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Rocky Dijon
deductive reasoning or perhaps mushrooms?

Serious question now, a couple years ago there were reports that Mick and Joss Stone had covered Hendrix's "Angel" for this project and that Jeff Beck laid down the guitar track. Dave Stewart's recent remarks about having 18 songs sounded like he meant originals that came out of their jam sessions. I'll be curious to see if the Hendrix cover and Jeff Beck are still part of the mix.

Apart from Mick, these aren't icons where audiences are likely to get excited hearing them sing together which would make this project a huge gamble.

but not by making every song a kitschy variety show-style finale like "We Are the World." I'll be curious to see what we get.

Deductive reasoning or perhaps mushrooms? Hmmm, I am so @#$%& straight for
so many years, lately I actually have considered taking ayuhusaha, however
its spelled, the hallucinagen that the supreme court has approved for
religious use, full of DMT, the spirit molecule, but its kinda hard to come
by here in rural australia, and besides, for some reason, even though we are
a colony of america, america's supreme court doesnt count here. they got some
kind of kangaroo court here instead, from what i hear tell.

i mean, i havent even smoked ganja for twenty years, except recently, because
SHE likes it for sex and now i do too.

but all my writing is done straight, or rather, unintoxicated. but i don't
believe in not having fun when i write, i am always trying to entertain,
if not anyone else, at least me. and to do that, i have to dispense with
the "in my opinion"s and "with all due respect"s and "probably"s etc.

you seem to recognize me as the rev twenty redlights of other websites.
a long time ago bv banned that name for some reason. i know i piss people
off some time, i don't mean to, i always stay on topic, i never call names
unless i'm called them first, but i still piss people off. mostly for
two reasons i think, for neither of which i am ashamed, and maybe even
proud. 1) i love the stones and i love mick much more than is considered
normal. i am not faking that. i love the stones 50th anniversary celebration
(hell, i kinda invented it a few ago on shidoobee in a famously long post,
right down to what the stage would look like) AND i love super heavy.
it looks very much like i cant have both, so i, after a suitable period
of grieving, come down on the side of what i can have, which is apparently
super heavy. if it changes back to 50, i'll dump super heavy in a flash,
and be crazy for the stones again. 2) i always write speculatively, i always
pretend i know exactly what is going to happen, even though i of course don't.
i could give a fcuk about being right or wrong, all i want is that what i
write is plausible, given the facts that we know right now. when the facts
change, my speculations change. my best defense for this writing style,
which i have detailed before on shidoobee and won't again here, is that
i have had some amazing "hits" with my speculations. i'm a good detective,
but again, i dont do it to be right, i do it to have fun. 3) i know i said
2 but here's 3) i have strong well-reasoned opinions, always well researched.
that don't mean i'm always right, but i work hard to understand what is
going on with the stones and with their fans. again, just because i find
it a fun thing to do.

i dont think i've answered all your questions. i'll post this and then '
re-read what you wrote and see if i should add anything.

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Plus none of the other members of Super Heavy seem to have anything
scheduled for those dates hmmmmm, nor in the days running up to it hmmmmm

When was the last time they actually did have a paying gig?

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

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Rocky Dijon

Serious question now, a couple years ago there were reports that Mick and Joss Stone had covered Hendrix's "Angel" for this project and that Jeff Beck laid down the guitar track. Dave Stewart's recent remarks about having 18 songs sounded like he meant originals that came out of their jam sessions. I'll be curious to see if the Hendrix cover and Jeff Beck are still part of the mix.

Apart from Mick, these aren't icons where audiences are likely to get excited hearing them sing together which would make this project a huge gamble.

but not by making every song a kitschy variety show-style finale like "We Are the World." I'll be curious to see what we get.

a lot of your other questions i feel i have addressed by the videos i
selected to post here, but to sort of synopsize my speculations.
absolutely no jeff beck or naz (another early-on rumoured participant).
they are absolutely making their stand as the furious 5, plus marley's
rhythm section. i take them at their word as to how their music came
into being. the 5 musicians (drums, bass, jagger, raham, stewart)
start banging away, half with each other, half against, until a workable
groove is found, upon which the two lead singers, joss and damien, lay
melodies and raps, at first in scat form, and later with real words.
as the vocalists, they have chief responsibility for the words, but
each can and do consult with the others, especially jagger, about
the words and, especially A.R., about the melodies. jagger, a.r. and
dave also add instrumental melodic flourishes.

