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I think you summed it up, they were great at playing,producing and performing just not great at writing. So in my opinion it makes them a great band but not one of the top tier bands ever.Quote
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very hard to say negative comments about LED music - best band, best drumming,best vocals,best bass, best guitar wizard off all time. yeah you can critize them for stealing but that has been going on since forever with any one that picks up an instrument and plays is influenced by the past. yes page got lazy and at times did not sit down and develop his own songs but took others and made them his own in the studio.
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Seems to me that the songs they may have "borrowed" from other artists/bands are in the minority of the big picture - down to a very small fraction really. Some people/critics will focus on those "borrowed" tunes and completely write them off as "ripoffs", but if they took some time to look and listen to the entire catalogue they would see how original and great they could be at not only writing their own material, but producing and performing as well. Top tier band? Without any doubt. They easily are amongst all the other great bands, and stand shoulder to shoulder with the very best.
A very good description and such a favorite of mine when I was so young and impressionable . I absolutely loved Jimmy Page's guitar playing and Plant's vocal's and Bonzo's drumming one of the handful of heavyweight greatest of all time pounding the skins and Jones holding down the bass and keyboards and mandolin work .4 virtuoso talents that combined for an epiphany for the ears and soul . Such a short life span that there fire burned out too prematurely !Quote
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very hard to say negative comments about LED music - best band, best drumming,best vocals,best bass, best guitar wizard off all time. yeah you can critize them for stealing but that has been going on since forever with any one that picks up an instrument and plays is influenced by the past. yes page got lazy and at times did not sit down and develop his own songs but took others and made them his own in the studio.
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Seems to me that the songs they may have "borrowed" from other artists/bands are in the minority of the big picture - down to a very small fraction really. Some people/critics will focus on those "borrowed" tunes and completely write them off as "ripoffs", but if they took some time to look and listen to the entire catalogue they would see how original and great they could be at not only writing their own material, but producing and performing as well. Top tier band? Without any doubt. They easily are amongst all the other great bands, and stand shoulder to shoulder with the very best.
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TheGreekA very good description and such a favorite of mine when I was so young and impressionable . I absolutely loved Jimmy Page's guitar playing and Plant's vocal's and Bonzo's drumming one of the handful of heavyweight greatest of all time pounding the skins and Jones holding down the bass and keyboards and mandolin work .4 virtuoso talents that combined for an epiphany for the ears and soul . Such a short life span that there fire burned out too prematurely !Quote
OpenG
very hard to say negative comments about LED music - best band, best drumming,best vocals,best bass, best guitar wizard off all time. yeah you can critize them for stealing but that has been going on since forever with any one that picks up an instrument and plays is influenced by the past. yes page got lazy and at times did not sit down and develop his own songs but took others and made them his own in the studio.
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I am guessing that they wrote like 80 to 95 songs and like everyone has said they might ripped off less than 5 to 10 I do not know . So their body of work is out for their legacy. They have sold over 300 million albums and I think I read somewhere recently that they have 9 records still in the top 100( please correct me if I am wrong about what I have read do not want to spew misinformation). Page was a genius in the studio producing the records. Overall I likes plant's lyrics and his mystical storytelling making reference to Tolkien Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit in some of the songs. As a hack guitar player I love page's guitar parts and they are very fun to play around with.
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In response to Elmo's brilliant post above, I'd like to mention "Down By The Seaside" and the much maligned "Carouselambra" as deep cuts I enjoy.
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I am guessing that they wrote like 80 to 95 songs and like everyone has said they might ripped off less than 5 to 10 I do not know . So their body of work is out for their legacy. They have sold over 300 million albums and I think I read somewhere recently that they have 9 records still in the top 100( please correct me if I am wrong about what I have read do not want to spew misinformation). Page was a genius in the studio producing the records. Overall I likes plant's lyrics and his mystical storytelling making reference to Tolkien Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit in some of the songs. As a hack guitar player I love page's guitar parts and they are very fun to play around with.
it is not 5-10 songs they ripped off. here is a partial list of songs that were originally not credited to anyone outside of led zeppelin that now have other writers also credited or still have no credit changes
whole lotta love
when the levee breaks
babe, I'm gonna leave you
dazed and confused
how many more times
the lemon song
tangerine
since I've been loving you
in my time of dying
black mountain side
trampled under foot
nobody's fault but mine
bron y aur stomp
those are just the ones I know of off the top of my head that borrow lyrics or music sections of other songs but weren't originally credit to anyone outside of led zeppelin. a lot of them have been fixed now due to lawsuits
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OpenG
I am guessing that they wrote like 80 to 95 songs and like everyone has said they might ripped off less than 5 to 10 I do not know . So their body of work is out for their legacy. They have sold over 300 million albums and I think I read somewhere recently that they have 9 records still in the top 100( please correct me if I am wrong about what I have read do not want to spew misinformation). Page was a genius in the studio producing the records. Overall I likes plant's lyrics and his mystical storytelling making reference to Tolkien Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit in some of the songs. As a hack guitar player I love page's guitar parts and they are very fun to play around with.
