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Rockman
Geeeeeeeeeeez here's hoping Mr Chops don't read some of this Dead stuff
or else he'll be playin' pocket-billiards with himself for a friggin' month!!!
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No Expectations
1) Hippie Dancing?? A further expression of your stereotyping attitude
2) Keith....he was killed in a car accident...another example of your ignorance!
3) Yes I do
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Palace Revolution 2000
I feel like I am supposed to like Jerry Nolan; a hipness thing. But I have to admit (and I hate it) that I think he is a lousy drummer. Even scarier is that he replaced Billy Murcia, and was considered lightyears better than him; how bad was Billy Murcia then?
But no one probably cares about that story.
Two people I really don't like are Rory Gallagher and Johnny Winter. And I have tried.
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Rockman
Geeeeeeeeeeez here's hoping Mr Chops don't read some of this Dead stuff
or else he'll be playin' pocket-billiards with himself for a friggin' month!!!
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Palace Revolution 2000
I feel like I am supposed to like Jerry Nolan; a hipness thing. But I have to admit (and I hate it) that I think he is a lousy drummer. Even scarier is that he replaced Billy Murcia, and was considered lightyears better than him; how bad was Billy Murcia then?
But no one probably cares about that story.
Two people I really don't like are Rory Gallagher and Johnny Winter. And I have tried.
To a certain generation of music fans in Ireland, Rory Gallagher has something of a godlike status. I seem to be one of the few atheists.
Dont get me wrong. His qualities as a musician go without saying - he was brilliant. Great performer too, by all accounts. And a wonderful human being. He pretty much kept the live music scene in Northern Ireland alive single handedly in the 70s when few acts would set foot in the place. For that reason alone, there should be statues erected to him.
I just dont think he made good records.
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Palace Revolution 2000
I feel like I am supposed to like Jerry Nolan; a hipness thing. But I have to admit (and I hate it) that I think he is a lousy drummer. Even scarier is that he replaced Billy Murcia, and was considered lightyears better than him; how bad was Billy Murcia then?
But no one probably cares about that story.
Two people I really don't like are Rory Gallagher and Johnny Winter. And I have tried.
To a certain generation of music fans in Ireland, Rory Gallagher has something of a godlike status. I seem to be one of the few atheists.
Dont get me wrong. His qualities as a musician go without saying - he was brilliant. Great performer too, by all accounts. And a wonderful human being. He pretty much kept the live music scene in Northern Ireland alive single handedly in the 70s when few acts would set foot in the place. For that reason alone, there should be statues erected to him.
I just dont think he made good records.
You can hear Billy Murcia play the drums on some of the demos -- for example Lipstick Killers: The Mercer Street Sessions -- the Dolls recorded before their first album. And yes: he might not be the greatest drummer ever OR at times even adequate. It is, well, the opposite of "virtuous" (or "tight", for that matter).Quote
Palace Revolution 2000
I feel like I am supposed to like Jerry Nolan; a hipness thing. But I have to admit (and I hate it) that I think he is a lousy drummer. Even scarier is that he replaced Billy Murcia, and was considered lightyears better than him; how bad was Billy Murcia then?
But no one probably cares about that story.
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Palace Revolution 2000
I feel like I am supposed to like Jerry Nolan; a hipness thing. But I have to admit (and I hate it) that I think he is a lousy drummer. Even scarier is that he replaced Billy Murcia, and was considered lightyears better than him; how bad was Billy Murcia then?
But no one probably cares about that story.
Two people I really don't like are Rory Gallagher and Johnny Winter. And I have tried.
To a certain generation of music fans in Ireland, Rory Gallagher has something of a godlike status. I seem to be one of the few atheists.
Dont get me wrong. His qualities as a musician go without saying - he was brilliant. Great performer too, by all accounts. And a wonderful human being. He pretty much kept the live music scene in Northern Ireland alive single handedly in the 70s when few acts would set foot in the place. For that reason alone, there should be statues erected to him.
I just dont think he made good records.
I think I know what you mean. I have fond memories of seeing him 'live' in Belfast and London, but there are quite a few problems with his discography. The albums with electric piano sound a bit... how do I put this... crap. All his albums are too long (52, 54 minutes), if you've heard one you've heard them all, and the bassist and drummer were average at best.
One of the strangest revelations after his death was finding out that Bob Dylan owned a copy of every record Rory ever made. He obviously hears something I don't.
After 40 years of listening to all sorts of music - unbelievably even to a friend of mine last night - that is the first time I've heard the Grateful Dead and as they made the girl @ 2.52 dance like that I have to say I like it.....................and even the guy @ 3.05 had a sort of contagious bliss about him.........Not quite Ian Dury & the Blockheads for a sublime groove but pretty decent swing-a-long............Quote
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His Majesty
poor songs and shallow showmanship.
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71Tele
It is an observation. I find their music uninteresting and the Jerry-worship and mythologizing hypocritical and silly.
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It is an observation. I find their music uninteresting and the Jerry-worship and mythologizing hypocritical and silly.
kind of an odd thing to read. by extension, then, it would be hypocritical and silly to worship, say, Mick Taylor (or the Stones in general) if one found his/their music uninteresting. right?