these are not rock n roll songs or ballads or blues. these are groove
songs, dance tracks, made for young people, who dont give a shit about
rock n roll or ballads or blues. reggae makes the cut, soul (saadiq-style)
makes the cut, that slumdog indian stuff makes the cut, as well as some '
groove tracks that are not so easy to categorize. if you dont like the
video music i posted, i'm guessing you wont like super heavy. but for
the kids, this will be joss's and damian's band, sexier and more talented
than fergie and will i am, and right up there with emimen and rihanna,
WITH MUCH MORE INTERESTING MUSIC GOING ON BEHIND THEM, not that the kids
really give too much of a shit about that. but if you've got an ear for
music (that is, if you like real saadiq-type soul and reggae and indian
music) there's gonna be some fairly sophisticated layering of instruments
and colors and riffs going on behind and under and through.

another problem a lot of stones fans will have with this music, although
there will be guitars used subtly, it will not be very guitarish music.
sorry.

twenny revlights, have you heard the music Super Heavy has created? if not, how are you in any way in a position to describe it and essentially give us a review of the cd that hasn't made an appearance yet. explain that. have you heard the record? or are you just random dude on the internet posting messages while browsing youtube?

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andy js
The queues to see this lot witll be HUGE

Not.

My speculation: you as SOOOOOOO wrong about that. a.r.raham is one of the
most famous and popular musicians in the world, who can fill stadiums in many
countries all by himself. and unlike here, his people are so proud of him.
i read their 100% support for him and Super Heavy in the comments on his facebook
page. you will be stunned by the size of crowds in india and turkey, etc, just
because of him. not that he doesnt draw big in south america and europe and
the rest of asia too. and joss and damian are really big stars among young
people around the world, and again, their fans are THRILLED that sir mick
is joining up with joss and damien. total respect from them for what mick is
doing, total gratitude. its only stones fans that are still in doubt for
this party.

AND THIS MUCH I AM CERTAIN OF: The more Stones fans support Super Heavy,
the more likely it is that mick will return for one more roll with the
stones. The less, the less. simple as that.

and if any of you have the ear of keith, tell him the same thing. every
negative thing he or you say about super heavy is another nail in
the stones coffin. at the very least, shut up if you don't like it.
don't say "a.r.raham? super heavy? you mean super heavy elephant shit
har har har." say this instead: "I really wish Mick well with
his Super Heavy band, and who knows, hopefully we'll work together
again soon." And then, Keith, start fcuking writing great songs.
That is the absolutely only way you've got a chance to get Mick back.

<< And then, Keith, start fcuking writing great songs.
That is the absolutely only way you've got a chance to get Mick back>>

true dat.

Of course I remembered you, Rev, that's why I stopped giving you grief. Yes, you are a uniquely talented writer and your whole fantasy/reality thing trips in and out of the real world so much that I think many folks (myself included once in awhile) have a tough time keeping up with where you're at. I don't mean difficulty comprehending your thoughts, just whether they are speculative or factual at any given moment. You are thoroughly entertaining and sometimes laugh out loud funny as you intend to be.

At the moment, my focus would be your most recent statement that Joss Stone and Damian Marley are the two lead singers and major lyricists for the band. If this is factual and not your speculation (I'm not wrong in calling your method deductive reasoning, you even describe yourself as a detective), then it changes my view of the project. If you can clarify that, I would appreciate it.

Incidentally, the US Supreme Court's rulings do you no good because Oz's dotted-line ties lead back to England, not the US.

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Rocky Dijon
I don't mean difficulty comprehending your thoughts, just whether they are speculative or factual at any given moment. You are thoroughly entertaining and sometimes laugh out loud funny as you intend to be.