it is not 5-10 songs they ripped off. here is a partial list of songs that were originally not credited to anyone outside of led zeppelin that now have other writers also credited or still have no credit changes
whole lotta love
when the levee breaks
babe, I'm gonna leave you
dazed and confused
how many more times
the lemon song
tangerine
since I've been loving you
in my time of dying
black mountain side
trampled under foot
nobody's fault but mine
bron y aur stomp
those are just the ones I know of off the top of my head that borrow lyrics or music sections of other songs but weren't originally credit to anyone outside of led zeppelin. a lot of them have been fixed now due to lawsuits
Ummm. these songs were...
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Levee - Memphis Minnie was given credit on the copy I had
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Date: February 26, 2019 20:24
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I am guessing that they wrote like 80 to 95 songs and like everyone has said they might ripped off less than 5 to 10 I do not know . So their body of work is out for their legacy. They have sold over 300 million albums and I think I read somewhere recently that they have 9 records still in the top 100( please correct me if I am wrong about what I have read do not want to spew misinformation). Page was a genius in the studio producing the records. Overall I likes plant's lyrics and his mystical storytelling making reference to Tolkien Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit in some of the songs. As a hack guitar player I love page's guitar parts and they are very fun to play around with.
it is not 5-10 songs they ripped off. here is a partial list of songs that were originally not credited to anyone outside of led zeppelin that now have other writers also credited or still have no credit changes
whole lotta love
when the levee breaks
babe, I'm gonna leave you
dazed and confused
how many more times
the lemon song
tangerine
since I've been loving you
in my time of dying
black mountain side
trampled under foot
nobody's fault but mine
bron y aur stomp
those are just the ones I know of off the top of my head that borrow lyrics or music sections of other songs but weren't originally credit to anyone outside of led zeppelin. a lot of them have been fixed now due to lawsuits
Ummm. these songs were...
those songs were what? not originally credited to the proper people.
history of the credit for babe
The band covered Baez's version; both guitarist Jimmy Page and singer Robert Plant were fans of Baez. Baez's album had originally indicated no writing credit, and Led Zeppelin credited the song as "Trad. arr. Page". In the 1980s, Bredon was made aware of Led Zeppelin's version of the song and since 1990 the Led Zeppelin version has been credited to Anne Bredon/Jimmy Page & Robert Plant. Bredon received a substantial back-payment of royalties
I cant find it but someone says that initial pressing of IV didn't properly credit the writer of levee but that it was a screw up by the label and not the band so if that's true then I guess that one can be removed
Yes I read that but anyway - A song like the Lemon Song - If they took that from some past blues player they always made it there own in studio- The Lemon
song has one of the best bass parts, drums, vocals and guitars all on one song.
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OpenG
I looked at The Mothership DC and of the 24 songs there are 3 songs with co credits - Babe I Gonna Leave You, Whole Lotta Love and When The Levee Breaks.
I wonder if Page starting off as a session player in the studio had some effect, At first he was exposed to people giving him music to play on before he became famous.
A read many quotes from Page that he always admired Jagger saying he always had the songs.
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I get the impression that some people here don't know the difference between composing and arranging.
Also, Plant did write lyrics for the first LZ album, apparently he couldn't be credited because of some contractual stuff he was under at the time. So it's not that strange that Plant got writing credits decades after the fact. I haven't checked the difference between Anne Bredon's version and the Led Zep one. If there ARE differences, why wouldn't credits be given to all?
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plant might have written some lyrics but there are 8 songs on the first album with vocals and just 1 of them doesn't include portions of lyrics from other songs "good times, bad times". thats not saying the entire lyrically content of the songs are borrowed lyrics so sure he could have added his own lyrics
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plant might have written some lyrics but there are 8 songs on the first album with vocals and just 1 of them doesn't include portions of lyrics from other songs "good times, bad times". thats not saying the entire lyrically content of the songs are borrowed lyrics so sure he could have added his own lyrics
Never really thought about it, but what portions of the lyrics to Communication Breakdown were borrowed/stolen from someone else and from what song?
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plant might have written some lyrics but there are 8 songs on the first album with vocals and just 1 of them doesn't include portions of lyrics from other songs "good times, bad times". thats not saying the entire lyrically content of the songs are borrowed lyrics so sure he could have added his own lyrics
Never really thought about it, but what portions of the lyrics to Communication Breakdown were borrowed/stolen from someone else and from what song?
Was wondering the same about "Your Time Is Gonna Come."