It seems to just go with the territory, as it is. There's only one Gene Simmons.

Look at Flea. He's an exception to the rule as well. Sting. Geddy.

Who here knows who Jamie Stewart is?

It's just how it goes it seems.

Jamie Stewart is/was the bass player for The Cult! I believe Sonic Temple was recorded here in Vancouver.
Unless, of course, there's other Jamie Stewarts.

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Jamie Stewart is/was the bass player for The Cult! I believe Sonic Temple was recorded here in Vancouver.
Unless, of course, there's other Jamie Stewarts.

Correct!

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In 75 the Stones could have wiped the floor with LZ. Easily.

Not really.

Two words. Earls Court.

That was an epic run. What I really would have given my left nut for were the after show jam sessions at the Troubadour. Too bad none of that was recorded.

Wheres rest of the 1975 and 1977 tour soundboards...

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In 75 the Stones could have wiped the floor with LZ. Easily.

Not really.

Two words. Earls Court.

That was an epic run.

To me it was still the 75 sluggishness and the return of the acoustic set. Nothing much to write about.
Plus the acoustics at EC were (as usual) dreadful so that didn't help the band.

From ledzepnews.com:

Led Zeppelin isn’t releasing live recordings because the band members can’t agree about them

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There’s “no point” releasing Led Zeppelin live recordings because the band’s surviving members “don’t all agree” about them, according to Jimmy Page. Page spoke to Uncut Magazine for its its May 2022 issue. In the interview, Page confirmed the December LedZepNews report that Led Zeppelin has been working on an official exhibition, but revealed that the project has ended because the band members disagreed about that as well. When asked whether Led Zeppelin has considered holding its own exhibition, Page said that “there was something at one point. But all the members and people around the band couldn’t agree. I was much happier doing my book and the exhibition with the Met.” LedZepNews broke the story in December that Led Zeppelin’s surviving members along with John Bonham’s widow Patricia Bonham registered a business in the UK in 2018 as part of a plan to hold a Led Zeppelin exhibition, potentially using the name “The Led Zeppelin Experience.” Now it seems that has been scrapped. Later on in the Uncut Magazine interview, Page was asked about plans to officially release Led Zeppelin live recordings. “Obviously, there is source material that could come out – but it seems the band don’t all agree so there’s no point,” Page said. “I’d rather do my own stuff.” Page also told Uncut Magazine that he hopes to continue his solo career. “I have got ideas and projects in mind – several possible things I could do – but I won’t discuss them, because if you give one sentence of something that might turn into a lengthy project then people start asking when it’s coming out,” he said. “I keep my cards close to my chest with what I am doing, because I don’t want to let the fans down.”

Page and Plant both spoke about plans to release Led Zeppelin music in the past

Page has spoken in multiple interviews about his hopes to release archival Led Zeppelin music. In 2017, Page hinted that recordings would be released in 2018. “There’ll be Led Zeppelin product coming out, for sure, that people haven’t heard,” he told the Academy of Achievement, “because I’m working on that. Next year will be the fiftieth year so there’s all manner of surprises coming out.” In February 2018, he told Planet Rock Magazine that “there’s a recording that’s another multi-track that we’ll release. It’s so different to all the other things that are out there. It’s another view compared to How The West Was Won or The Song Remains The Same. I’m looking forward to people hearing that.” In that interview, Page said he planned to continue releasing Led Zeppelin material over the next 10 years. “There’s a lot of stuff to come out, a number of releases,” he said. “I’d like to say that they’ll be coming out over the next 10 years. There’s more to come for sure.” Asked around the same time about potential Led Zeppelin releases, Robert Plant was less committal. “There’s a lot of stuff rolling around,” he told The Toronto Sun. “It’s a bit like water in the bottom of a paddle boat.” Page again mentioned plans for Led Zeppelin releases in an interview with Sirius XM that was broadcast in December 2018. By that point, it sounded like the plans were more uncertain. “I’ve always got things in mind and I always think of things as a sort of schedule of releases over a period of time. I’ve never been, actually, any different. And, obviously, I would have ideas of things or projects which could go ahead, but, you know, it all takes time,” he said. “Who knows what may come further on down the line? I’ll leave it … I don’t know. So I can’t really say at this point,” he added. In the end, no Led Zeppelin live recordings were released for the band’s fiftieth anniversary. Instead, Led Zeppelin released a seven-inch vinyl single for Record Store Day in May 2018 that featured previously unreleased studio mixes of “Rock And Roll” and “Friends”. Led Zeppelin hasn’t released any live music since the remastered edition of the band’s debut album was released in June 2014. It included a bonus disc featuring a recording of Led Zeppelin performing at the Olympia in Paris on October 10, 1969. The 2018 remastered release of the live album How The West Was Won managed to remove two minutes and nine seconds of audio of Led Zeppelin performing “Whole Lotta Love” after Page cut the “Hello Mary Lou” section of the medley that was present on the album’s original 2003 release.