At the moment, my focus would be your most recent statement that Joss Stone and Damian Marley are the two lead singers and major lyricists for the band. If this is factual and not your speculation (I'm not wrong in calling your method deductive reasoning, you even describe yourself as a detective), then it changes my view of the project. If you can clarify that, I would appreciate it.

this is my honest belief (and i think i get it from mick): nothing you
write should ever be completely serious or completely comical, always some
mix according to whim or purpose. i violate that belief by sometimes being
too serious, but i'm working on that. so i'm not gonna change, and keep
pausing to explain myself, so my advice: take everything i say as bullshit,
and then be as pleasantly surprised as i am when it turns out to be true.

about the singing: neither joss nor damian are instrumentalists, so they
gotta sing. and kids dont wannna see wrinkly jagger, they wanna see
joss and damian. plus what a.r. said, he credited himself and dave and
jagger with bringing "musicality" to this project. he credited joss with
bringing "soul singing". he credited damian with bringing "philosophies".

that's more than enough clues for me to spin an entertaining tale.

gnite all.



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Thank you kindly, Reverend.

Memo from Jagger:

You think your love is so divine
You think I'll drink it like it's heaven-scented wine
You think your love is all I crave
You say I'll worship you till I'm in my grave

But when life passed the ball, you played winner takes it all
Act like it's a carnival, some mad conflaguration
I like a two-way street, you live to lie and cheat
I'm voting with my feet, who needs this aggravation

You say your love is all I crave,
and I'm the dog that's had its day
So sad to rain on your parade
But I've got better things to do than be your slave

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twenny revlights
Memo from Jagger:

You think your love is so divine
You think I'll drink it like it's heaven-scented wine
You think your love is all I crave
You say I'll worship you till I'm in my grave

But when life passed the ball, you played winner takes it all
Act like it's a carnival, some mad conflaguration
I like a two-way street, you live to lie and cheat
I'm voting with my feet, who needs this aggravation

You say your love is all I crave,
and I'm the dog that's had its day
So sad to rain on your parade
But I've got better things to do than be your slave

Although I of course know the song, seeing the lyrics in this manner certainly give pause for thought.

I'm one who believes Jagger is pissed (and for good reason) at KR for all the crap in the last 30 years, but in particular the bashing in the book.

They may make up, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't. Mick would indeed be the 'big' man if this public embarrassment all became water under the bridge.

His cool handling of all this, and electrifying Grammies performance have certainly increased my respect for him.

Watching Keith shill the softcover version of his book on Jimmy Fallon on the other hand, with the cheap anecdotes and jokes, was rather excrutiating by comparison.

What one critic called the "candied resentment" in Jagger's lyrics has been a welcome fixture since the mid-1960s. It's easy to speculate this song was written because of LIFE, but the lyrics to the half-dozen new tracks for EXILE were written in Summer 2009. Not very likely that it had anything to do with the "tiny todger" remark.

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Rocky Dijon
Not very likely that it had anything to do with the "tiny todger" remark.

I think it has absolutely nothing to do with the todger remark. Mick approved
the publication of the todger remark. Just so the world could get a better
idea of who he had to deal with, and why he was walking away from the Stones
and aborting the 50th anniversary victory "parade". because he was sick of
dealing with Keith and sick of dealing with the Stones fans. In general.
For now anyway. what happens in year 51 is yet to be determined. as i've
said it will significantly hinge on how keith and stones fans react to
Super Heavy. Keith doesn't have to like it, but he has to be respectful.
but there will definitley be no stones show in 2011 or 2012. Take it to the
bank. its too late for "i like bigger bang" threads. it's too late for
keith to claim he's a workaholic when it comes to music. its too late.

ROCKMAN

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zakly

Speaking of diversity, look at their ages lol! 24, 32, 45, 58, and 67!

Bingo!

And now, a quick round-up of Super Heavy news and opinion
for May 26, 2011:

1) There was a brief discussion here about how big a star
Damian Marley was or wasn't. Well, there are five uploads
of Welcome to Jamrock on youtube, with a total of over
20 million viewings. Compare that to the most-viewed Stones
video, Angie, at less than 13 million. No, Damian can not
sell as many high-priced tickets as the Stones, but that should
not be confused with popularity, or the ability to sell or
provoke downloads.

