so I never knew about strict melodies.

"I was very happy to put myself into the position of being a student to see if I could do it."

The 'Stairway to Heaven' hitmaker recently referred to their unique material as “dark and spacey”.

He said: “The wonderful thing about it is that it’s nameless, and it has its own personality. You could say it’s kind of a little bit retro-sounding. It’s almost an archival study of pretty far-out spacey music. I think you could call it dark and spacey.”

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: Nikkei ()
Date: November 14, 2021 02:28

That's great news, them doing another record together. I love their take on Fortune Teller and the general atmosphere of their first project

Re: ot: Zeppelin 4 50 years old today!
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 14, 2021 02:34

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Oh that? I was just taking the piss with ya.

Yeah you did! Be careful when you “take the piss” out of a non-native English speaker...

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: November 14, 2021 02:35

They are playing at Hyde Park in late June. I am hoping to coordinate that with some Rolling Stones shows within one or two time zones as well.

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: November 14, 2021 02:39

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daspyknows
Looking forward to seeing them live next year. Better than arguing about song order on IV.

Robert Plant 'happy' to become Alison Krauss' harmony student

[www.insidenova.com]

The two artists release their second duets album, ‘Raise The Roof’ next week, 14 years after their first joint album 'Raising Sand’ was released to critical acclaim.

And the Led Zeppelin rocker has revealed he was too busy being a "rock 'n' roll cliche", to know about "strict melodies" and proper harmonising, and so he jumped at the chance to become a student when fiddle and harmony expert, Alison, coached him on how best to compliment her vocal.

Speaking to the new issue of Uncut magazine, Robert said: "As an English singer, I usually reach for the normal pop/rock stuff that I might have done with Zep on 'Thank You' or 'Little Drops Of Rain'.

"But Alison comes from a different world.

"She is always at pains to tell me that while was flying my kite in the back of a van she was seven years into fiddle competitions.

"She never went to prom because she was in the corner harmonising when I was already becoming a rock 'n' roll cliche at a very early age.

"She coaches me and gives me alternatives to bolster her vocal.

"She hears the way you can embellish a melody.

"I was learning all that Chitlin' Circuit phrasing in the mid-60s, so I never knew about strict melodies.

"I was very happy to put myself into the position of being a student to see if I could do it."

The 'Stairway to Heaven' hitmaker recently referred to their unique material as “dark and spacey”.

He said: “The wonderful thing about it is that it’s nameless, and it has its own personality. You could say it’s kind of a little bit retro-sounding. It’s almost an archival study of pretty far-out spacey music. I think you could call it dark and spacey.”

I saw Alison Krauss and Union Station open for Willie Nelson a few years ago without not knowing a ton about her. Man, did they blow me away! She is an underrated gem.

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: November 14, 2021 03:38

I have seen her at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass festival in SF. Its a great free music festival. Also have seen a member of her band the dobro player Jerry Douglas many times. Very talented.

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: Cooltoplady ()
Date: November 14, 2021 05:21

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Looking forward to seeing them live next year. Better than arguing about song order on IV.

Robert Plant 'happy' to become Alison Krauss' harmony student

[www.insidenova.com]

The two artists release their second duets album, ‘Raise The Roof’ next week, 14 years after their first joint album 'Raising Sand’ was released to critical acclaim.

And the Led Zeppelin rocker has revealed he was too busy being a "rock 'n' roll cliche", to know about "strict melodies" and proper harmonising, and so he jumped at the chance to become a student when fiddle and harmony expert, Alison, coached him on how best to compliment her vocal.

Speaking to the new issue of Uncut magazine, Robert said: "As an English singer, I usually reach for the normal pop/rock stuff that I might have done with Zep on 'Thank You' or 'Little Drops Of Rain'.

"But Alison comes from a different world.

"She is always at pains to tell me that while was flying my kite in the back of a van she was seven years into fiddle competitions.

"She never went to prom because she was in the corner harmonising when I was already becoming a rock 'n' roll cliche at a very early age.

"She coaches me and gives me alternatives to bolster her vocal.

"She hears the way you can embellish a melody.

"I was learning all that Chitlin' Circuit phrasing in the mid-60s, so I never knew about strict melodies.

"I was very happy to put myself into the position of being a student to see if I could do it."

The 'Stairway to Heaven' hitmaker recently referred to their unique material as “dark and spacey”.

He said: “The wonderful thing about it is that it’s nameless, and it has its own personality. You could say it’s kind of a little bit retro-sounding. It’s almost an archival study of pretty far-out spacey music. I think you could call it dark and spacey.”

I saw Alison Krauss and Union Station open for Willie Nelson a few years ago without not knowing a ton about her. Man, did they blow me away! She is an underrated gem.

She’s not underrated. She’s received much respect with peers and critics. Countless Grammy awards Music magazine articles. She had gotten the praise and credit she deserves. Differently one of the best in the business That’s not being underrated

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: November 14, 2021 16:18

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Looking forward to seeing them live next year. Better than arguing about song order on IV.

Robert Plant 'happy' to become Alison Krauss' harmony student

[www.insidenova.com]

The two artists release their second duets album, ‘Raise The Roof’ next week, 14 years after their first joint album 'Raising Sand’ was released to critical acclaim.

And the Led Zeppelin rocker has revealed he was too busy being a "rock 'n' roll cliche", to know about "strict melodies" and proper harmonising, and so he jumped at the chance to become a student when fiddle and harmony expert, Alison, coached him on how best to compliment her vocal.

Speaking to the new issue of Uncut magazine, Robert said: "As an English singer, I usually reach for the normal pop/rock stuff that I might have done with Zep on 'Thank You' or 'Little Drops Of Rain'.