What was Jimmy Page planning?

There has been speculation that Page’s plan to release live Led Zeppelin material may have included soundboard tapes of the band’s 1971 Japan tour. Snippets of those tapes emerged through unofficial bootleg labels in recent years, potentially as a side effect of Page digging out the tapes and considering them for an official release. Snippets of soundboard recordings of the band’s September 28 and September 29, 1971 shows in Osaka, Japan began to emerge in July 2016 when bootleg label Empress Valley released the soundboard tape of “Black Dog” from September 28, 1971. That was followed by “Immigrant Song” from the September 29, 1971 performance in February 2018 and then “Stairway To Heaven” and “Friends” from that show in April 2018. A more complete version of the September 29, 1971 show was released in October 2018. Finally, an expanded version of the soundboard tape of the September 28, 1971 show was released in January 2020.

Who is holding up live releases?

Page’s comments blaming the surviving band members for holding up plans to release live Led Zeppelin recordings are likely to spark speculation about who exactly is causing the disagreement. Clearly Page is keen for tapes to emerge, leaving Plant and Jones as the remaining culprits. Some clues may be found in an episode of The Vinyl Guide podcast released in August 2021 that interviewed photographer Ross Halfin, a close friend of Page. During the interview, Halfin was asked by host Nate Goyer whether there are good quality unreleased live recordings in Led Zeppelin’s archives. “Yeah, Led Zeppelin have the tapes,” Halfin said. “The band have the actual master tapes.” “There’s the live in Japan 1971 that’s never come out. There is Southampton 1973 that has never come out. They have stuff and then I think the original idea was Jimmy was always going to do a live album and call it Early Days and Latter Days which became a greatest hits [album]. “I’m curious to see if Led Zeppelin ever put anything else out,” he added. “I’m surprised they haven’t put out the Albert Hall on vinyl because they have the tapes of that. And there’s always the Southampton 1973 warm-up show, that hasn’t come out. I’d love to hear the Japan 1971 they have complete from the Budokan.” Halfin said that he’s aware of the location of Led Zeppelin’s master tapes of the band’s 1971 Japan tour, lending credibility to the theory that Page may have tracked them down when considering them for an official release. “Led Zeppelin went to Japan and they were going to record them for a live album,” Halfin said. “And Led Zeppelin said ‘let’s listen to the tapes and we’ll pick the stuff’ and basically kept the tapes. So I don’t know where … actually I do know where they are.” Halfin was asked why the band hasn’t released more live recordings. “It has to be agreed by all of them. It’s the same as Pink Floyd, it’s a band agreement and you’ve got certain band members that think it interferes in their solo career,” he said. Halfin’s claim that Led Zeppelin live recordings aren’t being released to avoid interfering with a solo career seems to point the finger squarely at Plant, whose solo career has thrived in recent years with multiple solo albums and tours along with his recent album and a planned world tour with Alison Krauss. By contrast, Jones’ solo career has consisted of various short term projects and live performances along with plans for an opera which has yet to be staged. Jones told Mojo Magazine in its December 2018 issue that he “can’t be arsed” to record a new solo album.

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Darn shame as I would buy all live releases in audio and video . P.S. this is where legacy bands ( are you listening Stones ? ) are missing out on $ by not mining their vaults and letting this stuff out . If they reasons are that it's only hardcore followers that want it look no further than the Grateful Dead archive live recordings that get released quarterly . Steady revenue stream i.e. easy money .

Well, now I know how all the Stones fans who traveled to Amsterdam for the first date felt. 15 minutes before Robert Plant and Alison Krauss were due to hit tge stage they cancelled at the Cactus Festival in Bruges. Alison Krauss has the "flu" and can't sing. They said she tested negative for Covid but either way it sucks.

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... they cancelled at the Cactus Festival in Bruges. Alison Krauss has the "flu" and can't sing. They said she tested negative for Covid but either way it sucks.

Bummer!

Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on the secrets to aging gracefully

by Mikael Wood
August 17, 2022

[www.latimes.com]

I dont think LZ would have fallen apart. Yes, they put out a mediocre album with 'Presence'; but that is probably because Plant was not really present.
'In through the out door' IMO was a major shift, and could have opened brand new doors. And Punk would have given them a wake up call too. Who knows?