(the whole of this message will not post, so i'll try
breaking it up)

2) Speaking of Welcome to Jamrock, the lyrics I posted earlier
apparently contain an interesting mistake. The repeated melodic
theme, published nearly everywhere as "Out on the street they
call it murder" should actually be "merther" not "murder".
Urban dictionary: Merther. West Indian. Denotes the sensations
produced by smoking marijuana while listening to dub reggae.
The merging and distortion of sense impressions that occurs
during cannibonoid trance.

Here's a strange video...





2 1 2 0

3) One of the things Joss Stone became somewhat notorious for
was an interview she gave in 2008: ""I think piracy is great, I love it",
claiming that she believes music should be shared, and the business
attached to music is the only thing she dislikes about it. She went on
to say, "I don't care how you hear it, as long as you hear it".
Her new record, produced by Dave Stewart, entitled LP1, comes out
at the end of July, as the first release from her own record company,
Stone'd. Check it out!

4) Definitely worthy of a quick mention is Mama Stone's in Exeter:
Live Music – Bar – Mexican Restaurant - Recording Studios and
Artist Development center, run by Joss's mom and stepdad.
Wendy Joseph (aka Mama Stone) : Co-writer of the Grammy
nominated worldwide hit ‘You Had Me’ Wendy has enjoyed writing
with many artists and producers, including Joss, Betty wright and
Alexandra Burke. Jonathan Joseph: two time Grammy award winning
musician and Sound engineer. Principle Instrument – Drums.

5) One of benefits of being crazy is that you hear things. In my
case, after immersing myself in joss's and damian's and a.r.'s
music, it all starts mashing up in my head and i literally start
to hear the Super Heavy record, not clear as a bell, but more like
if you heard it last week at a party but didnt own it but remembered
it somewhat. Other helpful tracks for this hear-it-in-your-own-head mashup
are Rain Fall Down and Hideaway. And this speaks to a bigger
issue and my sermon for today: WHY ITS GREAT TO BE ME AND
SUCKS TO BE YOU. Think about it. I'm in full party mode now,
listening to Super Heavy. And what's the worst than can happen?
That I'm wrong about what it sounds like? So what? Then when I
get the real thing, I leave this party here and go to that new party.
So while most of you are just grumping along in your silk-upholstered
chairs, I'm gonna be at two great extended parties, happy as can be.
Nah, fcuk sane, give me crazy anyday.



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twenny revlights, how much are they paying you?

Since we played a pivotal role in killing The Rolling Stones, why can't we do the same to Super Heavy?

I'm not talking about not buying it in droves which already happened with ALFIE and THE VERY BEST OF MICK JAGGER (although I'm sure most of us bought both). I mean if we disparage Super Heavy and you say it will doom the chances of future Stones work (never mind the fact that Keith's "Dogshit in the Doorway" remark and the general slagging Mick's fourth solo album received from fans online did nothing whatsoever to stop the LICKS tour or A BIGGER BANG) what can we do to make sure Super Heavy dies as well? We do have the power, right? That is the entire premise of your "Sympathy For Keith" with the line, "I shouted out who killed The Rolling Stones when after all it was you and me?"

What can we do to make Mick so apathetic he can't even find the energy to get up out of bed in the morning for fear of what might be written on IORR? For that matter, do we have the same magic power with each other or is it limited to Mick? Religions always confuse me. MitchFlorida, Colonial, and Twenny Revlights have all taken hits here, fair or foul but it didn't discourage them (nor should it) so why is Mick different?

As always, there are real questions mixed in me taking the Mickey out of you.

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twenny revlights, how much are they paying you?

you know what i think is bizarre? i think it is bizarre
that when you go to a fan site that the only person who
acts like a fan is regarded as bizarre.

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ineedadrink
twenny revlights, how much are they paying you?

you know what i think is bizarre? i think it is bizarre
that when you go to a fan site that the only person who
acts like a fan is regarded as bizarre.

i'm not questioning your level of fanaticism, i'm questioning your extreme level of promotion. it's one thing to be excited about something but it's another thing to basically tell us the life story of each member of the group and how awesome they are and blah blah blah. the past few days you have been doing nothing but promoting this project and everyone around it. what gives? it's almost as if you have financial stock on this project and you need it to succeed.