"But Alison comes from a different world.

"She is always at pains to tell me that while was flying my kite in the back of a van she was seven years into fiddle competitions.

"She never went to prom because she was in the corner harmonising when I was already becoming a rock 'n' roll cliche at a very early age.

"She coaches me and gives me alternatives to bolster her vocal.

"She hears the way you can embellish a melody.

"I was learning all that Chitlin' Circuit phrasing in the mid-60s, so I never knew about strict melodies.

"I was very happy to put myself into the position of being a student to see if I could do it."

The 'Stairway to Heaven' hitmaker recently referred to their unique material as “dark and spacey”.

He said: “The wonderful thing about it is that it’s nameless, and it has its own personality. You could say it’s kind of a little bit retro-sounding. It’s almost an archival study of pretty far-out spacey music. I think you could call it dark and spacey.”

I saw Alison Krauss and Union Station open for Willie Nelson a few years ago without not knowing a ton about her. Man, did they blow me away! She is an underrated gem.

She’s not underrated. She’s received much respect with peers and critics. Countless Grammy awards Music magazine articles. She had gotten the praise and credit she deserves. Differently one of the best in the business That’s not being underrated

I’m fully aware of her accolades, praise, etc. Plant wouldn’t choose to work with a scrub. That said, I believe she is still underrated, because she is worthy of even more fame and admiration amongst the general public. I stick with my opinion and respect yours.

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: November 14, 2021 16:27

Fantastic cover of a Lucinda Williams classic by Plant and Krauss..
No one sings this like Lu, but this is great.


Robert Plant & Alison Krauss - Can't Let Go (Official Audio)




Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: November 14, 2021 16:43

Robert Plant & Alison Krauss will be on "The Late Show With Stephen Colbert" on 11/19 and "CBS Saturday Morning" on 11/20.

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: November 14, 2021 22:58

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Looking forward to seeing them live next year. Better than arguing about song order on IV.

Robert Plant 'happy' to become Alison Krauss' harmony student

[www.insidenova.com]

The two artists release their second duets album, ‘Raise The Roof’ next week, 14 years after their first joint album 'Raising Sand’ was released to critical acclaim.

And the Led Zeppelin rocker has revealed he was too busy being a "rock 'n' roll cliche", to know about "strict melodies" and proper harmonising, and so he jumped at the chance to become a student when fiddle and harmony expert, Alison, coached him on how best to compliment her vocal.

Speaking to the new issue of Uncut magazine, Robert said: "As an English singer, I usually reach for the normal pop/rock stuff that I might have done with Zep on 'Thank You' or 'Little Drops Of Rain'.

"But Alison comes from a different world.

"She is always at pains to tell me that while was flying my kite in the back of a van she was seven years into fiddle competitions.

"She never went to prom because she was in the corner harmonising when I was already becoming a rock 'n' roll cliche at a very early age.

"She coaches me and gives me alternatives to bolster her vocal.

"She hears the way you can embellish a melody.

"I was learning all that Chitlin' Circuit phrasing in the mid-60s, so I never knew about strict melodies.

"I was very happy to put myself into the position of being a student to see if I could do it."

The 'Stairway to Heaven' hitmaker recently referred to their unique material as “dark and spacey”.

He said: “The wonderful thing about it is that it’s nameless, and it has its own personality. You could say it’s kind of a little bit retro-sounding. It’s almost an archival study of pretty far-out spacey music. I think you could call it dark and spacey.”

I saw Alison Krauss and Union Station open for Willie Nelson a few years ago without not knowing a ton about her. Man, did they blow me away! She is an underrated gem.

She’s not underrated. She’s received much respect with peers and critics. Countless Grammy awards Music magazine articles. She had gotten the praise and credit she deserves. Differently one of the best in the business That’s not being underrated

I’m fully aware of her accolades, praise, etc. Plant wouldn’t choose to work with a scrub. That said, I believe she is still underrated, because she is worthy of even more fame and admiration amongst the general public. I stick with my opinion and respect yours.

I don’t think she’s underrated either. She’s been a star for years. Always in a top country list of female vocalists and musicians. People know how great she is.

Re: OT: Led Zeppelin stuff
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: November 15, 2021 03:58

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I saw Alison Krauss and Union Station open for Willie Nelson a few years ago without not knowing a ton about her. Man, did they blow me away! She is an underrated gem.

She’s not underrated. She’s received much respect with peers and critics. Countless Grammy awards Music magazine articles. She had gotten the praise and credit she deserves. Differently one of the best in the business That’s not being underrated

I’m fully aware of her accolades, praise, etc. Plant wouldn’t choose to work with a scrub. That said, I believe she is still underrated, because she is worthy of even more fame and admiration amongst the general public. I stick with my opinion and respect yours.

I don’t think she’s underrated either. She’s been a star for years. Always in a top country list of female vocalists and musicians. People know how great she is.

Alison Krauss underrated? Twenty-seven Grammy Awards are no mean feat.

Keith praises the Raising Sand album. [www.wsfm.com.au]

Sorry to mention here the name of evil — Eric Clapton, while he was on tour in Japan in November 1999, referred to Krauss’ then latest release, Forget About It, as his current favorite album to play, which spurred me to buy the CD. I liked it then, but sometime later found myself having left it unheard for quite a while. I bought Raising Sand when it came out, same as above. I still hope to catch the duo live next year as I heard a good reputation from the previous tour.

I saw Krauss once, when she supported Paul Simon at the Hard Rock Calling 2012 in Hyde Park. Decent at best if my memory serves, but probably unfair to judge her solely from that slot. I’m ready to give her another chance any day.

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