I just recently watched JCM's excellent mini movie on ITTOD. Much like FlipsideCt did with the Stones 70's albums. Very well done.[youtu.be]

I attended alot of record shows in the 80's and 90's in the Virginia/DC/Maryland area with the late great John Rutherford (stones-relics) so I had zero chance of getting any rare Stones rarities or boots so I gravitated towards Led Zeppelin boots. As far as consistency, to a much greater extent than the Stones, when LZ was good they were very good indeed and when they were bad, they were awful. Usually, Page was the variable.
The studio recordings were meticulous, layered and fairly dense and it was well nigh impossible to really do them justice live as a three piece. The Page/Plant collaboration of the mid-90's showed how beneficial having more players onstage was. On the other hand, my favorite Zep boot is my copy of "London 1969"- heavy powerful blues rock which suited the guitar/drums/bass much more.

I listened to Earl's Court 1975 the other day & it hasn't aged well. The Stones & The Who stuff from that era has aged much better. I saw Zep in 1977 (I was 16 so it was an early in my concert going). Some of it was quite good, some of it was so bloated. I'm glad I saw them but they were almost done & you could tell. 20 minute keyboad solo, drum solo & Page kind of masturbating on guitar. He wasn't in good shape. If I'm going to listen to them I'm much more likely to go with the studio stuff.

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If I'm going to listen to them I'm much more likely to go with the studio stuff.

Try one of the '77 Millard tapes from the L.A. residency.
Of course they have the endless "No Quarter" plus the endless drum solo plus the endless guitar solo but overall the band was in good form during that string of shows.

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I dont think LZ would have fallen apart. Yes, they put out a mediocre album with 'Presence'; but that is probably because Plant was not really present.
'In through the out door' IMO was a major shift, and could have opened brand new doors. And Punk would have given them a wake up call too. Who knows?

I just recently watched JCM's excellent mini movie on ITTOD. Much like FlipsideCt did with the Stones 70's albums. Very well done.[youtu.be]

PRESENCE is a weird album. I've never cared for Achilles Last Stand. Sounds like they were trying to be Rush. For Your Life and Nobody's Fault But Mine are great. The rest... sounds like Page's barrel scraping of licks and riffs that were discarded from any previous sessions. Although Tea For One is nice, fantastic, actually, although it sounds like they recorded it without ever working on it.

Live LA Forum Sept. 4, 1970:

[www.youtube.com]

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Live LA Forum Sept. 4, 1970:

[www.youtube.com]

Very cool!
Jimmy with a beard and wearing a bucket hat!
Thanks for posting.

I LOVE the 'Presence' album. I love the raw vocals, the very few overdubs, the guitar sound, the punk/prog sound (It's the ONLY punkish/prog rock crossover album ever made, imho), the intricate and exceptionally tight rhythms. Like 'Undercover' for the Stones, I think it's LZ's smartest and most underrated album. I have a lot of love for both Presence and Undercover for that reason! :^)

Yes Tate, Presence is an absolutely great album...the last of the great Zeppelin albums. After that came the dismally bloated In Through the Outdoor which even the band members dismissed as an awkward album.
Plant called it "a bit sanitised", while Page said "It wasn't the most comfortable album" later stating ""we wanted, after In Through the Out Door, to make something hard-hitting and riff-based again".
Sadly it was not to be, but from Zep I through Presence they could hardly do any wrong, and that phenomenal seven album run will forever keep the band etched in the history books.

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Yes Tate, Presence is an absolutely great album...the last of the great Zeppelin albums. After that came the dismally bloated In Through the Outdoor which even the band members dismissed as an awkward album.
Plant called it "a bit sanitised", while Page said "It wasn't the most comfortable album" later stating ""we wanted, after In Through the Out Door, to make something hard-hitting and riff-based again".
Sadly it was not to be, but from Zep I through Presence they could hardly do any wrong, and that phenomenal seven album run will forever keep the band etched in the history books.

Also I believe half the album Jimmy Page was MIA and John Paul Jones filled the space with his awesome keyboard work . Really weird on a Zeppelin album .

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I LOVE the 'Presence' album. I love the raw vocals, the very few overdubs, the guitar sound, the punk/prog sound (It's the ONLY punkish/prog rock crossover album ever made, imho), the intricate and exceptionally tight rhythms. Like 'Undercover' for the Stones, I think it's LZ's smartest and most underrated album. I have a lot of love for both Presence and Undercover for that reason! :^)

I too love Presence, not a fan of Achelles but love everything else.

As for ITTOD, it's a hit or miss affair, poor Jimmy was in terrible shape, Bonzo was almost dead and it was JPJ who stepped in with all the keyboards. Can't leave out Robert with the beautiful All my Love.