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It is an observation. I find their music uninteresting and the Jerry-worship and mythologizing hypocritical and silly.
kind of an odd thing to read. by extension, then, it would be hypocritical and silly to worship, say, Mick Taylor (or the Stones in general) if one found his/their music uninteresting. right?
1. I don't "worship" anyone whose music I enjoy.
2. The Deadhead phenomenon is a unique one, and I was commenting on that in particular.
The main point of all of this is that Garcia was a much darker and more complex person than the soulful, joyful hippie-God that his followers made of him. It Takes nothing away from his music or his talent. I just don't believe in worshiping entertainers or artists, yes, even the ones I really love like Lennon, Dylan and Richards. Any criticism of Deadhead culture seems to be met with hysteria. This thread is about sacred cows, and the Dead and Garcia are among the most sacred.
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I'm with Palace about Johnny Winter. I enjoy his slide playing but geez...he has one of the worst, affected voice ever.
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It is an observation. I find their music uninteresting and the Jerry-worship and mythologizing hypocritical and silly.
kind of an odd thing to read. by extension, then, it would be hypocritical and silly to worship, say, Mick Taylor (or the Stones in general) if one found his/their music uninteresting. right?
1. I don't "worship" anyone whose music I enjoy.
2. The Deadhead phenomenon is a unique one, and I was commenting on that in particular.
The main point of all of this is that Garcia was a much darker and more complex person than the soulful, joyful hippie-God that his followers made of him. It Takes nothing away from his music or his talent. I just don't believe in worshiping entertainers or artists, yes, even the ones I really love like Lennon, Dylan and Richards. Any criticism of Deadhead culture seems to be met with hysteria. This thread is about sacred cows, and the Dead and Garcia are among the most sacred.
i'm a big dead fan and i know many others - but i would not describe any of them as worshippers, no more so than i would describe fans of the stones as worshippers. i think you are taking this a bit far. being a fan is not tantamount to being a worshipper...it denigrates an entire community to suggest otherwise.
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well, then i deny (your) reality....
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well, then i deny (your) reality....
So, you're saying there was no such thing as the Deadhead phenomenon? And that it didn't have ethos and characteristics particular to a community that went beyond being merely fans of a group? That would be odd, as the people who described themselves as Deadheads, and who followed the band, etc. were always happy to point out how unique their community was. That is the reality I was talking about.
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well, then i deny (your) reality....
So, you're saying there was no such thing as the Deadhead phenomenon? And that it didn't have ethos and characteristics particular to a community that went beyond being merely fans of a group? That would be odd, as the people who described themselves as Deadheads, and who followed the band, etc. were always happy to point out how unique their community was. That is the reality I was talking about.
of course there was a community. a pretty large one...much of it still exists. i deny that there is/was any particular deification of jerry as a central component of that community and phenomenon. that's where you lose me. most of the "deadheads" that I know have a pretty level head concerning jerry. wonderful guitarist, occasionally effective singer and songwriter....
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well, then i deny (your) reality....
So, you're saying there was no such thing as the Deadhead phenomenon? And that it didn't have ethos and characteristics particular to a community that went beyond being merely fans of a group? That would be odd, as the people who described themselves as Deadheads, and who followed the band, etc. were always happy to point out how unique their community was. That is the reality I was talking about.
of course there was a community. a pretty large one...much of it still exists. i deny that there is/was any particular deification of jerry as a central component of that community and phenomenon. that's where you lose me. most of the "deadheads" that I know have a pretty level head concerning jerry. wonderful guitarist, occasionally effective singer and songwriter....
OK, I do see your point (really). But many of the accounts written about Garcia do discuss the difference between the image his fans have of him and the actual man (especially in his later years). And these were written by people who were fans or had great respect for his talent.
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and I think if he hadn't died he'd have about half the fans he does now.
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Palace Revolution 2000
I feel like I am supposed to like Jerry Nolan; a hipness thing. But I have to admit (and I hate it) that I think he is a lousy drummer. Even scarier is that he replaced Billy Murcia, and was considered lightyears better than him; how bad was Billy Murcia then?
But no one probably cares about that story.
Two people I really don't like are Rory Gallagher and Johnny Winter. And I have tried.
To a certain generation of music fans in Ireland, Rory Gallagher has something of a godlike status. I seem to be one of the few atheists.
Dont get me wrong. His qualities as a musician go without saying - he was brilliant. Great performer too, by all accounts. And a wonderful human being. He pretty much kept the live music scene in Northern Ireland alive single handedly in the 70s when few acts would set foot in the place. For that reason alone, there should be statues erected to him.
I just dont think he made good records.
I think I know what you mean. I have fond memories of seeing him 'live' in Belfast and London, but there are quite a few problems with his discography. The albums with electric piano sound a bit... how do I put this... crap. All his albums are too long (52, 54 minutes), if you've heard one you've heard them all, and the bassist and drummer were average at best.
One of the strangest revelations after his death was finding out that Bob Dylan owned a copy of every record Rory ever made. He obviously hears something I don't.