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Since we played a pivotal role in killing The Rolling Stones, why can't we do the same to Super Heavy?

i think you have hit your head right on the nail!

because my point is that this time mick has chosen a project the success
of which is completely independent of stones fans, unlike a solo album.
if zero stones fans get into Super Heavy, it will hardly be noticed,
so much is the power of the fans of the other four. how's that for smart?
talking about mick, not me. I mean, mick wants y'all to enjoy his new
thing, but if you don't, you don't. there will be plenty of superheavy fans,
at a minimum way way more than y'all think.

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it's almost as if you have financial stock on this project and you need it to succeed.

i see your point, and maybe i should cool it, but its kinda fun to play
this version of me up against the (in my view) extremely weird indifference
of most stones fans. if i'm weird, its only because y'all are weirder.

you don't have to cool it. i was just merely inquiring about the nature of your promotional messages, that's all. i found it suspicious and made me think you were working for Universal or something. if you want to continue going nuts about this project, then go for it. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

To be fair, Rev, I think the sarcastic remarks are because your focus is not so much on Mick but on Joss Stone, Damian Marley, and A. R. Rahmann. Fair or not, you've given the impression that Mick has taken a backseat to three individuals who hold precious little interest to Stones fans since they're not...you know...Rolling Stones. Added to it the fact that you continue to treat this not as a side project by Mick but something that has replaced the Stones. Consequently, you should probably expect a fair amount of negative reactions on a Stones fan board.

Look at it this way. If in early 1996 when VH1 aired Anthony DeCurtis' special with Keith about the Wingless Angels project which he had just recorded in Jamaica, if IORR had existed online and someone started posting Justin Hinds clips from Youtube by the dozen and going on about how Mick and Stones fans didn't appreciate Keith's talents enough so he was happily taking a backseat role with Wingless Angels and if Mick and Stones fans didn't support Wingless Angels, then VOODOO LOUNGE would stand as The Last Time Ever and it was all our fault (and Mick's) because only the poster understood Keith and loved him as much as Keith loved Stones fans despite his broken heart. Added to it, without hearing a note of Wingless Angels, if the poster then continued to obsess on the group imagining how Wingless Angels might very well be the band that transforms our world and unites kids and senior citizens alike because of their street cred and the unstoppable dance rhythms to the point where people felt a thread of interest about Keith's side project had turned into the WINGLESS ANGELS message board, the poster would probably be open to some ridicule and worst of all would have done much to alienate the board against Wingless Angels when prior to this they greeted it with some interest, just obviously not the same amount that the Stones or even another Keith solo album would have garnered. Does that make sense to you because I think that's what's happened here.

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ineedadrink
you don't have to cool it. i was just merely inquiring about the nature of your promotional messages, that's all. i found it suspicious and made me think you were working for Universal or something.

sorry, i thought you were teasing about the universal/promotional thing.
if i knew it was a serious question, i would have given a serious
answer. because i thought they were shopping for a label. do you know
for certain that they'll be on universal?

The article from Cannes where Mick and Victoria Pearman discussed the band stated Universal was releasing the album in September. Since then various crap articles have said everything from they're shopping labels to they've already filmed a music video. I think the truth is it is with Universal and will be out in September.

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Look at it this way.

Hmmm, lotza interesting issues in your message. But most of them are
adequately addressed by 4 points: 1) this is the Super Heavy thread, one of
about fifty active threads on IORR, and i've kept off all the other ones
related to what mick is or isnt doing right now, even though i think a lot
of dumb shit is being said on those threads, i've left it alone. so i
aint dominating shit. i'm just as usual the preacher on the corner ranting
like a crazy man. feel free to walk by and pay no attention. 2) this
is the super Heavy Thread on the biggest rolling stones fan site in the world,
and i am maybe the only person terrifically excited about what a very
important member of the stones is doing. if there was a hundred super
heavy fans around, i probably wouldnt be saying a thing. 3) super heavy
is already GUARANTEED to fail with stones fans, so don't think i don't
know that. its one of my primary premises in acting like i'm acting
4) this is the superheavy thread and i think theyre really cool and i dont
care what my mom and dad think, i think they're cool, especially joss
and damian.