Think of the direction they were going in though with the 3 songs from CODA that were supposed to be an EP at Knebworth.

Darlene and Ozone Baby sounds like Zep lite stuff found on Houses or PG, but the key is Wearin and Tearin, what a stomper that is!

Here it is but with Roberts band, imaging what the LZ rhythm section could have done. [www.youtube.com]



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I LOVE the 'Presence' album. I love the raw vocals, the very few overdubs, the guitar sound, the punk/prog sound (It's the ONLY punkish/prog rock crossover album ever made, imho), the intricate and exceptionally tight rhythms. Like 'Undercover' for the Stones, I think it's LZ's smartest and most underrated album. I have a lot of love for both Presence and Undercover for that reason! :^)

I too love Presence, not a fan of Achelles but love everything else.

As for ITTOD, it's a hit or miss affair, poor Jimmy was in terrible shape, Bonzo was almost dead and it was JPJ who stepped in with all the keyboards. Can't leave out Robert with the beautiful All my Love.

Think of the direction they were going in though with the 3 songs from CODA that were supposed to be an EP at Knebworth.

Darlene and Ozone Baby sounds like Zep lite stuff found on Houses or PG, but the key is Wearin and Tearin, what a stomper that is!

Here it is but with Roberts band, imaging what the LZ rhythm section could have done. [www.youtube.com]

I remember it was some type of concert or festival and it was Robert Plant's band and Mr. Page joined them for Wearing and Tearing and it was awesome . Jimmy Page played a Les Paul that was sort of different . I don't know if it was because it might have had a B bender or something else out of the ordinary , versus his usual Sunburst Les Paul (s).

I wonder, again, why is Robert Plant condemned to Led Zeppelin? He himself has made the point that he is so much more than his most famous band, that he is his own man following his own muse. IMHO, he deserves his own space.

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I wonder, again, why is Robert Plant condemned to Led Zeppelin? He himself has made the point that he is so much more than his most famous band, that he is his own man following his own muse. IMHO, he deserves his own space.

Saw him and Alison Krauss last night. He made some comment about Whitesnake (Coverdale/Page reference maybe; have to listen to it again; I have it on video) and also mentioned a very talented guitarist he played with (wasn't Page, but Bert Jansch). They also played Rock and Roll, The Battle of Evermore and When the Levee Breaks.

He definitely didn't avoid Zeppelin songs and was not afraid to seemingly take some jabs.

I've never posted a video here, but I will post the whole Battle of Evermore (with the Whitesnake comment) and When the Levee Breaks, if someone can explain it to me (it's on my iPhone). I'd appreciate it!



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I wonder, again, why is Robert Plant condemned to Led Zeppelin? He himself has made the point that he is so much more than his most famous band, that he is his own man following his own muse. IMHO, he deserves his own space.

Totally agree. He achieved greatness beyond his most famous band. He's had a great solo career...a great career period.

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I wonder, again, why is Robert Plant condemned to Led Zeppelin? He himself has made the point that he is so much more than his most famous band, that he is his own man following his own muse. IMHO, he deserves his own space.

It's a "Led Zeppelin stuff" thread.

He was part of Led Zeppelin.

Still is. Always will be.

If it bothers you that much, start a Robert Plant thread?

I actually like In Through The Out Door. It's not the greatest Zeppelin record, but neither is Presence.
What I particularly like about Presence is the guitars, the tone, the playing. Some of the songs I find really silly: Royal Orleans, Candy Store Rock and Hots On For Nowhere are just about the worst songs they recorded. Yet the guitar parts are great. Tea For One is my favourite.
The thing about In Through The Out Door is that it, also, is a bit of an enigmatic record, out of the ordinary, due to circumstances, no doubt. Sometimes those kind of records are the most interesting. In The Evening is in my top five of favourite Zeppelin songs, yes it's bloated you could argue, but hey, that IS Led Zeppelin anyway. Musically the album was a step ahead that obviously never developed properly, but Plant made a decent solo career off it, so to speak.

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I wonder, again, why is Robert Plant condemned to Led Zeppelin? He himself has made the point that he is so much more than his most famous band, that he is his own man following his own muse. IMHO, he deserves his own space.

Totally agree. He achieved greatness beyond his most famous band. He's had a great solo career...a great career period.

Robert Plant truly never had grass growing around his feet from being stationary and not moving or stuck in the past . Not knocking Jimmy Page at all as I love his guitar work to much . Robert Plant still continues to be an artist and create art and good for him !

More videos from this festival can be found here: [youtube.com]



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